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[Bernkastel]

Im sorry did i miss sonys full ps5 reveal? also why would sony deviate from there previous generation strategys... theyve always had exclusive software to support and showcase what the new hardware is capable of even in its early stages.. i suggest looking at their portfolio starting with ps2 > ps3> ps4 there were launch ready exclusives in each of those previous gens that were not cross gen... some of u come up with anything to make yourselves feel better about some of the odd decisions xbox makes. rather it works out for them or not is irrelevant but dont lump in sony or make assumptions, they are the industy leader and when youre in a position of #1 if it isnt broken dont fix it....

You sure about the PS3 part ?

Sony releases details on PS3 first-party launch titles

www.neowin.net

Do you think Naughty Dog, SSM, Bend or Sucker Punch will magically have titles available at launch ?

 

[CatLady]

Another forbes contributor shilling for MS..Sony Too, is a bad and false argument. Sony will have PS5 exclusives at launch. Having Ps5 exclusives does not mean there will be NO ps4 games, see every other sony console.... It's possible to "GASP" do both.

So Sony is going to have PS4 exclusive games that won't be on the PS5????

 

[Ryu Kaiba]

Dunno why you are using this template but the Xbox One first party support thing is only for the first year.

2 years
That's a long time.
Meanwhile Sony has a lot of quality studios that have been quietly working for quite a while.

 

[Ryu Kaiba]

Basically it's a Game Pass Box, I'd rather have a PS5 with Backwards compatibility and Sony 1st party PS5 Games.

 

[Aidah]

So Sony is going to have PS4 exclusive games that won't be on the PS5????

I'd assume he means some cross-gen and some PS5 only.

 

[Ryu Kaiba]

"Hey guys, we will force you to buy these launch titles on PS5 that were designed with PS4 hardware in mind and ported over to PS5" apparently seems to make fans happy.

It's pretty clear where Sony's studios were done with PS4 and moved on to PS5. PS5 will have games built with PS5 in mind within the first year let alone 2.

 

[Raziel]

its wasnt, there were several more. not to mention games like Titanfall and even Rise of the Tomb Raider were released on the 360 and lets just say MS definitely had a word on this.

Titanfall and Tomb Raider weren’t first party developed or published. I’m all ears for the several more.

 

[Bernkastel]

It's pretty clear where Sony's studios were done with PS4 and moved on to PS5. PS5 will have games built with PS5 in mind within the first year let alone 2.

Because apparently it takes a year or two to build games.

 

[Bernkastel]

2 years
That's a long time.
Meanwhile Sony has a lot of quality studios that have been quietly working for quite a while.

He said two years from now, which until the end of 2021.

 

[Ryu Kaiba]

A whole lot of discussion here on something that will not impact sales, games, or even enjoyment of the platform. Just posturing by people who want to put one company on a pedestal over another.

too bad an impact to sales is what Xbox needs

 

[CatLady]

I'd assume he means some cross-gen and some PS5 only.

Ohh, so just how many of these amazing, unbelievable next gen only 1st party PS5 exclusives will there be if their studios are split between those and some awful cross gen games developed to play on the base PS4?

 

[Bernkastel]

too bad an impact to sales is what Xbox needs

You mean an impact on sales is what GAF wants to fuel there console wars.

 

[Ryu Kaiba]

He said two years from now, which until the end of 2021.

No he said "for the first 2 years."
And Naughty Dog and Guerrilla are now more then one team.

 

[Ryu Kaiba]

Ohh, so just how many of these amazing, unbelievable next gen only 1st party PS5 exclusives will there be if their studios are split between those and some awful cross gen games developed to play on the base PS4?

Only Sucker Punch and Half of Naughty Dog are still working on PS4 games that will become cross gen, the rest have moved on to on PS5 some for years.

 

[Bernkastel]

No he said "for the first 2 years."
And Naughty Dog and Guerrilla are now more then one team.

There were still 4 years between Last of Us 2 and Uncharted 4.
Also,

“As our content comes out over the next year, two years, all of our games, sort of like PC, will play up and down that family of devices,” Booty explains. “We want to make sure that if someone invests in Xbox between now and [Series X] that they feel that they made a good investment and that we’re committed to them with content.”

 

[Aidah]

Ohh, so just how many of these amazing, unbelievable next gen only 1st party PS5 exclusives will there be if their studios are split between those and some awful cross gen games developed to play on the base PS4?

Couldn't tell you. I don't work at Playstation.

 

[Chiggs]

Sorry, but Forbes is literally dismissing how bad this is for Xbox SeX owners who will spend a good amount of money just to have their exclusives be downgraded for the sake of "playing up and down the family consoles".

Agreed. What a terrible article.

 

[OutrageousFacts]

Anybody with half a brain cell will understand why Microsoft's strategy makes a lot of sense.

Restarting your userbase from 0 all 5-6 years is risky/archaic. Microsoft (and 3rd-parties) will sell lots of games, and once 2 years are over, Sexbox will have a sizeable userbase so that exclusives can sell, too.

Meanwhile what exclusives Sony launches PS5 with will be limited by the tiny user base.

 

[Ryu Kaiba]

SEries X will still have next gen looking games! They'll scale down. Jesus! How many times do you guys have to be told????? You're embarrassing yourselves. But I digress.... do what you do..

Even digital Foundry expressed disappointment when they discovered Halo Infinite was being built with Xbox one in mind.

 

[Sir Vilhelm]

Just means my X1X will have a higher resale value when I upgrade to series X

 

[Bernkastel]

Only Sucker Punch and Half of Naughty Dog are still working on PS4 games that will become cross gen, the rest have moved on to on PS5 some for years.

Some years...
SSM released God of War at the end of 2018
Bend releasedd Days Gone on 2019
Guerrilla Games released Horizon Zero Dawn on 2017 and till now was also working on Death Stranding. We are hearing more about some multiplayer game they are developing then Horizon 2
Naughty Dog and Sucker Punch titles will come out in a few months.
Do you think they will magically spit out AAA first party titles at launch ?

 

[Chiggs]

Meanwhile what exclusives Sony launches PS5 with will be limited by the tiny user base.

Yeah, and that tiny user base will sprawl past 100 million again, while MS sputters to 50 million, tops. And I'm being generous.

But, hey, at least they're moving the goal line so it doesn't look like they're failing.

 

[Bernkastel]

Even digital Foundry expressed disappointment when they discovered Halo Infinite was being built with Xbox one in mind.

They started developing it in 2015. At that time Series X didn't even exist in drawing boards.
That's just how it is for launch titles.

 

[magnumpy]

sounds kind of disappointing for xbox. but we've already seen nintendo investing in exclusive titles for switch, zelda and mario etc. at least that's one platform holder to show that first party exclusives are not dead. I thought xbox would have at least a new halo game and senuas saga. sony have also seriously invested in first party games, GT and the last of us etc. hmmm...

 

[Gavon West]

Even digital Foundry expressed disappointment when they discovered Halo Infinite was being built with Xbox one in mind.

Do you really believe Infinite won't be a showpiece for the Series X???? Like, seriously???? I gizzafuck what DF says. They aren't developers, breh...

Is it like, cool to be willfully dense these days? I can't support that shit.

 

[Ryu Kaiba]

Anybody with half a brain cell will understand why Microsoft's strategy makes a lot of sense.

Restarting your userbase from 0 all 5-6 years is risky/archaic. Microsoft (and 3rd-parties) will sell lots of games, and once 2 years are over, Sexbox will have a sizeable userbase so that exclusives can sell, too.

Meanwhile what exclusives Sony launches PS5 with will be limited by the tiny user base.

The exclusives that Sony launches with PS5 are what's going to jump start that console at retail and set the momentum for a healthy generation.
Restarting your usebase from 0-5 years is risky when you have nothing to keep them there with.
Sony will bring backwards compatibility to the table as well so whats the Xbox for? Gears? LOL

 

[CatLady]

Only Sucker Punch and Half of Naughty Dog are still working on PS4 games that will become cross gen, the rest have moved on to on PS5 some for years.

I see, so I take it you disagree with S spatialawareness post where they said that Sony would continue to support PS4 after launch?

Having Ps5 exclusives does not mean there will be NO ps4 games, see every other sony console.... It's possible to "GASP" do both.

 

[Ryu Kaiba]

Some years...
SSM released God of War at the end of 2018
Bend releasedd Days Gone on 2019
Guerrilla Games released Horizon Zero Dawn and till now was also working on Death Stranding. We are hearing more about some multiplayer game they are developing then Horizon 2
Naughty Dog and Sucker Punch titles will come out in a few months.
Do you think they will magically spit out AAA first party titles at launch ?

Naughty Dog is more then one team, God of War released in the first quarter of 2018 and a handful of Guerrilla helped with Death stranding not the whole studio.

MS is gonna just push games pass with the little straggling studios they picked up. Why they have so many defenders I'll never understand.

 

[Ryu Kaiba]

I see, so I take it you disagree with S spatialawareness post where they said that Sony would continue to support PS4 after launch?

They can support it by releasing cross gen and smaller 3rd party games and games via PS plus.

 

[CatLady]

They can support it by releasing cross gen and smaller 3rd party games and games via PS plus.

By releasing cross gen we are back to my original question:

Ohh, so just how many of these amazing, unbelievable next gen only 1st party PS5 exclusives will there be if their studios are split between those and some awful cross gen games developed to play on the base PS4?

 

[mrMUR_96]

So new exclusives have to work with jaguar cpu and a slow hdd. This seems like it's really going to hold back the xsx.

 

[Bernkastel]

Naughty Dog is more then one team, God of War released in the first quarter of 2018 and a handful of Guerrilla helped with Death stranding not the whole studio.

MS is gonna just push games pass with the little straggling studios they picked up. Why they have so many defenders I'll never understand.

And still God of War took 5 years.
Two teams does not work like that, they don't release games within months of each other. Uncharted 4(who also made Uncharted Lost Legacy in 2017) and TLOU 2 were different teams and there is a 4 year gap between them(3 if you count lost legacy). They have been two teams since Uncharted 2.

Naughty Dog Officially Split Into Two Teams - IGN

Naughty Dog, the Sony-owned studio behind Uncharted and The Last of Us, has been split into two internal teams working on separate projects.

www.ign.com

80 Guerrilla staffs worked on Death Stranding. And there's a rumour about a multiplayer game, which will come out first before Horizon 2.

MS is gonna just push games pass with the little straggling studios they picked up. Why they have so many defenders I'll never understand.

None of MS's first party studio games are pushed for any deadline. Hellblade II and Playground Games RPG project have been in works since late 2016, after the first Hellblade and Forza Horizon 3 launched.
You call them "small struggling studios", but that used to be Sony's acquisition principle. They would pick small studios like Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Guerrilla Games and Bend and grow them to what they are today.
Also, a blind fanboy asking why people are supporting the opposite platform is kind of hypocritical (but which I would expect and am not surprised).

 

[Bernkastel]

So new exclusives have to work with jaguar cpu and a slow hdd. This seems like it's really going to hold back the xsx.

You don't have any idea about game development do you ? They were designed on Xbox One, when Series X didn't exist and will be ported to Series X. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's just what launch titles are. Therefore, Microsoft will provide first party support to Xbox One for the first year.

 

[Gavon West]

Naughty Dog is more then one team, God of War released in the first quarter of 2018 and a handful of Guerrilla helped with Death stranding not the whole studio.

MS is gonna just push games pass with the little straggling studios they picked up. Why they have so many defenders I'll never understand.

We'll see about those "straggling" studios come next gen when Sony finds themselves scrambling to find out how they allowed Microsoft to match and/or surpass their own first party stable of developers. Or how they allowed them to creamate them in the hardware department. Or how GP makes PS Now continue to look like an after thought. Or how Xcloud in connection with GP stomps a mud hole in Sony's ass in areas where Xbox was never even taken seriously.

Next gen is going to be a shocker for Sony fans. I can't wait! The gaming forums will be an absolute joy to read with my coffee.

 

[OutrageousFacts]

Yeah, and that tiny user base will sprawl past 100 million again, while MS sputters to 50 million, tops. And I'm being generous.

But, hey, at least they're moving the goal line so it doesn't look like they're failing.

Even assuming those numbers are correct: Microsoft sells all their games on PC, too. Xbox sales are the cherry on top. What matters is sold software, something that made Nintendo money even during the Wii U days.

Sony is doing for hardware what Capcom is doing for software: betting everything on one/a few horse/s. It works as long as success is reached. But what if success isn't a given? Then everything crumbles.

 

[CatLady]

Even assuming those numbers are correct: Microsoft sells all their games on PC, too. Xbox sales are the cherry on top. What matters is sold software, something that made Nintendo money even during the Wii U days.

Sony is doing for hardware what Capcom is doing for software: betting everything on one/a few horse/s. It works as long as success is reached. But what if success isn't a given? Then everything crumbles.

I agree with your point, but I gotta tell you, your avatar has me triggered.

 

[Gavon West]

Even assuming those numbers are correct: Microsoft sells all their games on PC, too. Xbox sales are the cherry on top. What matters is sold software, something that made Nintendo money even during the Wii U days.

Sony is doing for hardware what Capcom is doing for software: betting everything on one/a few horse/s. It works as long as success is reached. But what if success isn't a given? Then everything crumbles.

Success isn't guaranteed for Sony or anyone next gen. I like that. I like that alot!

 

[Hendrick's]

If they were selling consoles you wouldn't hear anyone pushing this piss poor line, cut it out.

I don't think MS has been interested in selling consoles from the beginning. They are not a hardware company. It's always been about pushing software and services, now more than ever. Not saying they don't want to sell more consoles, but it's not the end goal and never was.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Xbox has all the negatives of a console without the positives. Games not designed specifically for the console which means they'll not be as optimized as in consoles, no real exclusives since everything is ported to PC but still paying for online (which btw is a Microsoft invention), closed system, store monopoly, no mods and so on. Taking into account all the ridiculous disadvantages this console has compared to PC that is trying to become without the hassle of, you know, treating customers better, you should just build a decent PC connect it to your TV and have a FAR better gaming machine than this bullshit.

Never seen so much rubbish packed into one post. Must also paint devil's horns on the Xbox logo in your free time. There's no disadvantage or downside in other people with a different platform being able to play a game you enjoy. If you're playing a thoroughly fantastic game on your xbox does it matter if someone else is able to play on PC or Xbox One consoles? Why would you really care other than for petty reasons? Xbox Series X owners can still play and enjoy the game. For Xbox owners that's a game that brings value to their purchase. The game or platform you play it on is no less valuable just because others are able to play it elsewhere.

I'm also skeptical how much of an authority you are on how "optimized" games will be for new xbox consoles. If they're running 4K at pc max settings at a flawless performance clip do you consider THAT as "optimized"? We are that point now with console performance. We are getting the highest quality settings from here on out on both PS5 and Xbox Series X, and that's a great thing.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

The fact that people are trying to rationalize this bullshit by claiming that creating and optimizing a game for a specific hardware is the same as developing a game for multiple hardware setups is just so funny to me. No way people genuinely believe this crap, do they? This has been one of the core advantages of consoles over PC for as long as they existed...

And yet the PC version is always better than the console version. Where is the advantage? Those days are dead, my friend.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Never seen so much rubbish packed into one post. Must also paint devil's horns on the Xbox logo in your free time. There's no disadvantage or downside in other people with a different platform being able to play a game you enjoy. If you're playing a thoroughly fantastic game on your xbox does it matter if someone else is able to play on PC or Xbox One consoles? Why would you really care other than for petty reasons? Xbox Series X owners can still play and enjoy the game. For Xbox owners that's a game that brings value to their purchase. The game or platform you play it on is no less valuable just because others are able to play it elsewhere.

I'm also skeptical how much of an authority you are on how "optimized" games will be for new xbox consoles. If they're running 4K at pc max settings at a flawless performance clip do you consider THAT as "optimized"? We are that point now with console performance. We are getting the highest quality settings from here on out on both PS5 and Xbox Series X, and that's a great thing.

Cue in a few years pure unbridled passion for pure XSX as soon as they are announced .

 

[Panajev2001a]

Success isn't guaranteed for Sony or anyone next gen. I like that. I like that alot!

So we agree that having console generation resets (with BC) is a good thing ... glad we agree .

 

[Panajev2001a]

And yet the PC version is always better than the console version. Where is the advantage? Those days are dead, my friend.

Money spent on HW on a 8 year period and exclusive titles from dedicated first party developers .

 

[Gavon West]

I don't think MS has been interested in selling consoles from the beginning. They are not a hardware company. It's always been about pushing software and services, now more than ever. Not saying they don't want to sell more consoles, but it's not the end goal and never was.

Um, actually Microsoft is a hardware as well as software company, clearly.

So we agree that having console generation resets (with BC) is a good thing ... glad we agree .

With Xbox it'll be backwards and forward compatibility. So not a genuine reset in camp green.

 

[KingdomHeartsFan]

“As our content comes out over the next year, two years, all of our games, sort of like PC, will play up and down that family of devices,” Booty explains. “We want to make sure that if someone invests in Xbox between now and [Series X] that they feel that they made a good investment and that we’re committed to them with content.”

Lol this excuse is laughable. Just come out and say we want to maximize our software profits so that's why were doing this. Microsoft basically just wants to do what other third party publishers are doing while Sony and Nintendo do what first party publishers do, push their hardware as hard as fast as possible.

 

[quest]

I don't think MS has been interested in selling consoles from the beginning. They are not a hardware company. It's always been about pushing software and services, now more than ever. Not saying they don't want to sell more consoles, but it's not the end goal and never was.

Yet again this terrible take with no logical proof. Gamespass on PC a whole 5 dollars and 0 ,cut of third party games. Even worse being forced to sell on steam and give gabe 30% more new sales. Console gamepass 10 dollars a chance at gold for 15 total vs 5. Then a cut of third party games and 0 cut for gabe. So tell me they don't care about hardware. They are forced to try something different after losing 4 of 4 generations seeing a giant Nintendo give up on the market. It probably won't work but so won't try what everyone tried against Sony so far either. They could make exclusive it would still be a loss. This method of gamepass and giving users time to transition over might help keep the loss not as bad. We know the exclusive route has not worked for anyone vs Sony.

 

[Sugarmonkey]

So much dumb shit in here. I'm no fanboy for any console - if you don't understand why developing games for a sliding scale in terms of hardware is nothing new (and has been done for PC's for as long as I remember), please pack your bags and head over to the gamefaqs forums. This is an enthusiast forum. I think it's safe to assume that you arrive here as an already educated enthusiast, or you keep from posting dumb fanboy shit until you are.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Um, actually Microsoft is a hardware as well as software company, clearly.

With Xbox it'll be backwards and forward compatibility. So not a genuine reset in camp green.

Yeah, I do expect your post with deep heartfelt concern and criticism towards something you must feel does not help competition and promotes the incumbent’s power and thus hurts consumers, do not worry I will not wait up .

Nice how BC in the other camp matters nothing now .

 

[Gavon West]

Yeah, I do expect your post with deep heartfelt concern and criticism towards something you must feel does not help competition and promotes the incumbent’s power and thus hurts consumers, do not worry I will not wait up .

Nice how BC in the other camp matters nothing now .

The fuck you talking about dude? Its a good thing Sony is finally going all in on BC In my opinion.

 

[godhandiscen]

Yeah, until Sony launches a must have exclusive that allows them to create a user base for the PS5 that generates momentum.
I might be ignorant of the market analysis and other conditions, but often it seems like these decisions are taken by shortsighted individuals.

If I was broke, I would skip on the XBSX and just keep on gaming on my XBX, maybe buy a PS5 since that’s the only machine offering new experiences.

I think this just shows Sony has a more stablished plan than MS. At least with enough foresight to have games ready at launch.