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[mehrmantrout]

You don't think you'll leave? Was this whole referendum just an alternative timeline comic event for you?

Lol, why are all the European Gaffers getting so angry As has been shown the whole thing was a suicide mission by Cameron with Boris and Gove pinning there hopes on it being a narrow remain

No one has the political will to trigger an exit

 

[Kadayi]

Did you watch the Tony Blair interview - if you did, he said what he thinks will happen, and no other politician has said anything contrary, yet.

You'll have to forgive but as a general rule, I don't put much stock in the opinions of mass murdering war criminals. Least of all ones with a spectacularly poor track record of being on the right side of history.

Time will tell.

That, at least we can agree on.

 

[Breakage]

So is it pretty much a given that the London's financial services industry will be moving out over the next few years?

 

[ferrasvansen]

It is a good time to get politically active if you are not already.

I will be joining the Conservative party on Monday, so I can exercise at least some influence for the greater good. Already a registered supporter of Labour ditto ditto.

Hope they don't read this and both of them chuck me out.

I'm joining the SNP, my labour membership of 20 plus years will lapse.

 

[Hasney]

It is a good time to get politically active if you are not already.

I will be joining the Conservative party on Monday, so I can exercise at least some influence for the greater good. Already a registered supporter of Labour ditto ditto.

Hope they don't read this and both of them chuck me out.

Heh @ the last line.

But totally agree with your main point. I've not been fully engaged for a while as I got a little downbeat campaigning in my home town, but registering with Labour for a leadership vote and possibly help the Lib Dems since they're hanging their hat on ignoring the referendum and keeping us in the EU.

 

[Rodelero]

It is a good time to get politically active if you are not already.

I will be joining the Conservative party on Monday, so I can exercise at least some influence for the greater good. Already a registered supporter of Labour ditto ditto.

Hope they don't read this and both of them chuck me out.

If people in the Tory/Labour admin have time to read Gaf, we're even more screwed than I previously thought.

 

[cyberheater]

YPoint to the common ground that you believe exists. There isn't any.

I could point to our language and shared heritage. That is a start.

 

[Orniletter]

the US will make sure the UK doesn't get shitted on in trade negotiations.

Obama almost literally said that negotiations with the UK would have to wait because there are more important deals to make (like the one with the EU).

This notion that everyone has to bow done and be grateful to make deals with the shadow of the great british empire, which just torpedoed one of it's most important economy branches and might loose Scotland, is ignorant babbling rooted in...nothing ?

Look, Merkel and Obama/Clinton won't be cruel just for the sake of it. But there is no way whatever terms the UK ends up with will compare to how good it was as a full member* for them before.

*that had one hell of a deal, compared to the rest, in the first place

 

[twobear]

Not necessarily.

Edit: This is worth a read. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom–United_States_relations

The modern 'special relationship' draws a lot of its strength from the fact that the UK was the most 'US-like' country that was part of the EU, which meant that there was always a voice in the EU that at least roughly reflected whatever the US's views would be on any particular issue.

I could point to our language and shared heritage. That is a start.

That's barely anything.

 

[Tyaren]

 

[Hasney]

If people in the Tory/Labour admin have time to read Gaf, we're even more screwed than I previously thought.

Fortunately for phisheep, the Snoopers Charter isn't law yet.

 

[VivaciousSoul]

You mean people have different political affinities?

That's not unusual and is actually quite healthy.

This seems like a new level though. Not fight and get over it with some compromise here and there but tear the country apart. Let the union burn, we didn't really care for it anyway. Of course practicality trumps formality but wow.

 

[ferrasvansen]

Obama almost literally said that negotiations with the UK would have to wait because there are more important deals to make (like the one with the EU).

This notion that everyone has to bow done and be grateful to make deals with the shadow of the great british empire, which just torpedoed one of it's most important economy branches and might loose Scotland, is ignorant babbling rooted in...nothing ?

Look, Merkel and Obama/Clinton won't be cruel just for the sake of it. But there is no way whatever terms the UK ends up with will compare to how good it was as a full member* for them before.

*that had one hell of a deal, compared to the rest, in the first place

Yeah white house confirmed after vote, UK goes to the back of the queue, have no choice really or alienate bigger markets and trade areas.

 

[RedSparrows]

The modern 'special relationship' draws a lot of its strength from the fact that the UK was the most 'US-like' country that was part of the EU, which meant that there was always a voice in the EU that at least roughly reflected whatever the US's views would be on any particular issue.



That's barely anything.

'Vote for change... we won!... Oh, things won't change much, nps!'

 

[kmag]

It's a matter for Westminster, not devolved government. Neither Holyrood nor Stormont can block this

We'd have to accept the removal of the European communities act as its a fundamental part of the legislation of the devolved assemblies ( you know the thing we voted for in our referendum in 98)

Under the Sewell convention Westminster should not enact legislation on reserved matters they can of course but congratulations you've just shattered the notion and concept of devolved assembly and we'll tell you to go fuck yourselves and ask who's back garden you want four trident subs dumped before you even get Royal assent

 

[Flintty]

The modern 'special relationship' draws a lot of its strength from the fact that the UK was the most 'US-like' country that was part of the EU, which meant that there was always a voice in the EU that at least roughly reflected whatever the US's views would be on any particular issue.

Yes and no. I've seen first hand UK/US coalition which will continue even if we do leave the EU. Economically it has been useful for us to be in, I agree but nothing will change with regards to bilateral defence agreements between the two.

 

[DBT85]

I can't see how you could get away with ignoring the will of the British people. I really just can't see that happening.

In the fullness of time, at the appropriate juncture, etc etc.

If you stand up and tell the British people that the deal for us leaving the EU and maintaining trade is free movement of people, free trade, adhering to all the rules of the EU but just not having a say in any of it, they won't much mind staying in.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

It is a good time to get politically active if you are not already.

I will be joining the Conservative party on Monday, so I can exercise at least some influence for the greater good. Already a registered supporter of Labour ditto ditto.

Hope they don't read this and both of them chuck me out.

yeah, i'll be joining the SNP

 

[jimbobsmells]

It looks like the hysterical lies of the remain side got under the skin of a few here as well.

What lies specifically?

 

[Bold One]

Can Sturgeon actually block this? Legally I mean, because if she can, thats a huge card up her sleeve against the Tories and Boris, like some Yu Gi Oh Dark Magician shit.

 

[phisheep]

Why? Are you really that motivated to help the country after this?

Now more than ever. The country needs my help. I am ready at this hour of need to bow to the overwhelming demand .....

Hmmm. Was that Churchill or Yes, Minister?

But honestly, yes, of course. You think I should roll over and give up? No way.

 

[zpiders]

I'd like to believe this,but we've just destabilised the entire Eurozone. I don't think any country has ever been expelled from the EU, but if by some politicking we don't come out the EU, it will be dependent on concessions on the UK side certainly.

Maybe the reality is we won't actually leave, but partway through the process we re-negotiate our standing.

Your living on the moon if you think the EU is going to kick the UK out. This is the same EU that has fought tooth and nail to keep a basket case like Greece IN the EU.

 

[womfalcs3]

I could point to our language and shared heritage. That is a start.

Everyone speaks English nowadays.

 

[oti]

Lol, why are all the European Gaffers getting so angry As has been shown the whole thing was a suicide mission by Cameron with Boris and Gove pinning there hopes on it being a narrow remain

No one has the political will to trigger an exit

The EU is not to be taken hostage over British political games.

 

[cyberheater]

That's barely anything.

I hope it's a good start. I have to remain positive.

 

[kharma45]

We'd have to accept the removal of the European communities act as its a fundamental part of the legislation of the devolved assemblies ( you know the thing we voted for in our referendum in 98)

Under the Sewell convention Westminster should not enact legislation on reserved matters they can of course but congratulations you've just shattered the notion and concept of devolved assembly and we'll tell you to go fuck yourselves and ask who's back garden you want four trident subs dumped before you even get Royal assent

That's what's going to cause issues. Constitutional convention takes the form of a political as opposed to a legally binding undertaking. As I said on the previous page Westminster has before pressed ahead and ignored devolved administration's wishes with Wales and actually lost in the courts.

 

[Kabouter]

Yes and no. I've seen first hand UK/US coalition which will continue even if we do leave the EU. Economically it has been useful for us to be in, I agree but nothing will change with regards to bilateral defence agreements between the two.

I agree nothing will change with regards to those, but the relationship will likely decline somewhat in importance for America. Consider for instance the help Britain has been within the EU in securing sanctions against Russia. If the UK is no longer able to help on matters like that, America will likely value the relationship less.

 

[twobear]

Yes and no. I've seen first hand UK/US coalition which will continue even if we do leave the EU. Economically it has been useful for us to be in, I agree but nothing will change with regards to bilateral defence agreements between the two.

Sure, the US isn't going to break off every arrangement between us just because we left the EU. But no matter how way you cut it, there's going to be less interest in a non-EU UK in Washington than there is in a EU UK. How could there not be? The UK just willingly gave up a huge cache of influence in major world political decisions.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

Now more than ever. The country needs my help. I am ready at this hour of need to bow to the overwhelming demand .....

Hmmm. Was that Churchill or Yes, Minister?

But honestly, yes, of course. You think I should roll over and give up? No way.

Yes. Let Rome burn.

 

[cormack12]

Your living on the moon if you think the EU is going to kick the UK out......

It's a good job that's not what I was saying then.......

 

[ferrasvansen]

That's what's going to cause issues. Constitutional convention takes the form of a political as opposed to a legally binding undertaking. As I said on the previous page Westminster has before pressed ahead and ignored devolved administration's wishes with Wales and actually lost in the courts.

No wonder Cameron quit, absolute calamity incoming. Fights in court, alienation of various UK countries, Economic worry and difficulty and god only knows what else. No wonder nobody is queueing up to be PM.

 

[KonradLaw]

the US will make sure the UK doesn't get shitted on in trade negotiations.

Lol...suuure they will. No matter that after years of negotiations USA can't even get the trade deal they want with EU, but they will surely make the one for UK being accepted easily.

And no matter giving good deal to UK would only encourage EU collapse, which is the last thing USA wants. Or have you forgotten how much against Brexit USA was?

It's pure fantasy to think UK will get some uber sweet trade deal with EU, no matter if USA will get involved or not. Any deal that gives plenty of benefits to UK will cost UK an arm and leg.

 

[MCN]

Hell, people look at me strangely if I offer a friendly "Hello" and I'm as IC1 as they come.

You live in the south?

 

[Aki-at]

Why? Are you really that motivated to help the country after this?

Yeah between the last two general elections and the last two referendums I just can't get excited to be involved in politics.

I was definitely energised after my first vote ended with a defeat but several years little I just have to accept that my mentality isn't aligned with the majority of the people.

 

[GamerMax73]

because the UK is one of our most important strategic allies.

Whats that got to do with trade negotiations between the UK and, well, anyone else really (even the US)? Seriously we're not leaving NATO or stepping down from the UN Security Council. Nobodies demanding the US troops are removed from their UK bases. The US has no power or influence over a trade deal between the UK and EU.

 

[phisheep]

Yes. Let Rome burn.

Really? And I'm supposed to be the old guy who doesn't care about the future I suppose.

 

[Ashes]

Lies, erm they were predictions and it's only been a few days since the vote, let's see what happens in 10 years before you decide if those predictions were lies.

Actually, the UK will be fine in 10 years time regarding our relationship with the EU. Much of the uncertainty will be resolved and if we're worse off, we'll just have to deal with it.

The UK faces bigger underlying problems that are fundamentally problematic - aging population, productivity, global warming.

I disagree with superstar investor Neil Woodford, but he knows more about the world markets than I do. And even he said this eu crisis will be dwarfed by coming challenges. "a challenging world, characterised by low growth, deflation, debt problems, weak productivity and troubling demographics.'

 

[twobear]

I hope it's a good start. I have to remain positive.

Okay let me rephrase the question.

Is there any common ground that is directly relevant to the pertaining issue (that the country is divided down the middle on a major question of our future) about which we can meet?

I'm genuinely beginning to wonder whether division into two countries might be for the best in England going forward.

 

[jimbobsmells]

Yes. Let Rome burn.

Yup. Learnt the hard way that you just can't help those who won't help themselves. I'm done voting against my interests going forward. Fuck 'em.

 

[Ashes]

Really? And I'm supposed to be the old guy who doesn't care about the future I suppose.

ha!

 

[PackAPunchedMick]

If there is one thing thats come from the exit from the EU is that its shown Nicola Sturgeons true colours, A hater of all things English, its borderline racist.

Horrible, vile woman

 

[Boy Wander]

No wonder Cameron quit, absolute calamity incoming. Fights in court, alienation of various UK countries, Economic worry and difficulty and god only knows what else. No wonder nobody is queueing up to be PM.

A big problem that I hadn't thought about until I saw it on TV was the sheer number of bills that will need to be passed in parliament. There's no room for anything else. This is going to dominate Queens speeches for years. Good luck with that.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

 

[RedShift]

If one thing thats come from the exit from the EU is that its shown Nicola Sturgeons true colours, A hater of all things English, its borderline racist.

Horrible, vile woman

Is this a joke?

 

[Sax1031]

Obama almost literally said that negotiations with the UK would have to wait because there are more important deals to make (like the one with the EU).

yea and Obama was lying to scare monger the UK citizens into voting remain.

the UK isn't getting pushed to the back of the line in trade negotiations.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

If one thing thats come from the exit from the EU is that its shown Nicola Sturgeons true colours, A hater of all things English, its borderline racist.

Horrible, vile woman

I can't believe you are for real

 

[Hasney]

If there is one thing thats come from the exit from the EU is that its shown Nicola Sturgeons true colours, A hater of all things English, its borderline racist.

Horrible, vile woman

Oh, so you're not to be taken seriouisly. Good to know

 

[SymbiantXenos]

If one thing thats come from the exit from the EU is that its shown Nicola Sturgeons true colours, A hater of all things English, its borderline racist.

Horrible, vile woman

Seriously??

Im English and that comment if flat out wrong.

 

[Auctopus]

Yeah between the last two general elections and the last two referendums I just can't get excited to be involved in politics.

Yeah, same. Mob rules and I don't feel mentally or politically aligned with this country anymore. I felt like in the late 90s and early 2000s there was some sort of shared spirit or at least mentality but whatever was there feels gone now.

It's just ignorance, laziness and threats. There'll be so much class divide and possibly age divide over the next several years. I've seen so many statuses like "Fuck holding the door open for old people or giving them my seat on the bus" - I'm not saying they're right but that line of thinking will only spread.

 

[ferrasvansen]

A big problem that I hadn't thought about until I saw it on TV was the sheer number of bills that will need to be passed in parliament. There's no room for anything else. This is going to dominate Queens speeches for years. Good luck with that.

Yep nothing else will get done, holidays and longer parliament sitting times will need to be looked at.