TeamGhobad
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maybe impossible but 499 is not. and if sony is 499 as well. its checkmate.
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StreetsofBeige
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I think most of these insiders are full of shit, but one thing that does stand out as peculiar.
The github leaks were taken down.
Like any stupid video game rumour out there, if the info being thrown around is off, nobody seems to give a shit if it's on message boards for gamers to go wild.
But when there's secret data, a gameplay leak, or something like that, the game companies come roaring in taking it down..... which github info was too.
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That figure has been circulating duo to mutliplier given by MS "4xCPU" "2xX GPU" "1.5xRAM".
What he reported in November was specifically because this was confirmation of Navi TF. Whole different ballgame then "2 x X GPU", thats why it gained traction.
No body really bought 12TF in summer because we know 10TFNavi is ~180W card.
Reindeer
Member
No. This figure with details was out there since February. It wasn't Windows Central, Tom Warren or Dealer (as TimDog claims) that came up with these numbers first. It was old news that people are just taking credit for. It was actually a French site that leaked these details first.
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xool
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If it was me I'd do more specs and some trailers, but no box .. keep people thirsty
Fortuneelsewhere
Member
Funny you mention Klee as Sony fanboys God as the information he shared was always positive regarding the two consoles. His first comments were about the game he saw and how good it looked. Only when people started asking him about which console was more powerful that he said that both were on par with a slight edge to PS5.
For whatever reason that was not enough for some who engaged in several accusations against him.
Interesting enough those some people are the ones that now take the github leek as gospel even if the information provided is far from conclusive and continue insisting in downplaying all the indications from several insiders that report both machines having very similar specs and power.
It seems to me that some are so hungry for Xbox to have better specs that can’t help themselves falling in some bizarre narratives and behaviors.
Will see soon enough but for me is a given that both machines will be great and very near in power.
Ps: another thing... is my feeling that in the end of the day when is all said and done, Lockhart will go down in history as vapor war...
Kazekage1981
Member
Do you guys think that both Xsex and PS5 will have a decent launch? Decent launch meaning:
1) Besides backwards compatible games, a decent number of new and quality launch games covering plethora of genres: racing, sports, fighting, rpg etc (Sega Dreamcast launch was the best! 9.9.99 baby!)
2) No hardware flaws or issues (ex: red ring of death, wifi not working, etc)
If Lockhart is true, then it's really throwing a wrench because I dont get it. 4 TFLOPS vs Xbone X 6TFLOPS? WTF?
1) Besides backwards compatible games, a decent number of new and quality launch games covering plethora of genres: racing, sports, fighting, rpg etc (Sega Dreamcast launch was the best! 9.9.99 baby!)
2) No hardware flaws or issues (ex: red ring of death, wifi not working, etc)
If Lockhart is true, then it's really throwing a wrench because I dont get it. 4 TFLOPS vs Xbone X 6TFLOPS? WTF?
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vpance
Member
Can't forget about Reiner and Moriarty. Journalists with legit industry connections.
And since nothing has changed since E3 after the target specs leaked, that basically tells you enough.
Tiago07
Member
Apparently he is not a trustable insider
CyberPanda
Banned
Yep
SportsFan581
Member
The funniest thing, is that with so much information floating around in both fanboy camps, there's got to be some bad misinformation on both sides.
As a general gamer on the sidelines, I'd let the insiders do there thing right, left, and center and just wait for official reveal announcements and pricing. It's fun to prognosticate a bit here and there, but you must allow for the fact that even the most researched and reasonable guesses could be so wide of the mark that it isn't funny. These suckers could have the power of a pot of potatoes and still be $1,500, just out of pure corporate greed.
If you get your heart set on specific specs, XTF, XGB RAM, etc. you might be disappointed (not to mention make a fool of yourself trolling teh forums). I have fun making horrible, off-the-mark guesses, but I don't set my mind to the figures I've imagined.
As a general gamer on the sidelines, I'd let the insiders do there thing right, left, and center and just wait for official reveal announcements and pricing. It's fun to prognosticate a bit here and there, but you must allow for the fact that even the most researched and reasonable guesses could be so wide of the mark that it isn't funny. These suckers could have the power of a pot of potatoes and still be $1,500, just out of pure corporate greed.
If you get your heart set on specific specs, XTF, XGB RAM, etc. you might be disappointed (not to mention make a fool of yourself trolling teh forums). I have fun making horrible, off-the-mark guesses, but I don't set my mind to the figures I've imagined.
Hawking Radiation
Member
These guys are either mods or games media editors. Klee has also been verified by the mods on Resetera. These are people in the know on whats going on. Jason Schreier states that the was told PS5 and Scarlett are both above 10TF's whereas the Github leaks put the PS5 at 9.2TFs. I doubt Jason would put in jeopardy his Resetera account to spread FUD, the same with the other insiders.
Tom Warren around E3 last year posted the PS5 devkit being around 13TF's and Xbox Series X around 12TF.
If you have this many people in the know all singing the same tune then clearly there has to be some truth to it.
The github leaks probably contained 'some' information that was accurate and probably the reason for why it was taken down. However i believe that not everything in that document is correct.
Again Matt posted to not take the github leaks as being accurate. Again, a mod won't go out of their way to spread misinformation.
You're free to believe what you want regarding the insiders. Its just like i said before, too many of them have been singing the same tune for a few months now.
Actually I was talking about this one :
Posted on Reddit before Jeux Video rumor (which looked like it was copied word for word).
Reindeer
Member
It's actually 5 tflops vs 6 tflops whje architecture differences are taken into account. If this tflop number is correct then it just indicates that Lockhart is targeting 1080p. That number is probably enough to do 1080p next gen, although the should give it more headroom so it doesn't end up in the same situation as base Xbox One which runs many of latest games at 720p 20-30fps.
BattleScar
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Getting the details or dates of press conferences or reveals is what I would expect Journalists like Tom Warren to get right.
I would not however, expect them to get anything concrete on hardware specifications. Certainly wouldn't expect them to understand whatever information they have about hardware, unless it's coming from Dr. Ian Cutress of Anandtech or something.
I would not however, expect them to get anything concrete on hardware specifications. Certainly wouldn't expect them to understand whatever information they have about hardware, unless it's coming from Dr. Ian Cutress of Anandtech or something.
Reindeer
Member
It just proves that this info was out there for a long time and someone had it before the guys I mentioned.
Kazekage1981
Member
You dont think Microsoft is screwing themselves over with Lockhart? You will now have: Xbox Anaconda SKU, Xbox Lockhart SKU, Xbox One X, Xbox One. How would an average gamer distinguish between Lockhart and Xbox One X if One X markets itself as "4K gaming" while lockhart does not?
Jurnos can be wrong, they have been quite a few times, especially when flops and mbs are concerened. For them, its all too abstract.
Klee is verified as a ex jurno, who stopped with being one back in 2000.
JS said "they are both shooting above Stadia TF number". Now, when he posted this dev kit Sony sent contained 13TF Vegas. He might got info back then, which was true, but 13TF Vega is not 13TF RDNA. Actually, card found in Oberon leak beats 13TF Vega 64 with EASE.
Tom Warren said he was only spreading twitter rumors on "13TF dev kit". Which, actually collaborate with early 13TF Vega kits that were sent and which Jason might have had info on.
So again, nothing concrete. Shooting for, aiming, roundabout etc. AMD github leak is all about numbers. Bits and bytes
Hawking Radiation
Member
Not. A. Fucking. Chance.
Both PS5 and Xbox Series whatever (X or S) will be high quality machines in terms of build quality and performance.
Microsoft is on a roll with hardware. One X is a beautiful, quiet beast and the console screams premium to me. They're just building on this now with Series X which i expect to be a solidly built console.
Sony has had alot of negative backlash regarding PS4 and PS4 Pro and the quality of the console. They have built up a sizeable userbase with PS4 and it would be corporate suicide to continue to pump out consoles with poor cooling methods and a decidely less premium feel compared to the competition.
They have even come out and said that PS5 will be a premium console so expect high build quality on PS5 with improved cooling.
Either way both will be fighting for your hard earned dollars and expect both MS and Sony to go balls in on every front.
Reindeer
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I think consumers are much smarter today with numbering as almost all the tech has confusing product names. A lot will also depend on how Microsoft will attempt to simplify that process/choice.
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Fake
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God...
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Consumers are smarter these days and when there's an obvious price difference a simple Google search will help them.
Hawking Radiation
Member
Noted.Jurnos can be wrong, they have been quite a few times, especially when flops and mbs are concerened. For them, its all too abstract.
Klee is verified as a ex jurno, who stopped with being one back in 2000.
JS said "they are both shooting above Stadia TF number". Now, when he posted this dev kit Sony sent contained 13TF Vegas. He might got info back then, which was true, but 13TF Vega is not 13TF RDNA. Actually, card found in Oberon leak beats 13TF Vega 64 with EASE.
Tom Warren said he was only spreading twitter rumors on "13TF dev kit". Which, actually collaborate with early 13TF Vega kits that were sent and which Jason might have had info on.
So again, nothing concrete. Shooting for, aiming, roundabout etc. AMD github leak is all about numbers. Bits and bytes
However there have been talks that both PS5 and Xbox Series X is very close in power. Is Series X not hitting 12TF RDNA? That would put PS5 at around the same performance ballpark no?
If both machines are very close in power (basically what everyone in the know has been saying) then that would mean PS5 is also around 12TF RDNA, maybe more, maybe less but not sitting at 9.2TF as per Github leaks.
That huge gulf in power would have been made known by people in the know but we have been hearing anything but that. This is why i say there has to be truth to what these guys have been saying all along. Both are going to be the same, next gen power twins with secret sauce tech differentiating them in the end.
Maybe both Series X and PS5 is sitting at 9.2 TF RDNA or RDNA2 ? If so that would be a straight out of left field. The forums would implode.
Tiago07
Member
Man the thing that kill this info for me is "... I don't know if PS5 will have Ray Tracing...", when everyone knows that Sony confirmed the HW RT
Kacho
Gold Member
That was confirmed back in January 2019?
Tiago07
Member
Nope but if he knows the specs, he knows that...
Why Sony would change this information suddenly ?
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Kazekage1981
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The point is, consumers should not be confused by default and should not have to do a google search or extra whatever to make a clear distinction that Xbox whatever is a new shinier, better console. With PlayStation: Playstation 5 is newer than PS4 and PS4Pro cause its the number 5. And of course they will see it on display, and try the games out for themselves to further drive home a solid sale-buy.
As Reindeer stated, its going to be up to Microsoft to really market and communicate effectively what the purpose of Lockhart is to distinguish itself from Xbox One X. If Lockhart is 4TFLOPS (i know its not the same TFLOPS as Xbox One X cause of RDNA) then they have several marketing hurdles and barriers to overcome.
Lockart could be analogous to flagship phone launches from apple and samsung. What would Lockhart be: Iphone SE? Samsung mid-range phones?
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Kacho
Gold Member
The recent Github leaks had no mention of hardware RT either.
Reindeer
Member
A lot of that info proved to be correct and some unconfirmed stuff was backed up by other insiders, so we can at least give him credit for that.
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TeamGhobad
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that info is old. he just leaked what he had heard at the time. plans change.
Tiago07
Member
As the Heisenberg posted with Komachi tweet, probably DF info is wrong. And Sony confirms the RT so probably Github information is wrong too
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Kacho
Gold Member
Or they’re using a custom solution.
Im not saying that Reddit leak is legit, but as time goes on it’s looking like it might be. We’ll know for sure in February.
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Reindeer
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Nobody denies that, we just don't know what price they're targeting. So until price is up for debate so are the tflops.
Tiago07
Member
Yep plans can change, but add RT in project aiming $399 that doesn't have it, would increase the value too. That is what I think
Achillias
Member
Everything is up for debate as long those specifications aren't released. But it looks likely Microsoft will have their 12TF console. The debate is mostly if Sony is going to follow. Which I doubt.
Reindeer
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Sony don't need to match it, they could just release a 10.5-11 tflops machine at cheaper price and be just fine.
SportsFan581
Member
I don't think the new consoles will overlap with the old for 3 or 4 years. With full backwards compat, why would they? IF the 2 Sku Xbox rumors are true, I would expect them to kill one s and one x really quickly.
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Nothing in github is wrong. Test done on Oberon had nothing to do with RT, thus no RT. AMD repo from Github is 100% legit. It contained so much info that you would need months to put that all in. It also contained AMD employee data, future PC chips etc.
Ovech-King
Member
Pumping out only 4tflops with 12gb of GDDR6 is as suspicious as maxing at only 8tflops specially in a new generation machine. It sounds off in both ways so that year old post is most probably fake.
joe_zazen
Member
does it say ‘ps5 retail chip = ‘’? Or do we need assumptions to get there?
ps5 could totally be 9.2. But that is not a dead cert as of 01/02/2020
MarkMe2525
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"When idle, the 17-inch notebook is very quiet or silent most of the time. However, under load, the device becomes uncomfortably loud." Review of the first laptop you listed.
You just gathered a list of extremely powerful and noisy laptops that does not prove your point.
Tiago07
Member
If everything in Github is true, why we still debate the PS5 and XseX specs, it's because we don't agree with that. And if Github is right and have no RT in PS5 why Sony was the first company to tell about Ray Tracing even before MS ? Why is Sony lying about RT in PS5 since he doesn't have this feature ???
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
With all the PS5 9.2TF info floating around. Maybe it's legit.
But what stops AMD and Sony having another set of R&D specs under testing that has Series X performance, but it simply hasn't been leaked yet?
People assume this 9.2TF info leak is locked and loaded and the only thing AMD/Sony has tested ever.
But what stops AMD and Sony having another set of R&D specs under testing that has Series X performance, but it simply hasn't been leaked yet?
People assume this 9.2TF info leak is locked and loaded and the only thing AMD/Sony has tested ever.
Tiago07
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Sorry for any grammatical error, english is my second language
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TeamGhobad
Banned
oh man blast from the past
demigod
Member
You really need to stop with this narrative. Sure the Github can be accurate, but its most likely to be outdated info. I’m 100% certain this was supposed to be the chip for 2019. It makes 0 sense to release 9.2TF in 2020 at $399 when they could’ve released it this year.
Care to bet a game on the 9.2TF since you’re so sure of this info?
Here’s what I think happened. Sony planned on doing midgen refresh again but they probably saw that the midgen refresh didn’t sell as well as they’d hoped so they scrapped that idea and also didn’t want to lose the power advantage to MS again. 8K won’t be here by midgen refresh either. The PS4 Pro was a test bed for them.
Insiders have stated the PS5 is more powerful, xbox chip designer most likely got sacked and ended up at intel. You don’t leave like that when the console is almost out. If you consider it done already, then that means MS aren’t making any changes 1 and a half year before release. Target specs points to PS5 being stronger.
Insiders >>> DF
Mark Cerny >>>>>> John Sell
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
People are really overthinking this. Do people really know the difference between the two latest iPhones or galaxies? The hardcore do but the 90 percent of average consumers know it has a bigger screen and that's it.
If you are interested in Lockhart then you don't care about ot what a teraflop is and are interested in price.
saintjules
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That would be smart for sure. Really interested in their angle. Reveal the box or no? I think E3 should be specifically for price reveal and game announcement, with a touch on prior topics on hardware.
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