HeisenbergFX4
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He also said we did the math its 2x the X.
So either he feels its hard for everyone to figure out 6 x 2 = 12 or he is speaking in PR.
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He also said we did the math its 2x the X.
So either he feels its hard for everyone to figure out 6 x 2 = 12 or he is speaking in PR.
BruceWayneIII
Member
IIRC, they stated 2x the console. And also 4x the CPU, but haven't explicitly said 2x the GPU. Or is memory playing me a trick?
TeamGhobad
Banned
no phil specifically said 2x the gpu of the X.
Spencer told us, "We wanted to have a dramatic upgrade from the Xbox One base console. So when we do the math, we're over eight times the GPU power of the Xbox One, and two times what an Xbox One X is."
Xbox Series X Specs: Twice As Powerful As Xbox One X
In terms of tech specs, Xbox Series X will be a massive upgrade over current-gen consoles, Phil Spencer tells us.
www.gamespot.com
but here is the problem:
8*1.31 = 10.5 OG XO
8*1.40 =11.2 XO S
not 12 teraflops...
edit: He did say OVER eight times so ya 12/1.31 = 9.2 and 12/1.40= 8.6
so ya it make sense he's talking about xbox model s with 1.4 teraflops. the vcr model doesn't exist apparently anymore according to them. it all lines up.
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SportsFan581
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They did specifically say 2xgpu and 4xcpu, that can still be interpreted in different ways. The systems are powerful, I'm not loosing sleep over a performance difference, so long as the designs are reasonably well thought out. The reason why the PS4 and Xbone are so different in performance is not just the GPU but the memory situation.
the Xbone X and s GPUs are locked to each other. The X is 4.29 x more powerful than the S (in TF). If Xbox PR says that the XSX is 2 x the power of Xbone X that automatically implies that it is 8.58% more powerful than the base model (hence more than 8). This doesn't change based on whether or not PR was being literal or figurative.
the Xbone X and s GPUs are locked to each other. The X is 4.29 x more powerful than the S (in TF). If Xbox PR says that the XSX is 2 x the power of Xbone X that automatically implies that it is 8.58% more powerful than the base model (hence more than 8). This doesn't change based on whether or not PR was being literal or figurative.
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BruceWayneIII
Member
no phil specifically said 2x the gpu of the X.
Spencer told us, "We wanted to have a dramatic upgrade from the Xbox One base console. So when we do the math, we're over eight times the GPU power of the Xbox One, and two times what an Xbox One X is."
Xbox Series X Specs: Twice As Powerful As Xbox One X
In terms of tech specs, Xbox Series X will be a massive upgrade over current-gen consoles, Phil Spencer tells us.
but here is the problem:
8*1.31 = 10.5 OG XO
8*1.40 =11.2 XO S
not 12 teraflops...
Yeah, now I remember, thanks. Well, we are given a range of GPU power. Time will tell.
Gudji
Member
He said back in March that Dante (XSX) devkits were out, which is a lie.
He also uses a lot the words "I think" and "maybe". And like you said, he is biased!
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Nickolaidas
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What makes you so certain that the PS5 will be 399?
joe_zazen
Member
lol, no. Blow drives a $300 000 gasoline engine beast. He really needs to remember to put the roof up when parking in the street.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Who said it's going to be $399?
That's a rumor and not an official statement from Sony.
Github data could be old or it could be new. If you have people such as Jason saying it's close and others who have been verified basically stating the same thing, then I have enough reason to consider all things instead of completely ruling anything out.
no phil specifically said 2x the gpu of the X.
Spencer told us, "We wanted to have a dramatic upgrade from the Xbox One base console. So when we do the math, we're over eight times the GPU power of the Xbox One, and two times what an Xbox One X is."
Xbox Series X Specs: Twice As Powerful As Xbox One X
In terms of tech specs, Xbox Series X will be a massive upgrade over current-gen consoles, Phil Spencer tells us.
But he didn't say 12. Even at 10TF on next gen hardware, it's better than two times the GPU power of the X.
TeamGhobad
Banned
that would be the price point for a 9.2 machine.
we already had this discussion. a teraflop is a teraflop. 12 has been confirmed by other sources too. Arden leak, early learks, insiders, ect ect its 12.
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Reindeer
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Really not sure why Phil Spencer would be expecting your average consumer to do that architecture maths, that would just be terrible PR. I'm pretty sure it's tflops to tflops as many sources also claim it's 12 tflops of Navi. This whole mental gymnastics with GCN and RDNA comparison doesn't make much sense.no phil specifically said 2x the gpu of the X.
Spencer told us, "We wanted to have a dramatic upgrade from the Xbox One base console. So when we do the math, we're over eight times the GPU power of the Xbox One, and two times what an Xbox One X is."
Xbox Series X Specs: Twice As Powerful As Xbox One X
In terms of tech specs, Xbox Series X will be a massive upgrade over current-gen consoles, Phil Spencer tells us.
but here is the problem:
8*1.31 = 10.5 OG XO
8*1.40 =11.2 XO S
not 12 teraflops...
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chemical boy
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In a few days there will be many people who will lose all credibility .... and I'm not talking about Klee or Osiris
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Licensing is the biggest hurdle. Sunk costs and all that. It is why it's drip-fed on MS as well, instead of flicking a switch for the whole catalog to be worked into their BC conversion. They have to approach each individual IP, it's a big time sunk task.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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It literally says 12 TF RDNA in the Github docs though.
Honestly I would like both consoles to hit that but I'd like at least one system to do it. Currently out of the two it seems MS would be more willing to hit a 12 TF target, at a higher price.
joe_zazen
Member
pr is all about leaving lasting impressions, not truth.
& ms pr speak is amazing at twisting stuff. They are first class that way, which is why i do not give them the benefit of the doubt. It could be 9.2 and the pr messaging not be a lie.
time will tell.
Reindeer
Member
You seem so sure, are you an insider too?
Reindeer
Member
Only problem being of course nobody claimed it's 9 tflops for Series X, all the leaks and all the insiders indicate it will be around 12. This whole 9 tflops figure for Series X is only brought up by people who are doing mental gymnastics with different architectures.
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joe_zazen
Member
and dev kits are dev kits, retail units are retail units.
but yes, i am of the opinion too that ms’ two tier strat means they will have most power, unless sony is willing to subsidize big time.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You're not understand.
You said Phil said "12TF", but we're telling you that he never said that.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I am quite convinced MS will have more power.
I am not convinced it is the massive gulf that some are thinking over a Github post though I could be wrong.
I am in the camp of within 10% of each other.
All my guesses mind you.
TeamGhobad
Banned
yep you're right i dont understand..
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Thanks for understanding.
joe_zazen
Member
Saying “9.2 rdna TF with give you twice the gaming power of 6 gnc” is true, as is stating 6tfX2=12. Both cases, pr is not lying.
also true: nobody outside of insiders has the numbers yet of either retail units.
And i like not knowing, lol. It makes these threads fun. Once we have real, concrete numbers all this stuff becomes super boring DF pixel counting noise.
Reindeer
Member
Once again, all the insiders and all the leaked info indicate it will be around 12 tflops RDNA. Not one credible person said it's 12 tflops GCN or 9 tflops RDNA. Plus we have the leaked info that show Arden having 56 CUs which more than likely means they're targeting 12 tflops Navi.
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Would definitely like PS5 to be stronger then XSX, as that is console I am definitely looking to buy. Not that 9.2TF v 12TF will matter so much, but I always had better 3rd party performing system in each gen.
Would also be perfect if Lockhart existed so I can get cheap 1080p system for games I cant play on PS5.
Would also be perfect if Lockhart existed so I can get cheap 1080p system for games I cant play on PS5.
chemical boy
Member
You seem so sure, are you an insider too?
No, but I know who I have to pay attention to based on his history, there are many people who don't know anything and follow people like Hmqgg who has already proven to lie in the past.
TeamGhobad
Banned
I would like to add that XSX might be 600dollars which is not good if you want a big install base and a 4tflop system is not really all that appealing.
unless MS is willing to take a big hit and release it at 399 or maybe 449 not sure they will gain ground all that fast.
unless MS is willing to take a big hit and release it at 399 or maybe 449 not sure they will gain ground all that fast.
Reindeer
Member
You have a logical stance, just remember everyone can wrong at least once.
Gamernyc78
Banned
You are wasting your time with this one, the force is definitely strong. Your suppose to forget all the info from some credible insiders and go with the github bcus of reasons
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Almost every "insider" is wrong at times.
Nickolaidas
Member
But we don't know it's going to be a 9.2 TF machine.
demigod
Member
I guess that's a no on the bet? So much for DF CREDIBILITY.
TeamGhobad
Banned
all dox show it is.
Reindeer
Member
Of course, but if an insider proclaims his truthfulness and claims those who disagree with him are definitely wrong should no longer be trusted if he proves to be wrong. Unless you know things for certain then you should not be so overly confident. I hope Klee is right as he claims to be.
policestationx
Banned
$500-$600 console price is a bad news in the market where Nintendo Switch exist.
At least for Microsoft, Lockhart seems to be their safety solution.
At least for Microsoft, Lockhart seems to be their safety solution.
Airbus Jr
Banned
PS5 and Series X are supposed to compete with high end PC or at least close enough to it
If $500-$600 is what it takes to get there im ok with it
Switch are closer to mobile platform
Theyre heading into different trajectory at this point
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Supposing those latest leaks hold true:
XSEX: $499
PS5: $399
Lockhart: $200-$299 (preferably $200-$249)
XSEX: $499
PS5: $399
Lockhart: $200-$299 (preferably $200-$249)
CasperDarling
Member
To be fair the same thing can be said about Matt and his Sony fanboyism. Works both ways
Fake
Member
You're making mistake. If Matt spoke good or bad about Sony is up with him, but when a Xbox fanboy talk about a leak to put PS5 in worst way possible OR a Playstation fanboy talk about a leak to put Xbox series X in bad way as well.
We expect insiders from Sony to talk about Sony console because is what they have at the same way we expect insiders from Microsoft to talk about Microsoft console because is what they have. If you pay attention, most of the fake insiders are more focus on bad PR leaks rather than spoke good about their preference console.
Just like the last 'datamine'. Xbox series X being a 12TF was a great info for the Xbox community to talk about, instead they're got more focus about PS5 being 9TF and not have ray tracing rather than Xbox series get a monster spec.
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ruvikx
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I'm literally the only person on the planet (I think) who wasn't bothered by Sony's "$599" PS3 back in 2006. I never understand how or why console gamers live in a bubble where literal bargain basement console prices are expected... whilst single games can cost upwards of $60 when new. I mean $599 for a TV in current year tech market is considered "mid-range", yet apparently consoles need to be dirt cheap "or else the manufacturer is doomed".
I would have happily signed-up for a $599 (599 euros here) higher spec PS4 if it meant no Pro model & games with consistent fps + resolution for the duration of the gen. This past gen was quite frankly borderline disgraceful, i.e. we pay $399 in 2013 for a console which was borderline neglected once the Pro was released (for example Assassin Creed Origin looks better & runs better on the base ps4 than Odyssey does).
Just give us powerful tech, let the prices drop year after year (as happened with the ps3) & build games based upon that shared hardware. That's all I ask for. I don't ask for a low spec console at a low price then expect to buy another upgraded console 3 years later just to play games properly.
Kacho
Gold Member
Yep. Matt and Klee run constant damage control on REE.
Look forward to getting concrete info so we can ignore faux insiders.
Fake
Member
Only about the director from God of War 'like' the tweet from Sony CES.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Wait, you're actually betting me that Xbox series X doesn't have true hardware ray tracing that is not at all the same as what's done with the 1080 Ti?
Editing the above to make it more clear where we disagree. Are you implying Xbox Series X does Ray Tracing more like how the 1080 Ti does it (mostly through software and GPU compute shader that is way less performant compared to a true hardware solution), and is not hardware accelerated in a true sense? If so, I'm betting on the opposite that xbox series x 110% has real hardware ray tracing capability.
I'm game. What's the bet? Let's really have some fun on this one.
And not claiming insider etc, but anybody expecting the Xbox series x to be weaker than the PS5, or even to not be that much more capable in comparison to PS5 if the new Xbox does turn out to be stronger? That should be specific enough to get what I'm saying.
People who are certain that either of those two scenarios will be the outcome may be highly disappointed soon depending on how important it is to them. I'm just sitting back to enjoy the ride because I know I'll own both, but the more CLEARLY powerful of these two consoles is already decided I think.
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joe_zazen
Member
my view as well. Switch is a portable with what amounts to an hdmi out. And since they have the whole dedicated portable market to themselves, it doesn’t matter what sony or ms do in 2020, Nintendo is On rock solid ground. Switch is gibraltar.
unfortunately, no real competition means N doesnt have to invest much in services, software, or hardware. Nor do they have to have competitive game pricing. Monopolies always suck for consumer, which is why i never got the celebrations when sony hh division died. Imagine a world where only phone you could buy was iphone. Even apple fans would have to admit that would shit.
although, what if lockhurt is actually a hybrid like switch, but 4TF & with the backing of trillion dollar MS?
demigod
Member
Wait, you're actually betting me that Xbox series X doesn't have true hardware ray tracing that is not at all the same as what's done with the 1080 Ti?
Editing the above to make it more clear where we disagree. Are you implying Xbox Series X does Ray Tracing more like how the 1080 Ti does it (mostly through software and GPU compute shader that is way less performant compared to a true hardware solution), and is not hardware accelerated in a true sense? If so, I'm betting on the opposite that xbox series x 110% has real hardware ray tracing capability.
I'm game. What's the bet? Let's really have some fun on this one.
And not claiming insider etc, but anybody expecting the Xbox series x to be weaker than the PS5, or even to not be that much more capable in comparison to PS5 if the new Xbox does turn out to be stronger? That should be specific enough to get what I'm saying.
People who are certain that either of those two scenarios will be the outcome may be highly disappointed soon depending on how important it is to them. I'm just sitting back to enjoy the ride because I know I'll own both, but the more CLEARLY powerful of these two consoles is already decided I think.
it_wasn't_me
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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake! OT
I know. I guess I’m just trying to manage my own expectations. I’m very excited to see the full reveal and how the final console shapes up.
www.resetera.com
TheStruggler
Report me for trolling ND/TLoU2 threads
What were Klees original statements?
TeamGhobad
Banned
ps5 10% more powerful on gpu, better RT and so on.
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