EverydayBeast
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Avengers Endgame (SPOILER THREAD)
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EverydayBeast
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Killing off Iron Man is so odd to me and now MCU needs a clear direction where they want to go with this still incredible roster, the pattern shows BIG, standalone movies will create some direction so I'm not worried.
MetalAlien
Banned
End Game almost feels like two movies. The one the Russos had in mind and then the feminist manifesto that Disney insisted they include. You can almost see them trying to work it all in and move on to the real story. Like "Yes yes Disney we'll include that scene but you have to let of do this...." and so on.
I mean think about it. They emasculated and humiliated the two strongest male superheros. Turned Hulk into MetroHulk. Turned Thor literally into the Big Lebowski... Killed off Stark, and sent Captain America back in the past where his straight white male thinking belongs!
That is not even counting CM or the united groan from all the female superheros as they sync up their menstrual cycle and combine forces to become feminism incarnate!
Teletraan1
Banned
I really liked how they brought in some of the cast from Agent Carter. I really liked that show and it was good to see Jarvis and Peggy back. Does that make Agent Carter that was snuffed out after two seasons the only TV Marvel show to have its existence referenced in the movies?
HoodWinked
Member
The girl power scene wasnt so bad since it's a callback to a similar scene in infinity war but ya as if captain overpowered would need help from some plebs is the greater leap of logic. Also I just can't get over how stupid the BP character with pringles cans on her hands is.
But what a hugely satisfying ending to phase 3. Also relieved that captain marvel didnt ruin the film as her role was quite minimal.
Pretty insane though felt like alot of people were predicting whether it would be ironman or captian america that would die at the end but they kind of both did.
But what a hugely satisfying ending to phase 3. Also relieved that captain marvel didnt ruin the film as her role was quite minimal.
Pretty insane though felt like alot of people were predicting whether it would be ironman or captian america that would die at the end but they kind of both did.
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Teletraan1
Banned
It was so refreshing to finally see a superhero that looked like me. Seeing Thor slay the day really made me feel empowered.
TacosNSalsa
Member
Okay , I haven't seen the movie yet just bits and pieces and don't care about spoilers (duh I'm in here!) so I wanted to ask how did Tony get the gems from Thanos ? I didn't see how he did it . It's kind of a nod to how he lost in the comics , where he had the gauntlet taken from him while he was "distracted" to put it very simply ..
trikster40
Member
Wow, just got out, absolutely loved it. Phenomenal end to the MCU journey thus far.
Question: who was the boy riding his bike in Scott Lang’s neighborhood? Not sure if he was anyone significant or just a random boy. I know who the kid was at the end.
Question: who was the boy riding his bike in Scott Lang’s neighborhood? Not sure if he was anyone significant or just a random boy. I know who the kid was at the end.
trikster40
Member
They out the stones in an Iron Man gauntlet. Thanks put it on, and then Tony used his nano suit to switch gauntlets with Thanos.
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iorek21
Member
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Infinity Gauntlet supposed to be a very powerful artifact?
The fact that Stark managed to build a new gauntlet with that nano tech nonsense seems to me a little... mundane??
Also, WTH? Infinity Gauntlets are so common now that he used another one on his fist in case he needed it?
Err...
The fact that Stark managed to build a new gauntlet with that nano tech nonsense seems to me a little... mundane??
Also, WTH? Infinity Gauntlets are so common now that he used another one on his fist in case he needed it?
Err...
longdi
Banned
One thing that Kevin Fergie failed to do so far, is to have power levels charted out clearly.
Yes MCU has been a fun ride, nice pandering, but a little mundane when it comes to where do each heroes stand at. Except CM. She is boringly OP.
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protonion
Member
Best scene in the movie.
Final battle spoilers
Final battle spoilers
Duallusion
Member
:/
(**SPOILERS AHEAD**)
- Whoever complained about the pacing was right on the money. Infinity War was paced almost to perfection, this was not - not even close.
- Same goes for the tone - all over the place and too much joking around, given what's at stake. Yet another thing IW was way better at.
- The whole time heist plot has given them a lot of opportunities for fan service/callbacks/gags and boy did they went to town with it. Almost too much, for my taste, and I'd prefer this whole section was shorter in favour of fleshing out endings of more beloved characters.
- I was led to believe (or wanted to believe) this movie had a proper, best-in-the-whole-series final action/battle setpiece. It didn't. Final brawl with Thanos and THAT assembly was indeed awesome but then it just kind of fizzled out - in huge part "thanks" to stupidly OP Captain Marvel.
- Thanos was a proper badass - to a point I almost felt sorry to see him go in what ended up being quite an anticlimacting ending for him.
- Even 10 minutes of Captain Marvel felt too much of her. A textbook definition of shoehorned. OP and therefore boring. Also: horrible haircut. Brownie points: Thanos basically besting her.
- That girl power scene would be much better if it happened at least somewhat organically. But eh, whatever, it was passable.
- I don't like what they've done with Hulk one bit and I don't care how that relates to whatever arc he has in whichever comics. Hulk is suppose to be rage personified, a formidable force of nature - not a reduntant copy of Beast from X-men. They clipped his balls so they could have a couple of extra gags in there and him not having another go at Thanos was a travesty.
- Black Widow's death was somewhat surprising but since the whole scene was a bit of a re-run from IW, it didn't have as much impact as her character deserved.
- Thor deserved a way more poignant send-off then being reduced to yet another gag.
- Cap had a nice send-off (and him weilding Mjolnir was awesome) but passing the torch to Falcon and not to Bucky? Bitch, please.
There's alot more to unpack but to wrap it up ... yeah, not too happy with Endgame, overall. Quite a disappointment, coming from IW, and unlike IW, I don't feel the need to see it again any time soon. But hey, based on a couple of applause bursts at the finale, kids in the theater seemed to have loved it though, so eh, what do I know.
Dacon
Banned
The BP suit was also much cooler in Civil war. Did not like the redesign in BP.
pramod
Banned
The other big problem with time travel is that once you let it out of the bag, how do you put it back?
Why would future heroes not just use time travel to defeat or undo anything they want? It seems so easy and simple. Or just keep going back in time to "borrow" the Infinity Stones whenever they need a super weapon?
Why would future heroes not just use time travel to defeat or undo anything they want? It seems so easy and simple. Or just keep going back in time to "borrow" the Infinity Stones whenever they need a super weapon?
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manfestival
Member
Also one scene I was thinking about that everyone is kinda glossing over since the surrounding events were so fantastic.
The moment of peace and success then suddenly BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM. Let's be real, most of those dudes shoulda died from that kinda fire power lol.
The moment of peace and success then suddenly BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM. Let's be real, most of those dudes shoulda died from that kinda fire power lol.
Liamario
Banned
I feel a little resentful because he was interesting in CW. I was looking forward to his standalone film and it was very disappointing. He was the least interesting character in it. Couple this with the fact we’re told that his movie is awesome and the Oscar nomination it should never have received. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
My issues don’t ruin the film for me. Really enjoyed the movie overall.
Kadayi
Banned
^ On point. It's a hugely annoying aspect of the movies.
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(**SPOILERS AHEAD**)
- Whoever complained about the pacing was right on the money. Infinity War was paced almost to perfection, this was not - not even close.
- Same goes for the tone - all over the place and too much joking around, given what's at stake. Yet another thing IW was way better at.
- The whole time heist plot has given them a lot of opportunities for fan service/callbacks/gags and boy did they went to town with it. Almost too much, for my taste, and I'd prefer this whole section was shorter in favour of fleshing out endings of more beloved characters.
- I was led to believe (or wanted to believe) this movie had a proper, best-in-the-whole-series final action/battle setpiece. It didn't. Final brawl with Thanos and THAT assembly was indeed awesome but then it just kind of fizzled out - in huge part "thanks" to stupidly OP Captain Marvel.
- Thanos was a proper badass - to a point I almost felt sorry to see him go in what ended up being quite an anticlimacting ending for him.
- Even 10 minutes of Captain Marvel felt too much of her. A textbook definition of shoehorned. OP and therefore boring. Also: horrible haircut. Brownie points: Thanos basically besting her.
- That girl power scene would be much better if it happened at least somewhat organically. But eh, whatever, it was passable.
- I don't like what they've done with Hulk one bit and I don't care how that relates to whatever arc he has in whichever comics. Hulk is suppose to be rage personified, a formidable force of nature - not a reduntant copy of Beast from X-men. They clipped his balls so they could have a couple of extra gags in there and him not having another go at Thanos was a travesty.
- Black Widow's death was somewhat surprising but since the whole scene was a bit of a re-run from IW, it didn't have as much impact as her character deserved.
- Thor deserved a way more poignant send-off then being reduced to yet another gag.
- Cap had a nice send-off (and him wielding Mjolnir was awesome) but passing the torch to Falcon and not to Bucky? Bitch, please.
There's alot more to unpack but to wrap it up ... yeah, not too happy with Endgame, overall. Quite a disappointment, coming from IW, and unlike IW, I don't feel the need to see it again any time soon. But hey, based on a couple of applause bursts at the finale, kids in the theater seemed to have loved it though, so eh, what do I know.
^ An excellent summary really.
I'd also add that Tony's death scene was a mess. Pepper giving a shit about Peter Parker in the moment, versus her dying life partner and the father of her child, was like 'what?' Save those condolences for after he's dead, not beforehand. You didn't know he was dying until you checked with Friday. Sometimes there's a place for Stoicism and sometimes there's not.
pramod
Banned
The more I think about it, the more the final battle didn't really make sense.
Why didn't Captain Marvel just put on the gauntlet and snap Thanos out of existence? Or Hulk? Or Thor? Why did they simply run around carrying it like a bunch of idiots? Yeah they wanted to send it back through the portal to the past, but wouldn't it be MUCH EASIER to just USE THE GAUNTLET?
Why didn't Captain Marvel just put on the gauntlet and snap Thanos out of existence? Or Hulk? Or Thor? Why did they simply run around carrying it like a bunch of idiots? Yeah they wanted to send it back through the portal to the past, but wouldn't it be MUCH EASIER to just USE THE GAUNTLET?
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manfestival
Member
They kept Tony alive for way too long too. Starlord could barely touch one stone for a moment and he is half celestial. We can see how a hulk could survive and even be wrecked for doing what he did. Tony? Well the moment he snapped I said to myself "oh snap he is dead!" yet he survived long enough to have his adopted son and his replacement for jeff bezos wife come in and have their monologues
bitbydeath
Member
I just went and saw it and enjoyed it. The final fight was fantastic aside from the lame girl power scene I did like that Thor joined the guardians I was hoping that’d be the case given his relationship and how they changed him up in ragnarok.
I do have a question though. At the funeral, who was the person just before Captain Marvel?
Oh and what was with her haircut, is she a dyke in the comics?
I do have a question though. At the funeral, who was the person just before Captain Marvel?
Oh and what was with her haircut, is she a dyke in the comics?
Kadayi
Banned
This is the spoiler thread. No need for Spoiler tags ppl.
TBH I kind of figured that they'd put Thor with GOTG as they were the highlight of IW, although it's kind of dumb that they have this Quill/Thor power struggle because Quill is just a regular dude since he lost his celestial powers whereas Thor's pretty much invincible.
Maria Hill?
Probably
TBH I kind of figured that they'd put Thor with GOTG as they were the highlight of IW, although it's kind of dumb that they have this Quill/Thor power struggle because Quill is just a regular dude since he lost his celestial powers whereas Thor's pretty much invincible.
Maria Hill?
Probably
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bitbydeath
Member
Just googled, apparently it was Harley Keener from Iron Man 3.
Never would have guessed that.
bitbydeath
Member
I just want to say that I have nothing against girl power. Buffy is my all time favourite TV Show ever and that will likely never be topped. It even has a wonderful love scene between two women, Willow and Tara and it is fantastic. The 100 is also fantastic with gay guys and women and girl power.
But this crap in Marvel how the woman has to be a complete bitch or show women coming together for no reason at all is vomit inducing.
But this crap in Marvel how the woman has to be a complete bitch or show women coming together for no reason at all is vomit inducing.
Raikugen
Neo Member
That's true, but at the same time thanos fights captain marvel after he fights thor, cap, and iron man. I know thanos is a beast, but if he was all powerful and never showed any signs of getting tired, I doubt he would be receiving the same criticism that captain marvel is receiving for being OP. She essentially swooped in at full strength and took thanos by surprise the same way thor did, but no one whined about that.
Raikugen
Neo Member
I get that you didn't like the movie, but thor had been through the ringer and they even touched on that during infinity war. I think it's different that they were willing to show that even someone that powerful could be haunted by his failures. As for hulk, I love world war hulk, but I felt like professor hulk was the best and most natural progression for him given how intelligent hulk was already becoming. Im also assuming you missed the part in the last 10 or so movies where captain America was sulking over never getting his dance. It wasn't perfect by any means, but it did a great job balancing the old and new imo.
Kadayi
Banned
A lot of these issues come down to the whole vagueness of power levels in the MCU as others pointed out earlier in the thread. Feige has failed to map that out in a meaningful way and it kind of shows at times like this.
Raikugen
Neo Member
I agree, but the point still stands, if you're not going to whine about Thor getting the jump on a non-battle fatigued full power infinity gauntlet thanos. It doesn't make sense complaining about captain marvel holding him back for a few seconds using essentially the same strategy after thanos had been fatigued.
Kadayi
Banned
Did you seriously just reactivate a dead account to come here to blithely admonish the forum to defend the sanctity of Captain Marvel with whataboutisms? 4 posts, 3 of them in this thread.
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Raikugen
Neo Member
I hope that Captain Marvel becomes more likeable in time. I personally think she's at her best when she isn't being a try hard. It was short, but I really liked her moment with spiderman. Then again Tom Holland makes any scene he's in amazing.
Raikugen
Neo Member
I always lurked, only posted once or twice before today. Is it an issue that I want to contribute to this conversation? Was I supposed to ask for your permission first, just because I'm providing a different perspective?
bitbydeath
Member
I think the problem is the actress as she comes off the same way in interviews. She has a large chip on her shoulder/stick up her butt.
Raikugen
Neo Member
Is this really that common of a thing to do? I don't want to derail the discussion or anything, but I just felt like I could offer a different perspective on the film. Didn't realize everyone would start investigating my profile just because I made some posts.
Raikugen
Neo Member
Yeah, it doesn't help that it's really difficult to separate the actor from their character. The actors cast in the MCU are all such lovable people. Brie Larson seems like such a miscast in comparison.
Raikugen
Neo Member
Ok? Is there some rule about when is the appropriate time to join a conversation? If anything I'd think consistently derailing a thread from the topic at hand is more of an issue.
bitbydeath
Member
Don’t worry about him, he’s just being a cunth.
Raikugen
Neo Member
Did you seriously just reactivate a dead account to come here to blithely admonish the forum to defend the sanctity of Captain Marvel with whataboutisms? 4 posts, 3 of them in this thread.
Not really a fan of Captain Marvel tbh, I just don't see why people think thanos is supposed to be invincible, after we saw Thor nearly land a deathblow with the element of surprise on his side. Thanos doesn't know captain marvel. It makes sense that she should have been able to get the drop on him. It only lasted about a minute anyway.
royox
Member
Kadayi
Banned
Of course, you have. I mean jeez there was an entire thread dedicated to Captain Marvel with people shitting on her left right and centre, yet *Tumbleweeds* from you in there, but suddenly here you are attacking the forum for not being down with the clowns when it comes to her OP nature and how ill-fitting it is for Endgame with whataboutisms. We've seen Thanos without the gem powers beforehand, and he handed the Hulk his ass in Infinity War without even breaking a sweat. Dude isn't a beast, he's pretty much invincible because he's descended from the Eternals. Thor wasn't wrong about needing Stormbringer to kill him, it's one of the few weapons capable of the task.
Surely you should know right? From all that lurking no
kiiltz
Member
So I was thinking more about the film and...
I posted earlier about the Grandfather Paradox and how the Avengers were essentially in a way trying to avoid that. Then I realised that fucking Thanos (and by extension Gamora and Nebula) basically fulfilled that paradox, only in reverse. He time travelled from the past into the future and got himself killed meaning he's not going to be around to collect all the Infinity Stones and kill the Asgardians, Gamora and you know, half the universe (therefore meaning the Avengers won't have to do the fetch quest thing blah blah).
It's a little funny, for all the shit the Russo brothers were giving the other movies they ultimately gone and went ahead and did the exact same thing. To their credit they did open up the possibility of a multiverse theory...
Which would mean the Avengers not only restored their Universe but saved another from ever experiencing Thanos. I really wonder if Guardians 3 is going to be about this because they're the ones going to be most affected by Endgame (no Gamora to join the Guardians since she's in another universe).
I posted earlier about the Grandfather Paradox and how the Avengers were essentially in a way trying to avoid that. Then I realised that fucking Thanos (and by extension Gamora and Nebula) basically fulfilled that paradox, only in reverse. He time travelled from the past into the future and got himself killed meaning he's not going to be around to collect all the Infinity Stones and kill the Asgardians, Gamora and you know, half the universe (therefore meaning the Avengers won't have to do the fetch quest thing blah blah).
It's a little funny, for all the shit the Russo brothers were giving the other movies they ultimately gone and went ahead and did the exact same thing. To their credit they did open up the possibility of a multiverse theory...
Which would mean the Avengers not only restored their Universe but saved another from ever experiencing Thanos. I really wonder if Guardians 3 is going to be about this because they're the ones going to be most affected by Endgame (no Gamora to join the Guardians since she's in another universe).
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Raikugen
Neo Member
Of course, you have. I mean jeez there was an entire thread dedicated to Captain Marvel with people shitting on her left right and centre, yet *Tumbleweeds* from you in there, but suddenly here you are attacking the forum for not being down with the clowns when it comes to her OP nature and how ill-fitting it is for Endgame with whataboutisms. We've seen Thanos without the gem powers beforehand, and he handed the Hulk his ass in Infinity War without even breaking a sweat. Dude isn't a beast, he's pretty much invincible because he's descended from the Eternals. Thor wasn't wrong about needing Stormbringer to kill him, it's one of the few weapons capable of the task.
Surely you should know right? From all that lurking no
Haha, wow that is a lot of passive aggressiveness. Again, in not a fan of Captain Marvel, so I didn't post in that forum, or even know of it's existence. I started using this site as an easy way to keep track of what was going on in the gaming world, as I was becoming sick of IGN at the time. I am however, a fan of the Avengers and was pretty surprised that a lot of people didn't like it. I just wanted to join in on the conversation, I didn't realize I had to be a well known name to have my opinion respected or acknowledged here.
https://deadline.com/2019/04/avengers-endgame-opening-weekend-box-office-record-1202602445/
Superhero fatigue was gonna kick in. Brie Larson were gonna destroy the MCU. Representation and diversity were suppose to end the MCU.
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Raikugen
Neo Member
I'm glad someone else noticed this as I was wondering if I imagined it. I feel like one of the biggest criticisms I've seen about the movie is how thanos was handled, a few of my friends said he was a shell of who he was in infinity war, but it kind of makes sense considering the plan was never to re-confront thanos to begin with. If not for Nebula, Thanos wouldn't have even gotten reintroduced to the storyline. I just don't know what people were expecting with this movie.
kiiltz
Member
The whole "being crippled if you use the gauntlet" seems to be the kiss of death of plot devices for these two films. It's textbook for such an extraordinary power to have dangerous consequences but at the same time they wrote themselves into a corner, especially with Thanos using it twice.
The whole ending battle never should have happened because if Thanos was a smart as he should have been All he had to do was sit back and let events play out as he'd known he'd already won. Then when gets the gauntlet just say "kill half the universe + the Avengers" then he gets to live out the rest of his life as a hermit without risking an emotional axe-wielding Nordic god trying to slice his head off.