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Who is that? A random Reee poster?
The numbers were encoded ASCII text, not actual specs. Of course they don't make sense LOL.
What's this wank? Let's all buy a Pro and X and stick to them for another 7 years then. What's the point of next gen consoles?Grow up then. If you want power go buy RTX2080Ti instead of bitching about 4tf nonsense.
Going by your logic every devs should develop their games with RTX2080ti in their mind instead of virgin amd gpu.
but why play games with us and have us waste hours only to find out that your riddle said 'scarlett is out in the wild'. thats super lame.
I know it bothers you that PS5 is more powerful. I hope it will stay that way. Just to rub it on your nose.
The numbers were encoded ASCII text, not actual specs. Of course they don't make sense LOL.
The only thing OB claimed so far is TF>10 for next gen consoles and tiny differences in power.
Last time I heard 5700xt is 7nm.You’re not accounting for the huge heat reduction from 16nm to 7nm+
ups..... that new for me.
no one has FINALE DEVKITS but you and your insiders know finale spects of the end product ps5 and Scarlett?
that's magic.... I'm impressed..
What you expect from resetera?Strange how some people brains work lol OB said none of this
Strange how some people brains work lol OB said none of this
No, Tom Warren is proven MS insider who works for Verge. Klee is ex jurno who posts on Resetera.
So it was only a jokeAccording to the other forum (REEEEEEEEEEE)
FF2400 = Scarlett
3x3.19
5x3.21.20
10-1.14
5x4.8.5
4x6-1.9.12.4
3x3.19 i s
5x3.21.20 o u t
10-1.14 i n
5x4.8.5 t h e
4x6-1.9.12.4 w i l d
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as in.... IT'S FUCKING NOTHING
You should only trust information from MS shills. Didn't you get the memo?My insiders, haha, LOL. So, my insiders are Jason Schreier, Colin Moriarty, Andrew Reiner, Kleegamefan which all of them have a lot of contacts in this industry and devs who told them that PS5 is more powerful.
Target specs. That's why. All devs which have received Scarlet and PS5 devkits surely got product manual with target spec info.
But devkits are really NEAR to be final. If Phil Spencer has a Scarlet home console at home and it's usable, that means specs are done IMO.
No, thats the point, we are getting sub 10TF machines and he and Tom/Jason have been fed with BS.I always wondered what exactly compelled Klee to jump on Reset and start serving tea? Because after everything he posted it feels like we're right back to square one again.
At the very least I think we can be assured that we're not getting sub 10TF consoles. If any other late surprises develop, I hope and pray they're positive ones.
I always wondered what exactly compelled Klee to jump on Reset and start serving tea? Because after everything he posted it feels like we're right back to square one again.
You should only trust information from MS shills. Didn't you get the memo?
So it was only a joke. OsirisBlack only say what people here expect to hear.
No, its because he hasnt leaked a thing. Like Osiris, he is vague. No specifics except "There is NO Lockhart guys" (which was wrong BTW). I am also waiting for Jason and Tom to be wrong about TF like alot of good jurnos where in gens before. Jason NEVER got right TF amount btw, only that MS and Sony are "aiming above Stadia". It is true even with 9TF Navi without VRS and RT, let alone with it.You should only trust information from MS shills. Didn't you get the memo?
What makes you think that ?I always wondered what exactly compelled Klee to jump on Reset and start serving tea? Because after everything he posted it feels like we're right back to square one again.
At the very least I think we can be assured that we're not getting sub 10TF consoles. If any other late surprises develop, I hope and pray they're positive ones.
So it was only a joke. OsirisBlack only say what people here expect to hear.
Some are playing silly buggers here IMO.....(Not talking about you to be clear!)
Mind you 10.2TF Navi with VRS, RT and some other sweetness will DEMOLISH 12.8TF GCN. Kill it. Murder it. That Navi would outperform 2080 100%.What makes you think that ?
For me it's still between 9TF - 11TF MAX, let's make it even and say 10.2TF NAVI/12.8TF GCN, it's a fair assuming 40CU & beats STADIA by a margin.
expect something really close to this and drop those crazy numbers, i'm telling you this is IT.
Can you share links concerning VRS and explain why you think consoles will be getting that?People didnt get the memo what VRS is (that current AMD cards dont have, but consoles will have). Increase of peformance goes up to 57%, that is GIGANTIC.
No, its because he hasnt leaked a thing. Like Osiris, he is vague. No specifics except "There is NO Lockhart guys" (which was wrong BTW). I am also waiting for Jason and Tom to be wrong about TF like alot of good jurnos where in gens before. Jason NEVER got right TF amount btw, only that MS and Sony are "aiming above Stadia". It is true even with 9TF Navi without VRS and RT, let alone with it.
Also, Tom and Thurrot at least leaked dual SKU strat from MS. They also work in industry and do not post vague BS like Matt and Klee do all the time.
Only real, solid leaks, have been Kotaku Prospero, Verge/Turrot MS dual SKU and Apisak/Komachi.
These where confirmed by several insiders. Everything else is just noise.
Jason NEVER got right TF amount btw, only that MS and Sony are "aiming above Stadia"
Also, Tom and Thurrot at least leaked dual SKU strat from MS. They also work in industry and do not post vague BS like Matt and Klee do all the time.
You should only trust information from MS shills. Didn't you get the memo?
What makes you think that ?
For me it's still between 9TF - 11TF MAX, let's make it even and say 10.2TF NAVI/12.8TF GCN, it's a fair assuming 40CU & beats STADIA by a margin.
expect something really close to this and drop those crazy numbers, i'm telling you this is IT.
3DMark has put VRS benchmark. Alot of people reporting some serious gains (40-60% increase in FPS).Can you share links concerning VRS and explain why you think consoles will be getting that?
No, what I am saying is Tom Warren gets info from MS. They can BS him, but we know his sources are directly from MS.You need to consider that Schreier said that EARLIER this year, WHEN NOBODY HAD a dev kits. So, he was right on that.
So, you said that Tom do not post a vague BS like Klee, but you said that Tom got a BS info about Lockhart from MS, so, Tom doesn't post vague BS like Klee even then when TOM got a BS info from MS when he claimed that Lockhart is soooo dead.
Like this : So i'm gonna believe Tom when he says one thing, but then discard the other things he says that doesn't fit a particular narrative?
Yep, post above just proves it what you said. Tom never, really never ever said a vague BS even when he was wrong
Yeah, he is an MS insider and he do not post a vague bullshit like Klee..... UNBELIEVABLE how one MS insider can post a pastebin crap
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They will be surprises for sure, Sony didn't miss E3 for nothing, games gonna look ridiculously good add to that some new stuff that were not possible with jaguar CPU (expect something new, never experienced before) AMD RYZEN is the best thing that happened for CPU, now there are some concerns around that Halo trailer (keep in mind that it was in 4k and early kit) games gonna look extremely good, rich & alive on 1080p/1440p , i don't think people will play 4k that much (cause of some downgrades)sonomamashine , no I agree with you and pretty sure we're getting no less than 10.
I just hope if there actually are late surprises they're good ones. Like memory, SSD configs, and a few killer AAAs .
No, what I am saying is Tom Warren gets info from MS. They can BS him, but we know his sources are directly from MS.
We know he was one of first to report on dual SKU. We know he writes for Verge and stands behind his articles.
What we dont know about Klee is literally everything. He was wrong about Lockhart, he doubled down on it being dead and was wrong. I dont see why we should take his posts on forum as a gospel. He didnt leak codenames (Komachi/Apisak and Kotaku did), he didnt leak dual SKU (Tom and Brad did) and all he said was vague things like "You will be surprised by how good games look considering the TFs" "Difference is small" etc.
Alot of fluff.
"I have no problem being varified.
I am Kelly Rickards, former editor from Die Hard Gamefan magazine(yes, I was there during the "Jap Bastard" incident), former west coast editor of EGM. I was on the GAF forums since 1998 and joined era during the mass exodus here. Got married, got out of the gaming industry in '04 but still maintain lots of contacts in the industry. "
I am not taking Toms words as gospel at all. In fact, if you are reading my posts you will note I think him and Jason are WRONG on TF count. Why? Because they are not technical and you cannot be sure what their sources, if they are even right, where thinking and what Tom and Jason got from it.Tom Warren didn't leak that both of Scarlet and PS5 will be above 10 TF. Tom Warren said that Lockhart WAS DEAD! An MS insider didn't know target specs for Scarlet, really? So, if you saying the same for Klee, the same can goes for Tom Warren. I dont see why we should take Tom's posts on forum as a gospel.
Like i said : So i'm gonna believe Tom when he says one thing, but then discard the other things he says that doesn't fit a particular narrative?
Don't have a double standards, bro!
About Klee
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT6| - Mostly Fan Noise and Hot Air OT
I'm not joking. I still remember the lengthy debates. With one person especially... I think the name was I-Low or something like that. Dude legit thought Sony was going to launch the PS4 that was just a few Gigaflops more powerful and maybe 1-2GB or RAM. I'd have to search through the old place...www.resetera.com
I am not taking Toms words as gospel at all. In fact, if you are reading my posts you will note I think him and Jason are WRONG on TF count. Why? Because they are not technical and you cannot be sure what their sources, if they are even right, where thinking and what Tom and Jason got from it.
"Both are shooting above Stadia" is very vague.
"Anaconda is higher then 10TF" but few months earlier he posted 12+TF dev kits and Arcturus specs which where bogus and wrong. So which is right? 2+ TF of difference from same source.
Watch it being 9TF and them saying "Duo to VRS and RT its much stronger then Stadia"(ofc it is).
VRS has been implemented in Turing since 2018:Can you share links concerning VRS and explain why you think consoles will be getting that?
No, Jason didnt even mention TFs. He said they are shooting HIGHER In perf vs Stadia. No where did he say TF will be higher, its console warrior brain wanting 12TF and then feeding it with quote that doesnt actually say it.Jason wasn't wrong on TF count. Uh : You need to consider that Schreier said that EARLIER this year, WHEN NOBODY HAD a dev kits. So, he was right on TF count!
No, Jason didnt even mention TFs. He said they are shooting HIGHER In perf vs Stadia. No where did he say TF will be higher, its console warrior brain wanting 12TF and then feeding it with quote that doesnt actually say it.
Yea 9TF Navi 2 with VRS wont beat 2070, but somehow current Navi XT without it beats it (while running at avg ~8.8-9TF duo to clocks not being in 1800MHZ as advertised).VRS has been implemented in Turing since 2018:
Variable Rate Shading (VRS)
VRS allows developers to control shading rate dynamically, shading as little as once per sixteen pixels or as often as eight times per pixel. The application specifies shading rate using a combination of a shading-rate surface and a per-primitive (triangle) value. VRS is a very powerful tool that allows developers to shade more efficiently, reducing work in regions of the screen where full resolution shading would not give any visible image quality benefit, and therefore improving frame rate. Several classes of VRS-based algorithms have already been identified, which can vary shading work based on content level of detail (Content Adaptive Shading), rate of content motion (Motion Adaptive Shading), and for VR applications, lens resolution and eye position (Foveated Rendering).
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Don't buy the BS that it's going to surpass 2070/2080 cards, despite only being 8-9TF. That's uninformed at best.
Besides, what most people don't understand is that compute needs are not the same as rasterization needs.
Compute (GPGPU) needs = physics, AI (pathfinding), neural networks/deep learning, lighting, post-processing -> a flop is a flop (1:1), there is not silly GCN vs RDNA distinction here.
Rasterization = plain old 3D graphics and nothing else -> smart rendering tricks such as tiled rendering, memory compression algorithms etc.
Too bad uninformed people will keep perpetuating the same myth ad infinitum...
But he DID NOT mention TFs. He said they target higher performance (which even current 5700 non XT would provide), not TF.Hahaha! If he said that both Sony and MS are aiming above Stadia TF count, so, yes, both are above 10 TF and Navi. Cheers Jason was right on TF count. Later was just confirmed by Klee, Jason and Reiner that both are above 10 TF.
How is it console warring to want both consoles to be 12 tflops?No, Jason didnt even mention TFs. He said they are shooting HIGHER In perf vs Stadia. No where did he say TF will be higher, its console warrior brain wanting 12TF and then feeding it with quote that doesnt actually say it.
VRS basically makes areas of image less detailed by grouping pixels in larger blocks and shading it according to one pixel instead of shading each pixel individually. It's literally making bigger pixels leading to the parts of image less detailed - lower res. There's no magic free fps at no cost. It's the reduction of detail, period.Thats not true at all and VRS has nothing to do with DLSS which literally makes image blurry mess. Most important thing about VRS is limiting parts of renderer where shading is done depending on its priority. It automatically brings efficiency up, especially when engines are designed that way to take advantage of it (unlike tried and testet PC way od doing things - just crank it up to 11 and let people buy new GPUs).
But he DID NOT mention TFs. He said they target higher performance (which even current 5700 non XT would provide), not TF.
In other words, don't expect much in the way of substantial leakage just yet. The only thing to know for sure is that both Sony and Microsoft are aiming higher than that "10.7 teraflops" number that Google threw out last week (And, as has been reported, Microsoft's got a few things in the works.
9TF NAVI beats STADIA...........Jason specifically said that both console makers are aiming to beat stadia tflops numbers.
How is it console warring to want both consoles to be 12 tflops?
Jason specifically said that both console makers are aiming to beat stadia tflops numbers. He never said anything about performance. His quote has been posted here many times.
Most recently he said on his podcast that consoles are going to be more powerful than the rtx 2080. He didn't believe it himself and refused to be quoted on it because its such a ridiculous proposition to him but that's what was told to him by several of his sources.
his is why I don't post here often: https://www.resetera.com/threads/ru...aiming-higher-than-10-7-teraflops-gpu.107952/
Anyway, I don't know for sure what next-gen specs will look like. I have no idea how many teraflops there'll be. A dev recently told me that a lot of people within studios are just making assumptions based on limited information, and that one of the assumptions is that everything's going to be twice as powerful.
I posted Jasons update in my last post and you can see there he even said he hates these thread because his words are took as gospel. And people who take them are people like you.WTF is happening here with Xbone fans and their logical conslusions?
Jason literally said that both companies are aiming to beat Stadia TF count numbers. I've said that numerous times here.
If he said that both Sony and MS are aiming above Stadia TF count and working hard to achieve that, so, yes, both are above 10 TF and Navi architecture which IS CLEARLY above Stadia's 10.7 VEGA. Jason was right on TF count. Later was just confirmed by Klee, Jason and Reiner that both are above 10 TF.
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Next gen PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Secret sauces spicing 2019
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I posted Jasons update in my last post and you can see there he even said he hates these thread because his words are took as gospel. And people who take them are people like you.
He LITERALLY said big studios have very few informations regarding next gen consoles, and that he DOESNT know TF number.