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[Derktron]

It certainly does. There's an idea that the day one adopters are the hard core gamers who would be willing to splash the big cash to buy their console of choice, but I still think they need to release the Lockhart at the same time to avoid Playstation gaining a foothold. It would be weird to release the weaker console second, kind of a reverse of the Pro/X situation this gen. I imagine they will use the monster specs of the Series X to drum up hype, and then slip in details of the lockhart later.

Lockhart is going be a reality, it’s obvious is when Xbox even said themselves the Series X is more than one.

 

[Nikana]

Which Sega console was 64-bit while Nintendo was 32-bit?

Are you thinking of the Atari Jaguar? Because clearly you did not do the math!

Whoa, Phil Spencer told DF that "they did the math" on Scarlet, Jaguar LIVES!!!

I did the math on my wallet and was like fuck off Atari.

 

[Derktron]

Which Sega console was 64-bit while Nintendo was 32-bit?

Are you thinking of the Atari Jaguar? Because clearly you did not do the math!

Whoa, Phil Spencer told DF that "they did the math" on Scarlet, Jaguar LIVES!!!

Whatever my point still stands. All these flops are just fuel to the fire of fanboyish wars y’all keep having.

 

[DanielsM]

You're coming across as a bitter, debby downer trying to downplay power now that the evidence is piling up. MS is doubling down on hardware (two skus). Do you think before you post. Again, nobody knows where console gaming will be 10 yrs from now.

And i frankly don't care what you think of Xbox services. I don't agree and stated why. I get you're trying to deflect power advantage narrative with doom n gloom Xbbox sells etc.... sells and such.

1. I'm not bitter about anything, you're being defensive.
2. There is no evidence piling up other than the facts I brought up.... sales are horrible, continue to go down, gaming service revenue appears to be going down as well.
3. Of course you don't care about what I think about Xbox services because you're astroturfer, nobody is signing up for the services and actually paying for them.

I never said anything about doom and gloom, actually on the contrary, Microsoft has basically admitted they can't compete in the hardware space and now are moving onto service. Frankly, I am suspect on all these services because generally the consumer is not interested.

If that hurts your inter-child I'm not sure what to tell you other than you're not a very tough astroturfer.

You really didn't bring any "evidence", yet you keep saying "evidence".... clearly you don't know what the word is.... and they failed to teach you in your astroturfing class.

 

[eastwood333]

Whether MS has the most powerful console is pretty much irrelevant to the current market, which is why sales went down since the Xbox One X release - people moved on, they're probably not coming back. Which why MS was discussing getting rid of the hardware.

Most people are not going to switch back and forth, this is why MS exited other consumer markets that they were losing i.e. mobile phone, watches, etc.

And Satya and Phil decided to "go all in "on Xbox. Maybe that explains the doubling down on hardware(12tf monster and lockhart) and 1st party investment

Sells are going down for PS4 too. Its the end of this gen with next gen consoles launching in less than a year

 

[Nikana]

And Satya and Phil decided to "go all in "on Xbox. Maybe that explains the doubling down on hardware(12tf monster and lockhart) and 1st party investment

Sells are going down for PS4 too. Its the end of this gen with next gen consoles launching in less than a year

Save your typing. Debating with Daniels is pointless. He's a shit poster. we all need to learn to ignore him until mods finally ban him.

 

[octiny]

You're coming across as a bitter, debby downer trying to downplay power now that the evidence is piling up. MS is doubling down on hardware (two skus). Do you think before you post. Again, nobody knows where console gaming will be 10 yrs from now.

And i frankly don't care what you think of Xbox services. I don't agree and stated why. I get you're trying to deflect power advantage narrative with doom n gloom Xbbox sells etc.... sells and such.

Don't mind him. He's been spouting the same stuff for a long time. It's become nearly a meme at this point.

Though I do give him points for always attempting to connect an irrelevant opinion to the corresponding thread he's posting in.

He's closing in on TheLastWords level, but he's still got some catching up to do.

 

[Jigsaah]

Nothing confirmed, but there is now a more credible source than Albert Penello that I mention in my similar thread. Add this analysis from DF and it lends at least some credibility as well. I still think a little less power at a better price point is the more advantageous position to have. So for those who dont care about power, something a lot of Sony fans have been claiming since the X came out, this should be good news.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

This 9.2tf is gathering a lot of traction now.

If it turns out to be wide of the mark a lot of red faces and lost credibility.

So basically assume the best for Microsoft while assuming the worst for the the PS5?

What a balanced approach.

DF tends to not report unless they at least some sort of confirmation. So there has to be some credibility to this.

And that it would be impossible for Sony to get 8GB GDDR5 for the PS4. He didn't use the words unfeasible or expensive, he said impossible.

People seem to forget the Battlefield 4 fiasco where their PS4 captures were done wrong and it made the Xbox One version look better, because back then everyone was still on the Xbox train.

Are they really making comparison with absolute fucking nothing official yet??

Come on people, we saw this same shit at the beginning of this gen; DF lied out their arses and were caught red-handed doing it.

The same writer the same publication and the same timing - 12 months from launch. At this point, the long-time posters on this forum are being wilfully ignorant to the past.

Xbox one leaks made it look like a piece of shit, the usual media outlets went on the defence while slagging off Sony, who, released ZERO information about the PS4. Yet, publications like DF and Dick Leadbeater were still hyping the Xbox one while slagging off the PS4.

And here we are again. Xbox specs - which admittedly look much better this time around - have been released. Sony have said nothing.

We all know why Sony have said nothing. They have never had the weaker console, why would they start now?

 

[policestationx]

All these flops are just like the 32-bit Vs. 64-bit of Sega Vs. Nintendo era but people sure do have a really bad memory loss because even though Nintendo was 32-bit system it still beat the most powerful. I’m just excited for both systems.

PS4 won against XBO and WiiU while having the strongest specs and the competitors were focusing on expensive crap like Kinect and WiiU gamepad at the start of the generation.

Now Nintendo in much better situation as Nintendo Switch outpacing PS4 sales launch alligned while Microsoft is focusing on console power and service like gamepass instead of TV entertainment box bs.

 

[DanielsM]

And Satya and Phil decided to "go all in "on Xbox. Maybe that explains the doubling down on hardware(12tf monster and lockhart) and 1st party investment

Sells are going down for PS4 too. Its the end of this gen with next gen consoles launching in less than a year

They are not all in on Xbox as a Hardware, they are all in as Xbox as a Service Platform... not the same things. The 1st party is to be used on other platforms and their services basically bad quality Netflix i.e. services. Phil sold Satya a bill of goods on this whole services thing... my guess is services revenue continues to decline, time will tell. Either way the hardware is optional and not a key part of the business.

Yes, PS4 will be down slightly this year (you lack context) as we head into next cycle, Xbox has been going down for nearly a decade and they were always mehhh to okay sales even during the good years. The console market has sailed which is why they have been going to services but I am suspect on all the services talk.... services actually have been going down in dollar terms.

The console market has sailed, people probably aren't coming back.... Nadella is using his mobile strategy, which is the hardware is immaterial.

 

[Max_Po]

dam, 9.2 is a piss poor upgrade.

So basically MS has shown XboxNext Pro already and SONY is going to show PS5 basic and then MS will show Lockhart closer to PS5.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

And vice versa.

One thing that did stand out this gen over last early on with Leadbetter articles when the PS4 came out ahead, there were throwaway sentences "but if your friends are on Live, or if you like one controller over the other"... were thrown in (that don't belong in a tech analysis). And they got called out for it by all sides.

So the friend/network effect is null-and-void now? Isn't that the reason a lot of people say the PS5 still has an advantage? Because of friend/network effect and investment in the PS ecosystem?

I don't see why DF alluding to those same factors in Xbox's case in a comparison video makes them biased; it's a real thing on both sides and people do have controller/OS/etc preferences even if those are for the 2nd-place/3rd-place etc. platform.

Which Sega console was 64-bit while Nintendo was 32-bit?

Are you thinking of the Atari Jaguar? Because clearly you did not do the math!

Whoa, Phil Spencer told DF that "they did the math" on Scarlet, Jaguar LIVES!!!

Dreamcast technically had a 64-bit data bus, but that gen's usually called 128-bit (even if that was only the GPU's; they all had 32-bit CPUs).

It's kind of like saying the MegaDrive was 32-bit when in reality it was just the internal registers that had 32-bit capability (which was still a pretty big deal; they just knew not to market it as a 32-bit system simply over that though).

 

[SleepDoctor]

Don't mind him. He's been spouting the same stuff for a long time. It's become nearly a meme at this point.

Though I do give him points for always attempting to connect an irrelevant opinion to the corresponding thread he's posting in.

He's on closing in on TheLastWords level, but he's still got some catching up to do.

He made up games and release dates lol. Then got mad and blocked me for calling him out telling him to show where the games were announced lol.

 

[Stuart360]

dam, 9.2 is a piss poor upgrade.

So basically MS has shown XboxNext Pro already and SONY is going to show PS5 basic and then MS will show Lockhart closer to PS5.

Its like 5 times the PS4. Sure its not the usual 8-10 times jump but its hardly piss poor.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Whatever my point still stands. All these flops are just fuel to the fire of fanboyish wars y’all keep having.

My post was a joke from the Atari Jaguar marketing slogans.

 

[ethomaz]

You didnt track much. This is what happens when people dont follow rumours posted for a year (coming from AMD data miners) and then parachute into this like you just did.

Yeap hat I said is exactly what happened
But keep jumping conclusion in tests nobody knows what is.

 

[GymWolf]

Come on people, we saw this same shit at the beginning of this gen; DF lied out their arses and were caught red-handed doing it.

The same writer the same publication and the same timing - 12 months from launch. At this point, the long-time posters on this forum are being wilfully ignorant to the past.

Xbox one leaks made it look like a piece of shit, the usual media outlets went on the defence while slagging off Sony, who, released ZERO information about the PS4. Yet, publications like DF and Dick Leadbeater were still hyping the Xbox one while slagging off the PS4.

And here we are again. Xbox specs - which admittedly look much better this time around - have been released. Sony have said nothing.

We all know why Sony have said nothing. They have never had the weaker console, why would they start now?

Maybe because sony wants to sell their console at 400 dollars with a more balanced hardware while M is happy with a beast 500-600 console with money lost for every console they sell (at least in the beginning)??

Who knows...

 

[ethomaz]

They had the exact same codenames (Oberon etc) that people have been linking with PS5/Xbox2 for over a year ...

Yeap and I never saw that Oberon name related to consoles yet...

 

[DeepEnigma]

So the friend/network effect is null-and-void now? Isn't that the reason a lot of people say the PS5 still has an advantage? Because of friend/network effect and investment in the PS ecosystem?

I don't see why DF alluding to those same factors in Xbox's case in a comparison video makes them biased; it's a real thing on both sides and people do have controller/OS/etc preferences even if those are for the 2nd-place/3rd-place etc. platform.

What does that have to do with tech analysis, pixel counting, frame rate measuring, etc., etc..? They are not reviewing the games, so it seemed a little petty since it was absent the gen prior.

I personally don't care, just throwing out things people called them out for, and John has said they get equal shit from both sides.

 

[eastwood333]

1. I'm not bitter about anything, you're being defensive.
2. There is no evidence piling up other than the facts I brought up.... sales are horrible, continue to go down, gaming service revenue appears to be going down as well.
3. Of course you don't care about what I think about Xbox services because you're astroturfer, nobody is signing up for the services and actually paying for them.

I never said anything about doom and gloom, actually on the contrary, Microsoft has basically admitted they can't compete in the hardware space and now are moving onto service. Frankly, I am suspect on all these services because generally the consumer is not interested.

If that hurts your inter-child I'm not sure what to tell you other than you're not a very tough astroturfer.

You really didn't bring any "evidence", yet you keep saying "evidence".... clearly you don't know what the word is.... and they failed to teach you in your astroturfing class.

Defensive or not, you're coming in a thread about hardware specs,and derailing it with "MS is getting out of the console biz" when they're actually doubling down on hardware. People do change ecosystems,people do care about performance/power,companies do reverse damage done by a prior console gen,companies do regain trust/image,companies do regain previous/new audiences. And there is no reason,hardware,xcloud,cross platform can't go co-exist as long as they're in your ecosyastem. Its forward thinking.

I was referring to evidence about XSX being 12tf vs PS5 9.2. You know,the ttopic of this thread

 

[DeepEnigma]

Dreamcast technically had a 64-bit data bus, but that gen's usually called 128-bit (even if that was only the GPU's; they all had 32-bit CPUs).

It's kind of like saying the MegaDrive was 32-bit when in reality it was just the internal registers that had 32-bit capability (which was still a pretty big deal; they just knew not to market it as a 32-bit system simply over that though).

And it came out well after Nintendo was out of the 32-bit wars and were in the 64-bit one.

My joke post went over some people's heads.

 

[Stuart360]

Defensive or not, you're coming in a thread about hardware specs,and derailing it with "MS is getting out of the console biz" when they're actually doubling down on hardware. People do change ecosystems,people do care about performance/power,companies do reverse damage done by a prior console gen,companies do regain trust/image,companies do regain previous/new audiences. And there is no reason,hardware,xcloud,cross platform can't go co-exist as long as they're in your ecosyastem. Its forward thinking.

DanielsM still doing his tiresome schtick?, i have had him on ignore for months now lol. He will still be saying the same shite if/when we get to Xbox 10 lol.

 

[Psykodad]

Come on people, we saw this same shit at the beginning of this gen; DF lied out their arses and were caught red-handed doing it.

The same writer the same publication and the same timing - 12 months from launch. At this point, the long-time posters on this forum are being wilfully ignorant to the past.

Xbox one leaks made it look like a piece of shit, the usual media outlets went on the defence while slagging off Sony, who, released ZERO information about the PS4. Yet, publications like DF and Dick Leadbeater were still hyping the Xbox one while slagging off the PS4.

And here we are again. Xbox specs - which admittedly look much better this time around - have been released. Sony have said nothing.

We all know why Sony have said nothing. They have never had the weaker console, why would they start now?

Admitting that everything is speculation goes against the narrative that neogaf exists of the insecure SDF, because obviously PS5 is gonna be extremely underwhelming.

Some fanboys are already taking this approach and nothing is even set in stone yet.


Talk about "damage control"

Save your typing. Debating with Daniels is pointless. He's a shit poster. we all need to learn to ignore him until mods finally ban him.

Talk about shitposting in every next-gen related thread.

 

[FranXico]

We all know why Sony have said nothing. They have never had the weaker console, why would they start now?

They could well have a significantly weaker console now. That's in fact likely based on the leaks from last summer.
But they didn't announce anything about the PS4 until they were ready to, I would expect the same this time.

 

[ManaByte]

DanielsM still doing his tiresome schtick?, i have had him on ignore for months now lol. He will still be saying the same shite if/when we get to Xbox 10 lol.

It's amazing how people scream that "Xbox haz no gamez!", but then pretend that MS is going third party so they could play all those games that don't exist on their PlayStation.

We all know why Sony have said nothing. They have never had the weaker console, why would they start now?

Sony currently has the weaker console. The Xbox One X is much more powerful than the PS4 Pro.

 

[SleepDoctor]

Admitting that everything is speculation goes against the narrative that neogaf exists of the insecure SDF, because obviously PS5 is gonna be extremely underwhelming.



Talk about shitposting in every PS5 related thread.

Shitposting? Lol coming from you??? Hilarious. Its ok i understand you're in your feelings kiddo.

 

[DanielsM]

Defensive or not, you're coming in a thread about hardware specs,and derailing it with "MS is getting out of the console biz" when they're actually doubling down on hardware. People do change ecosystems,people do care about performance/power,companies do reverse damage done by a prior console gen,companies do regain trust/image,companies do regain previous/new audiences. And there is no reason,hardware,xcloud,cross platform can't go co-exist as long as they're in your ecosyastem. Its forward thinking.

No I did not derail it, you are derailing by making up shit. I never said MS is getting out of the console biz.... they'll probably make hardware for the time being in consoles (they're stupid services nobody is going to buy are not complete).... but its immaterial to them.... they have said this multiple times.

Xbox boss Phil Spencer on the future of gaming: “The business isn’t how many consoles you sell”

A deeper look at xCloud and Project Scarlett.

www.theverge.com

Once people get in these eco-systems it hard for them to get out in today's world which is why Uncle Nadell brought the axe to most of MS's consumer products, MS is trying to make an eco-system within an eco-system.... I remain suspect that will work, matter of fact, I would say its already failed. No difference than what they did for example in mobile.

Come back in 3-5 years, but they could give two shits as to selling a fucking console. They care about as much selling a console as they do Lumia phone, no care at all.

Microsoft CEO: "I did not get why the world needed the third ecosystem in phones" - MSPoweruser

It’s no revelation that current Microsoft CEO was against the Nokia Mobile acquisition in 2013, but in his new autobiography, Nadella revealed his thoughts at the time, which I suspected also guided his subsequent actions when he replaced Steve Ballmer in 2014. In his book, Hit Refresh, he...

mspoweruser.com

 

[Clear]

Its like 5 times the PS4. Sure its not the usual 8-10 times jump but its hardly piss poor.

Going from targeting 1.84tf and Jaguar cores to 9.2tf and Ryzen cores is pretty huge actually. People fixating way too much on GPU side.

 

[GymWolf]

Its like 5 times the PS4. Sure its not the usual 8-10 times jump but its hardly piss poor.

Also an ssd instead of a 5400 rpm old ass hard disk and a modern cou instead of a weak ass mobile cpu.

It's a major jump in almost everything, not like series x if rumor are true, but still pretty big.
People still thinks that devs make games with ps4pro in mind and not with the base console, so they think 4 to 9 is a small jump but it's more 1.80 vs 9+ jump...

 

[eastwood333]

The most powerful console is only one of many factors, the Switch and the Wii outsold more powerful hardware. The hardware market moved on, kind of like the Windows Phone was to mobile, people probably aren't coming back.

Everyone would like to be in on streaming, there just isn't any demand for game streaming for obvious reason.... that is unlikely to change. Sony has been in the streaming space for testing and production for nearly 13 years, so what.

Did anybody say power was the only factor, Captain Obvious. ?But it plays a pivotal role.No? Many want the best looking/performing games.No? And the Switch is aimed at a different market? No?. Sony has a functional PS Now. Just because its not a big success doesn't mean Sony isn't looking into other avenues besides hardware. No?
People aren't coming back to what?

 

[BigLee74]

There's gonna be a lot of inconsolable poor wee souls on this forum if this turns out to be true.

 

[ManaByte]

There's gonna be a lot of inconsolable poor wee souls on this forum if this turns out to be true.

Gonna be? There already are.

 

[Max_Po]

Its like 5 times the PS4. Sure its not the usual 8-10 times jump but its hardly piss poor.

I dumped the "PS4" the moment Pro landed on the market.

 

[DanielsM]

And the Switch is aimed at a different audience.

In gaming, anything Microsoft has aimed at has crashed and burned.... which is why they are always moving on to the next great thing, and I actually loved the original Xbox and early Xbox 360 days. None of this is working, nor has it worked. (although I would say the early Xbox days were at least a critical success for many of the people that bought in 2001-2009)

 

[SleepDoctor]

There's gonna be a lot of inconsolable poor wee souls on this forum if this turns out to be true.

True or false. There will be a meltdown on one side. This emotional attachment to these brands are quite amusing.

 

[LittleBusters]

I can't believe Sony would allow PS5 to overpowered by 33%. Even if it is 9TF, their CPU is higher clocked which matters more in terms of being able to push 4K/60 and their instant load times. XBox will have this too, but an inferior game library.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

DanielsM still doing his tiresome schtick?, i have had him on ignore for months now lol. He will still be saying the same shite if/when we get to Xbox 10 lol.

Oh he's nauseating for sure with his endless service ramblings.

I can't believe Sony would allow PS5 to overpowered by 33%. Even if it is 9TF, their CPU is higher clocked which matters more in terms of being able to push 4K/60 and their instant load times. XBox will have this too, but an inferior game library.

We have a time traveler in our midst.

 

[ManaByte]

In gaming, anything Microsoft has aimed at has crashed and burned.... which is why they are always moving on to the next great thing, and I actually loved the original Xbox and early Xbox 360 days. None of this is working, nor has it worked. (although I would say the early Xbox days were at least a critical success for many of the people that bought in 2001-2009)

So now we're pretending that the Xbox 360 was a flop?

 

[LittleBusters]

PS4 won against XBO and WiiU while having the strongest specs and the competitors were focusing on expensive crap like Kinect and WiiU gamepad at the start of the generation.

Now Nintendo in much better situation as Nintendo Switch outpacing PS4 sales launch alligned while Microsoft is focusing on console power and service like gamepass instead of TV entertainment box bs.

Some Sony fans are still operating as if it's May-June 2013 where XBox is TV/Sports/Kinect and haven't realized what's happening as we hit 2020.

 

[ManaByte]

Some Sony fans are still operating as if it's May-June 2013 where XBox is TV/Sports/Kinect and haven't realized what's happening as we hit 2020.

They still haven't realized what happened when the Xbox One X launched.

 

[DanielsM]

So now we're pretending that the Xbox 360 was a flop?

Define "flop". I wouldn't call it a flop, just not great or even good... financially it was probably a mess.

Sales wise, okayish, once you strip out that it was a long cycle and super long cycle for them 8 plus year.... sales were not great but maybe mehh to okay. Financially the Xbox 360 was likely a disaster, although they were trying to hide the numbers.

This has been discussed countless times on this forum.

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[Slings and Arrows]

Sony currently has the weaker console. The Xbox One X is much more powerful than the PS4 Pro.

True that is a fact. Without sounding like im moving the goalposts, these were mid gen refreshes with the X coming a year later and being significantly redesigned vs PS4pro, which is just toas ps4s celotaped together.

Entering a defined new generation (again sounds like im goalpost moving) I don't think the ps5 will have less power.

I said months and months ago that both will be powerful but Sony NEED the most power they can acheive because of psvr2.

Vr alone makes me question why sony would release a less powerful console that what is available.


To clarify, I prefer the xbox over the playstation. This gen was the first time I bought sony over the competition, first.

 

[VAL0R]

D DanielsM It's not Xbox's fault your next system is 9.2 tflops bro. Just breathe. Take a break and go look at Spider-Man sales figures. You'll feel better, I promise. Just remember "Xbox has no games, Xbox has no games" and try not to think about the impending arrival of the dark tower of 12 TF power.

 

[Fake]

They still haven't realized what happened when the Xbox One X launched.

What happened?

 

[Journey]

The most powerful console is only one of many factors, the Switch and the Wii outsold more powerful hardware.

Everyone would like to be in on streaming, there just isn't any demand for game streaming for obvious reason.... that is unlikely to change.

Not a fair comparison. The Wii popularized motion controllers, it was a fascinating new way to play games. Mainstream non-serious gamers were buying Wii's and playing Wii Sports. My co-worker who didn't even play games bought a Wii just for the fitness aspect.

PS3 and 360 however were competing for the core and hard-core gamer. Xbox went from irrelevant 1/4 the sales of PS2, to a serious contender and even besting Sony in the US market with 360 after launching a dev friendly unit that often won head to heads in multi-platform games and was priced lower. Similarly, if MS manages to put together a more powerful and competitively priced piece of hardware with a good launch line-up, I find it perfectly logical to move on to next gen starting with Xbox Series X, then jumping to PS5 Pro when key PS exclusives start to release, it actually makes perfect sense, unless you choose a single console every gen, but even so, I'm sure PS4 would be the go to console until PS5 hits its stride, I would still wait for the Pro if its underpowered, but that's just me.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Damn it’s getting sweaty in here.

everything is alright

 

[ManaByte]

True that is a fact. Without sounding like im moving the goalposts, these were mid gen refreshes with the X coming a year later and being significantly redesigned vs PS4pro, which is just toas ps4s celotaped together.

Entering a defined new generation (again sounds like im goalpost moving) I don't think the ps5 will have less power.

I said months and months ago that both will be powerful but Sony NEED the most power they can acheive because of psvr2.

Vr alone makes me question why sony would release a less powerful console that what is available.


To clarify, I prefer the xbox over the playstation. This gen was the first time I bought sony over the competition, first.

So by your logic, why would the people who made the Xbox One X allow its successor to be less powerful than the competition?

 

[Psykodad]

What happened?

Switch (nearly) outselling XBO.

 

[DanielsM]

Not a fair comparison. The Wii popularized motion controllers, it was a fascinating new way to play games. Mainstream non-serious gamers were buying Wii's and playing Wii Sports. My co-worker who didn't even play games bought a Wii just for the fitness aspect.

PS3 and 360 however were competing for the core and hard-core gamer. Xbox went from irrelevant 1/4 the sales of PS2, to a serious contender and even besting Sony in the US market with 360 after launching a dev friendly unit that often won head to heads in multi-platform games and was priced lower. Similarly, if MS manages to put together a more powerful and competitively priced piece of hardware with a good launch line-up, I find it perfectly logical to move on to next gen starting with Xbox Series X, then jumping to PS5 Pro when key PS exclusives start to release, it actually makes perfect sense, unless you choose a single console every gen, but even so, I'm sure PS4 would be the go to console until PS5 hits its stride, I would still wait for the Pro if its underpowered, but that's just me.

Of course its not a fair comparsion.... which is why MS changed their whole strategy to casual. Same result.