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[Dory16]

Sales of Xbox have been going down since the Xbox One X, the most powerful console has very little to do with anything, its only one factor.

My guess, the Switch will continue to outsell the Xbox SEX by 3-6 times and it will be less powerful.

Nobody controls whether some people want to use technology from 15 years ago but customers deserve a choice.

 

[reconminicon]

Resetra Legend

 

[TeamGhobad]

Watch sony pull a nintendo and never say the specs. Because it's not important haha.

I think the xbox series x is going to be beefier because of the size of that box cooling won't be a issue.

thats what MS did this gen. they talked about having the most transistors.

 

[CameFromNearFuture]

I also believe Microsoft has the lead as performance/Power goes....






























With the current Xbox One X

 

[Eliciel]

Watch sony pull a nintendo and never say the specs. Because it's not important haha.

I think the xbox series x is going to be beefier because of the size of that box cooling won't be a issue.

Nintendo has done to the console war and gaming what Joker did to the Turnover/Cost Ratio of any Marvel Movie in the last 5-10 years. Excelling in Something is never going to be dictated ONLY by the TERRAFLOPS

 

[diffusionx]

You're right, how dare they do their job and attempt to professionally cross check the veracity of leaks, when we can spin them on GAF based on our emotions and fanboy allegiances?

You say this like their framing of OMG ITS 9TF VS 12TF doesn't play into those emotions and fanboy allegiances. You know damn well that this was a clickbait video/article and presented as such.

 

[Dory16]

You say this like their framing of OMG ITS 9TF VS 12TF doesn't play into those emotions and fanboy allegiances. You know damn well that this was a clickbait video/article and presented as such.

The performance comparison between the 2 most relevant video game consoles is legitimately of great interest to professional video game journalists. They don't control that your feelings get hurt by them informing the general public about the difference between the products that will be available to purchase. You do.

 

[diffusionx]

The performance comparison between the 2 most relevant video game consoles is legitimately of great interest to professional video game journalists. They don't control that your feelings get hurt by them informing the general public about the difference between the products that will be available to purchase. You do.

Except there is nothing to inform. It's just speculation based on dodgy leaks. There are no actual differences to report here, so no informing.

What feelings of mine are getting hurt do you think?

 

[Journey]

Just like all the leakers and 'insiders' said XB1 was more powerful than PS4, even on the morning of Microsofts E3. If this ends up being true, hopefully all insiders and leakers are put to bed from now on, they know fuck all.

Except that only reliable sources understood that 18CU and GDDR5 ram would always beat 12CU units with DDR3 regardless of ESRAM, no secret sauce or wizardry could make up for that, there were never any rumors that Xbox One had 20CU units and GDDR6, don't get it twisted because that's a horse of a different color.

 

[Dory16]

No I did not derail it, you are derailing by making up shit. I never said MS is getting out of the console biz.... they'll probably make hardware for the time being in consoles (they're stupid services nobody is going to buy are not complete).... but its immaterial to them.... they have said this multiple times.

Xbox boss Phil Spencer on the future of gaming: “The business isn’t how many consoles you sell”

A deeper look at xCloud and Project Scarlett.

www.theverge.com

Once people get in these eco-systems it hard for them to get out in today's world which is why Uncle Nadell brought the axe to most of MS's consumer products, MS is trying to make an eco-system within an eco-system.... I remain suspect that will work, matter of fact, I would say its already failed. No difference than what they did for example in mobile.

Come back in 3-5 years, but they could give two shits as to selling a fucking console. They care about as much selling a console as they do Lumia phone, no care at all.

Microsoft CEO: "I did not get why the world needed the third ecosystem in phones" - MSPoweruser

It’s no revelation that current Microsoft CEO was against the Nokia Mobile acquisition in 2013, but in his new autobiography, Nadella revealed his thoughts at the time, which I suspected also guided his subsequent actions when he replaced Steve Ballmer in 2014. In his book, Hit Refresh, he...

mspoweruser.com

That's not my interpretation of the articles that you have quoted at all. No wonder you are being tried for pathological fanboyism. The notion that MS would spend hundreds of millions in R&D with AMD and not care about selling a console is ludicrous. We know you're not that dumb. You're drive by trolling. If you're not, then learn to read. Thanks.

 

[Bolivar687]

We're going to be so tired of hearing about flopsyclocks by the time these things actually ship.

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[Dory16]

Except there is nothing to inform. It's just speculation based on dodgy leaks. There are no actual differences to report here, so no informing.

What feelings of mine are getting hurt do you think?

This is verifiably a leak from AMD testing data. It's not "Klee" or "Pookie" or "Jayjay" saying they have the spec sheets and console A is exactly 10% more powerful than console B, like has been repeated for months on this forum without you going to war against the posters the same way you are against unanimously credible journalists who are doing their job. You would have every right to do so if you were bringing more credible information. But to whine and justify your whining by blaming their work is a sign of hurt feelings.

 

[diffusionx]

This is verifiably a leak from AMD testing data. It's not "Klee" or "Pookie" or "Jayjay" saying they have the spec sheets and console A is exactly 10% more powerful than console B, like has been repeated for months on this forum without you going to war against the posters the same way you are against unanimously credible journalists who are doing their job. You would have every right to do so if you were bringing more credible information. But to whine and justify your whining by blaming their work is a sign of hurt feelings.

Yes, I hold Eurogamer to a higher standard than I do Klee or Pookie, what a surprise.

It's clickbait and they shouldn't publish it. Do an analysis when the specs are released in full in a few months. if you think I'm crying because I'm a Sony bot think again.

 

[Dory16]

Yes, I hold Eurogamer to a higher standard than I do Klee or Pookie, what a surprise.

It's clickbait and they shouldn't publish it. Do an analysis when the specs are released in full in a few months. if you think I'm crying because I'm a Sony bot think again.

You're right that they should have the journalistic rigor to specify all the caveats and assumptions that their analysis relies on. It appears that they have, if you watch the video. They claim to have also done the source vetting that good journalism requires. I say they have trumped Klee and Pookie's level of diligence so far but I respect that you disagree.

 

[Nikana]

but what about the lies that are true....

 

[DeepEnigma]

but what about the lies that are true....

 

[dolabla]

16tflops confirmed!

 

[Jason28]

Gonna earn that Ms money. Don't believe them until the console reveal.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

First of all congrats on making a fair and balanced post. You could have easily been dancing with the crazies in the "let's dig our heads in the sand by making up fake rumours thread" but you decided to appeal to mature behaviour instead.
I just wanted to point that the chip tests were undeniably backwards compatibility related, as they used 3 different hardware configurations and the first 2 match the base PS4 and PS4 pro (logical inference by DF: the third one is the next Sony console). For that reason, the possibility of another Sony chip unaccounted for remains theoretically possible, but the idea that the tests could have been for re-purposing the chips towards the PC market is most probably not.

When you mention the compatibility speed modes, it really does put a damper on the re-purposing angle. Mainly because I highly doubt Sony would want PC GPUs that can natively play PS4 games on them (even if AMD removed the feature by default, hackers would just re-enable it).

Sony might still have some surprises in terms of their SSD solution or maybe even some 3D-Xpoint style cache (either as fast SSD or persistent RAM; this is still mainly me fantasizing about the possibility, but still). They might upclock the CPU, maybe doing some slight tuning with the GPU side. Maybe they'll increase the RAM amount or go with 20Gbps chips (dunno if Samsung are even in pre-production with those however).

But the fact those Tweets and the Github info were removed as fast as they were, just feels like a soft confirmation imho. If Sony's reveal event puts out any specs roughly in line with the deleted data, then it aught to be time to accept things for what they likely may be. FWIW though, we still don't know too much on Lockhart and I doubt some of that possible Lockhart testing data (like the bandwidth) is realistic for where they're positioning that system. And MS still needs to clarify a lot in terms of XSEX too.

 

[ethomaz]

Except MS never had the games... how you can claim it is about games when you don't have them?
I agree MS PR was always too much of nothing.

 

[ClearMind]

Can we now all agree that DF (or at least Leadbetter) have a Microsoft bias? Or should we wait till this ends up being bullshit?

 

[Nikana]

Can we now all agree that DF (or at least Leadbetter) have a Microsoft bias? Or should we wait till this ends up being bullshit?

A bias of what? Talking about rumored and possibly leaked specs?

 

[ethomaz]

Can we now all agree that DF (or at least Leadbetter) have a Microsoft bias? Or should we wait till this ends up being bullshit?

I think he was very careful and defensive in his words to not get harmed if it is a false leak.

 

[sdrawkcab]

If these specs are at all true (for the Series X), then my guess at the price being 599 makes sense. I really think the Series X console will be 599, and I hope it is. I'm tired of price holding back true generational power and gaming technology. The PS5 might very well be 399, which is fine. Though I still feel that it might be 499, but time will tell. People have roughly a year to save 599 (if Series X is really that price), which is more than reasonable if you ask me. If you can't save from now to afford that, then you might have bigger, more important issues than gaming.

And I guess this is where Lockhart fits in perfectly. If they can get Lockhart at around 350 or even 299 (more unlikely), then the jump into next-gen (even for casuals) is going to be super accessible.

 

[TeamGhobad]

Except MS never had the games... how you can claim it is about games when you don't have them?
I agree MS PR was always too much of nothing.

was mike fired? why is he so vitriolic against MS?

 

[DeepEnigma]

was mike fired? why is he so vitriolic against MS?

No, he left for Blizzard.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Sales of Xbox have been going down since the Xbox One X, the most powerful console has very little to do with anything, its only one factor.

My guess, the Switch will continue to outsell the Xbox SEX by 3-6 times and it will be less powerful.

Likely true.

Similar to how Switch has been outselling PS4 lately.

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[TeamGhobad]

Can we now all agree that DF (or at least Leadbetter) have a Microsoft bias? Or should we wait till this ends up being bullshit?

they are the ones that started 1080p vs 800p resolution war this gen, so how are they pro-MS?

 

[ethomaz]

The leak goes mainstream now
I just think all these talk about PS5 being weaker and 9TFs is great to Sony... the chances to big surprises increases a lot.

PS5 and Xbox Series X GPU and Memory Specs Leak, Report Says - IGN

A new report from Digital Foundry (via Eurogamer) has shed some new light on what may be the GPU and memory specs of both next-gen consoles.

www.ign.com

 

[ClearMind]

A bias of what? Talking about rumored and possibly leaked specs?

We had rumors that the PS5 was more powerful. Why not make a discussion about that?
We also have many different other examples of their bias. Some have even posted it in this thread.

I think he was very careful and defensive in his words to not get harmed if it is a false leak.

I honestly expect them to get protected from the xbox fanbase no matter what ends up happening.

 

[Dory16]

When you mention the compatibility speed modes, it really does put a damper on the re-purposing angle. Mainly because I highly doubt Sony would want PC GPUs that can natively play PS4 games on them (even if AMD removed the feature by default, hackers would just re-enable it).

Sony might still have some surprises in terms of their SSD solution or maybe even some 3D-Xpoint style cache (either as fast SSD or persistent RAM; this is still mainly me fantasizing about the possibility, but still). They might upclock the CPU, maybe doing some slight tuning with the GPU side. Maybe they'll increase the RAM amount or go with 20Gbps chips (dunno if Samsung are even in pre-production with those however).

But the fact those Tweets and the Github info were removed as fast as they were, just feels like a soft confirmation imho. If Sony's reveal event puts out any specs roughly in line with the deleted data, then it aught to be time to accept things for what they likely may be. FWIW though, we still don't know too much on Lockhart and I doubt some of that possible Lockhart testing data (like the bandwidth) is realistic for where they're positioning that system. And MS still needs to clarify a lot in terms of XSEX too.

Agreed. Someone must have dropped the ball at AMD with the Github dump and ran to correct their mistake after the leak. AMD will most likely invest in a secure proprietary source control system for the testers after this. As for the XSX, I've always thought that for Phil to only have the words "new benchmark for performance, speed, compatibility" to say about his new console on the game awards stage reveals something. Performance is the one area where Microsoft is confident not to be beaten this time around and they may have evidence supporting this. I would think the same if Cerny had said only those words about the PS5 in his Wired articles but he did not. Not long until the reveal events now.

 

[ethomaz]

they are the ones that started 1080p vs 800p resolution war this gen, so how are they pro-MS?

Because they were used by MS to makes the weaker console looks better than actually it is and to spread the "secret sauce" talk where the 1.84TFs vs 1.31TFs didn't means games will be better on PS4.

They too made a lot of early comparisons (biased) to make the games on XB1 looks better than on PS4... some cases get a big backslash like the Battlefield 4 where they claimed the XB1 version being better looking until they retracted saying it was a issue in their capture issues that was making the PS4 version image looks bad.



I can go on with more stories.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

Either way it’s fine for Sony.

If they are weaker then everyone is expecting it. If they are stronger then they get a nice hype moment.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Except MS never had the games... how you can claim it is about games when you don't have them?
I agree MS PR was always too much of nothing.

Sure they have. Last gen, almost all multiplats looked better on 360. ,And since X came out, most multiplats look better again.

As for first party MS and Sony games, it's hit and miss for each gen. Some good ones and some bad ones. And each company has shut down studios to boot when it gets really bad.

Each side will cherry pick when it's the right time.

Xbox gamers tout better looking games during the 360 era, since almost all of them looked better. PS gamers shut their mouths.

PS gamers tout better games looking games during the PS4/Xbox One OG years. Xbox gamers shut their mouths.

Xbox gamers tout better looking games during the PS4 Pro/X years.... although all the graphics threads seemed to die down a lot compared to above. PS gamers shut their mouths.

As for 2020, the side with the better looking games and DF nitpicking will claim supreme again. And the loser will sit their for years zipped up.

This doesn't even have to involve graphics. Any time there's a console war topic worth arguing about, the winner laughs, the loser pouts.

360 RRoD. PS gamers laugh and bring it up.

PS3 internet hack debacle. XBox gamers laugh and bring it up

MS charges money for Gold, when PS3 MP was free. PS gamers laugh

Sony decides to copy them and charge money for PS4 MP gaming with PS+ fees. Xbox gamers laugh

 

[Nikana]

We had rumors that the PS5 was more powerful. Why not make a discussion about that?
We also have many different other examples of their bias. Some have even posted it in this thread.


I honestly expect them to get protected from the xbox fanbase no matter what ends up happening.

They did talk about ps5 especially around the Wired article time and its power. But again, DF doesn't like to report on anything unless they can get some sort of confirmation. If they can't confirm it this is exactly why they might not of made a video.

Time will tell.

 

[ClearMind]

they are the ones that started 1080p vs 800p resolution war this gen, so how are they pro-MS?

Even then, their rethoric was always that the PS4 was only "slightly" more powerful when in the 360/PS3 era they went ham with a double digit resolution difference.

They are honestly all over the place in their reporting but have some tendencies to favour some brands. Trash ports for the switch included.

 

[Jason28]

Guys, use logic. If that would be true and the difference would be 3 TF between PS5 and S SeX, Ms would know it and would scream from every corner about Power Crown, instead of most powerfull xbox PR bullshit.

 

[Nikana]

Guys, use logic. If that would be true and the difference would be 3 TF between PS5 and S SeX, Ms would know it and would scream from every corner about Power Crown, instead of most powerfull xbox PR bullshit.

How would Microsoft know it? The advertising campaign hasn't even started so they very well could start touting that as it comes closer to launch.

 

[DeepEnigma]

How would Microsoft know it? The advertising campaign hasn't even started so they very well could start touting that as it comes closer to launch.

Current devkits are out in the wild, they have an idea.

If us lowly gamers are getting "leaks", I am sure they are well schooled in what's in each other's devkits right now.

 

[ClearMind]

How would Microsoft know it? The advertising campaign hasn't even started so they very well could start touting that as it comes closer to launch.

The gaming market is not that big. Both of them know almost exactly what the other one is doing unless they are hiding information from third party devs.

 

[ethomaz]

was mike fired? why is he so vitriolic against MS?

Well he went to Blizzard so maybe he is being honest something he can't before.
He wrote a bit more about.

 

[ClearMind]

Current devkits are out in the wild. I am sure they have an idea.

If us lowly gamers are getting "leaks", I am sure they are well schooled in what's in each other's devkits right now.

Im honestly suprised we have no concrete leaks/dokumentations for the consoles from some third party dev. Those github test are bottom tier news when the actual devkits are out in the wild.

 

[Jason28]

How would Microsoft know it?

Because they are the major players in the gaming business and they know for sure , the same goes for Sony, relationships, contacts, insiders, etc.

They are honestly all over the place in their reporting but have some tendencies to favour some brands. Trash ports for the switch included.

Yep, did they made at least one video about PS5 being more powerfull than X SeX, after all those rumours we got surfing the net ?

 

[zufuel]

 

[Nikana]

The gaming market is not that big. Both of them know almost exactly what the other one is doing unless they are hiding information from third party devs.

OK but lets imagine a scenario where they are wrong and then go about advertising something that's wrong. You wait until you are 1000 percent certain. Leaks and Rumors aren't facts until they are confirmed.

 

[Jason28]

OK but lets imagine a scenario where they are wrong and then go about advertising something that's wrong. You wait until you are 1000 percent certain.

Microsoft sent PR images with xbone being the most powerfull console ever before 2013, so no they don't need it. A 3 TF difference is big enough so they would know about it, if it would be true (which it is not)

 

[01011001]

Sony is doing the same thing as last gen.
They just quietly do their own thing and let MS hype up their new console while they keep their cards close to themselves until the official reveal.

wait what? but... Sony revealed first last time... like... we knew nothing concrete about the Xbox One before the PS4 was revealed.

 

[ColonialRaptor]

I usually like DF but this is a poo video. Analysis on nothing is just idiotic what were they thinking.

 

[Nikana]

Microsoft sent PR images with xbone being the most powerfull console ever before 2013, so no they don't need it. A 3 TF difference is big enough so they would know about it, if it would be true (which it is not)

A. I don't ever recall those images but I could be wrong. B. Nobody knows if its true or not yet. C. Everything about the original Xbox One Pitch was a disaster. They won't follow the same plan.