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[01011001]

This is true, which just makes it hard to tell at this point where things will end up.

I just hope Sony doesn't push things as hard to the limit as they did with the PS4 fat and PS4pro, because if the PS5 is as loud as the PS4 I would honestly consider connecting it using a 10m HDMi cable and have it in another room lol...
I mean, I have a 10m hdmi cable ready which I currently use to connect my PC to the living room TV xD (I mean why play Yakuza Zero on One X at 1440p60fps when I can also play it at 1440p120fps on my PC on the same screen?)

 

[bitbydeath]

I just hope Sony doesn't push things as hard to the limit as they did with the PS4 fat and PS4pro, because if the PS5 is as loud as the PS4 I would honestly consider connecting it using a 10m HDMi cable and have it in another room lol...
I mean, I have a 10m hdmi cable ready which I currently use to connect my PC to the living room TV xD

Agreed. Both my PS4’s are noisy.

 

[LED Guy?]

Sorry, that’s sort of what I meant,I’m replying to a lot lol, and not just Gaf haha. Gonna have to take a breather in a bit before I go coo coo

52 Coos + 2 Coos you just written = 54 Coos = 54 CUs

 

[ABrokenToy]

Do ppl not know tht Sony will have their own apis like thy did when thy didbt have dx12. Sony software and hardware ppl are top of the line for everything that comes thy have a solution and then some.

So what happened to the PS4 Pro fan?

 

[Mod of War]

Just a friendly reminder of not resorting to personal attacks or insults when discussing each other’s opinions in here. Thank you.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

So what happened to the PS4 Pro fan?

It's call be cheap lol.
The same thing with there early PS4 controllers lol.

 

[TLZ]

He said this case is apparently a prototype.

Looks like the PSTV.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Also, does anybody remember the Liverpool vs Chelsea match, UEFACL 2nd Leg? 2008-2009? Was good match. Pigeon like.

The only thing might be good out of coronavirus is cancelling this year's EPL

 

[saintjules]

Just in case you guys didn't know, that's a parody account.

Yeah I knew after he admitted it online hours later lol.

 

[B_Boss]

Looks like the PSTV.

Trace the leak.

 

[dEvAnGeL]

so, does anybody remember the Liverpool vs Chelsea match, UEFACL 2nd Leg? 2008-2009? Was good match. Pigeon like.

First leg finished 1-3
Second leg finished 4-4

Global score was 5-7

Do the math kids.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Looks like the PSTV.

He would had to add in the disc drive look which very possible.

 

[01011001]

I still do not understand why one would need USB-C ports... what possible use could they serve?

I would understand if it had a single one on the back for possible PS VR connectivity but 2 USB-C on the front? I don't see any reason for this. almost any device you would plug into the front of your console will use USB-A (flash drives for save transfers, usb cables to connect your phone and transfer maybe MP3s or other media... IDK) also the old PS-VR is compatible says leaks, so that thing needs USB-A or you would need an adapter which would be a hassle

I yet have to actually see a USB-C to USB-C cable in the wild... it's always USB-C to USB-A or micro to USB-A etc.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

You don’t really need USB-C on the console itself, it would not only be more expensive but it would be counter productive for how many traditional usb leads we all have.

But both controllers will have usb-c on them. I would bet my house on it.

 

[TLZ]

just use water like the old days, and of course soap.

It's more hygienic anyway.

 

[01011001]

You don’t really need USB-C on the console itself, it would not only be more expensive but it would be counter productive for how many traditional usb leads we all have.

But both controllers will have usb-c on them. I would bet my house on it.

exactly... I literally know not a single logical reason to have 2 front facing USB-C ports.
and of course the controller will have them, I mean even Microsoft started to switch over with the Elite Series 2 Controller, and Nintendo is already using them as well.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

But the cat already played HZD three years ago!!

With all due respect, things aren't that simple.

Like Toyota Supra, we all know it's a BMW bastard, and holds ZERO respect inside true JDM and Supra fans, although it's a "good" car.

 

[CthulhuPL]

But then, on the other hand, they do this shit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_ideology-free_zone

This is mostly stupid politics and some minor medieval hotheads. Most people are open and tolerant. Just because Putin says that Poland started 2WW doesn't make it true.

But back to the topic: what have I missed again? Odium is our new Osiris ? Ps5 is now 11,6 and not 9,2 or 13,3?

 

[bhunachicken]

I'm actually now not ruling out Sony releasing two models at launch.

If so, I'll probably go for the Pro model in the first instance. More so if it's the goldfish bowl style

 

[Three Jackdaws]

I'm actually now not ruling out Sony releasing two models at launch.

If so, I'll probably go for the Pro model in the first instance. More so if it's the goldfish bowl style

bhuna chicken is very tasty

 

[NathanDiego]

It’s the current spec.

Since when are you an inside too?

 

[PaintTinJr]

I never said hardware is not important, if there was no PS Sony wouldn't get a cut for every game sold on it, and that along with subscription services are the bulk of their revenue. What I say is that there are people who enjoy consoles and people who enjoy PCs, Sony is just going for that second group. And if they can make those come to PS, even better.

I don't think the risk and reward for Playstation - of using the odd exclusive on PC this way - are the same when launching a new console (PS5), as they are trying to cash-in at the end of a generation(PS4). But the brand damage to the people that buy at launch of a generation is likely the same no matter the timing. The real question for Sony is probably: Are they happy to damage their brand with their more discerning gamers that help make it successful each generation? For me, this looks like an accounting decision that should have been a strategic decision. Even though they are unlikely to bring many first party exclusives to PC, I would think that it even being a question we are rasing is doing untold damage to the Playstation brand and a dangerous topic to bring into focus.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I don't think so. Each company will want some differentiation. It doesn't have to be power but they'll try other features.

That's why AMD is helping Microsoft with its homework (DXR). Sony devs are poking their inferior implementation lately.

 

[Hatsuma]

This is mostly stupid politics and some minor medieval hotheads. Most people are open and tolerant. Just because Putin says that Poland started 2WW doesn't make it true.

But back to the topic: what have I missed again? Odium is our new Osiris ? Ps5 is now 11,6 and not 9,2 or 13,3?

I thought Tommy mentioned 13.2. Osiris called 12.4 right?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

So 11TF now.

Looks like all those other insiders got it wrong. It was SeX at 12tf, PS5 at 11tf when they projected +/- 10%

 

[FacelessSamurai]

I don't think the risk and reward for Playstation - of using the odd exclusive on PC this way - are the same when launching a new console (PS5), as they are trying to cash-in at the end of a generation(PS4). But the brand damage to the people that buy at launch of a generation is likely the same no matter the timing. The real question for Sony is probably: Are they happy to damage their brand with their more discerning gamers that help make it successful each generation? For me, this looks like an accounting decision that should have been a strategic decision. Even though they are unlikely to bring many first party exclusives to PC, I would think that it even being a question we are rasing is doing untold damage to the Playstation brand and a dangerous topic to bring into focus.

No damage is done. The only way you can see damage being done is if you think like a fanboy, in which case you need to rethink your life’s priorities...

 

[Dr Strange]

A broken clock is right twice a day. Throw enough stuff on a wall, at some point some of it will stick.

52 Active CUs is not something that anyone can guess or predictable. This is some very specific shit.

 

[PocoJoe]

I still do not understand why one would need USB-C ports... what possible use could they serve?

I would understand if it had a single one on the back for possible PS VR connectivity but 2 USB-C on the front? I don't see any reason for this. almost any device you would plug into the front of your console will use USB-A (flash drives for save transfers, usb cables to connect your phone and transfer maybe MP3s or other media... IDK) also the old PS-VR is compatible says leaks, so that thing needs USB-A or you would need an adapter which would be a hassle

I yet have to actually see a USB-C to USB-C cable in the wild... it's always USB-C to USB-A or micro to USB-A etc.

I have 2-3 usb c to c

Laptop charger, Huawei matebook x pro 2018
Phone charger, Sony xperia 1
Headphones, Sony wh1000xm3 (had a to c but i use xperia charger)

But yeah, A is more common. C is still usefull to charge/connect phone/headphones etc. if user have mostly modern deviced and A connector is on back panel for other stuff.

I dont think that we can even use slow usb disks for gaming + who the heck moves saves with usb drive when there is ps+ cloud

 

[David Ricardo]

Since when are you an inside too?

He said repeatedly that he has predicted some things and he was right about them. When asked about his track record, he made a joke and didn't answer. So there is a non marginal chance that he is just making stuff up for attention.

 

[devilNprada]

The same thing with there early PS4 controllers lol.

The rubber had a nice feel just incredibly flimsy. I know Sony changed to plastic at some point, but did they ever acknowledge this?

 

[NathanDiego]

52 Active CUs is not something that anyone can guess or predictable. This is some very specific shit.

Is 52 sCU confirmed?

 

[PaintTinJr]

No damage is done. The only way you can see damage being done is if you think like a fanboy, in which case you need to rethink your life’s priorities...

I'm not sure you have to think that way, to be irked by feeling that others are freeloading on a value proposition that was sold one way, only for the goal posts to be moved. I'm not saying you are wrong, just that I have no interest in subbing PC gamers getting first party Playstation games on their platform. I would sooner spend that money on more Nintendo first party software or add a top-end GPU to my workstation and enjoy club benefits without membership, too.

 

[01011001]

I have 2-3 usb c to c

Laptop charger, Huawei matebook x pro 2018
Phone charger, Sony xperia 1
Headphones, Sony wh1000xm3 (had a to c but i use xperia charger)

But yeah, A is more common. C is still usefull to charge/connect phone/headphones etc. if user have mostly modern deviced and A connector is on back panel for other stuff.

I dont think that we can even use slow usb disks for gaming + who the heck moves saves with usb drive when there is ps+ cloud

because A: PS+ cloud saves are not free (it's weird that Microsoft is now the only one that has free cloud saves...) and B: making sure all your save files are synchronized with your cloud saves is way more of a hassle than just having an option to copy over all your files.
like, I don't even 100% trust Microsofts cloud saves, but they are super reliably usually, with PS+ I had several sync issues and games not always sync up automatically etc.

but that was just an example, I also can't think of a practical reason to have USB-C, USB-A is way more common and therefore better for compatibility, and anything you would plug into your PS5 will most likely never need any features USB-C has over USB-A

 

[Jonsoncao]

If it is 52CU, isn't PS5 literally the same with XSX (60CU, but 4 disabled, and another 4 reserved for OS)? or someone please correct me if I am wrong.

Also where does all these 11 TF talk coming from?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Think of the stuff you buy.

From expensive stuff like cars and kitchen appliances and furniture, to cheaper stuff like clothes, and to other entertainment gadgets like DVD players, MP3 players, old ass walkmans, or even older ass boomboxes etc.......

Let me guess. You buy it, use it and don't give a shit if someone has the exact same model too. And for media playing devices, I'm sure you want your system able to play everything, and don't care if other people's do too. In fact, you want all the products to play everything so you know you won't miss out with let's say some movies only playing on some DVD players and some songs only playable on some iPods. Interchangable and fully supported.

So care to tell why $300 video game players are religiously sought after with walled gardens?

 

[01011001]

If it is 52CU, isn't PS5 literally the same with XSX (60CU, but 4 disabled, and another 4 reserved for OS)? or someone please correct me if I am wrong.

Also where does all these 11 TF talk coming from?

well but if Microsoft would reserve 4 for the OS (where the hell is that coming from btw???) what makes you think Sony doesn't as well?

 

[M-V2]

That's why AMD is helping Microsoft with its homework (DXR). Sony devs are poking their inferior implementation lately.

"Inferior" that's a big word when we know nothing about what's Sony is doing...

 

[xPikYx]

I ask help to the hardware expert, a Martga is dead developer recently stated that ps5 is capable of 4096tx/s, if we want to interpret this data in what thsi could be translated in terms of compute capacity?

 

[Deleted member 779727]

Wanna know what I'll be camping out for this holiday season? Toilet rolls. You also wanna know what'll outsell all three consoles this month? You guessed it, Mr Kipling's Viennese Whirls.

 

[tflopsmatter]

I don't believe the PS5 will be anything less than 12.6TF so that it can be at least three times the Tflops of the PS4 Pro. It would have been ridiculous for Sony to set a target lower than that. I also think that most likely it will have over thirteen TF. I'm sick and tired of the cynics that have been low balling the power of these systems since the start. It is almost as if there are people who want them to be as weak as possible. Are they social justice warriors that simply want them weak so they will consume fewer ratts and produce less environmental damage?

 

[Gavin Stevens]

He said repeatedly that he has predicted some things and he was right about them. When asked about his track record, he made a joke and didn't answer. So there is a non marginal chance that he is just making stuff up for attention.

Or maybe I’ve answered this several times already, and can’t be bothered answering the same question all the time. If you have an issue with that, there are people to PM.

 

[tflopsmatter]

I ask help to the hardware expert, a Martga is dead developer recently stated that ps5 is capable of 4096tx/s, if we want to interpret this data in what thsi could be translated in terms of compute capacity?

I have been curious about this myself.

 

[M-V2]

He said repeatedly that he has predicted some things and he was right about them. When asked about his track record, he made a joke and didn't answer. So there is a non marginal chance that he is just making stuff up for attention.

He might be speaking the truth, but he talked about specific things like, pushing the hardware (PS5) to it limits etc, I mean how devs know such thing?? These things no one knows but the big heads at Sony

 

[tflopsmatter]

I also don't believe there is any chance the PS5 GPU will not have extensive customizations to the ray tracing hardware. Sony would not want to have a clone of the new XBox.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

The rubber had a nice feel just incredibly flimsy. I know Sony changed to plastic at some point, but did they ever acknowledge this?

Nah they never acknowledge it.
The controllers just got better after a certain batch .

 

[devilNprada]

I'm sick and tired of the cynics that have been low balling the power of these systems since the start.

Why though? At the end of the day does it matter who says what?

 

[Gavin Stevens]

4096x4096 textures are... nothing new. Even the 360 supported them, and they have been in use for a very, very long time. The comment was supposed to suggest they are using that resolution to cover a space of a meter square. That’s bullshit because on its own, that would produce utterly awful tiling. The comment has been taken out of context.

Using a 4096 texture on a surface as small as a meter square is actually a very bad use of texture memory (if you use such a thing throughout a level) and I would be very shocked if that is what’s being done. More likely, you will be getting a 4096 resolution texture density at meter square texel definition over a larger surface blended with various other lower scale surface textures for definition. A common thing used for example is to stretch a texture over a wall, and then blend the normal of a higher frequency image over that surface at a lower scale. This creates the illusion of a higher resolution texture, and has sharper definition up close, but of course is still using a low resolution texture under scrutiny. Usually 2048, or 1024.

As an example, we were using 4096x4096 resolution textures for things on projects 10+ years ago.

 

[tflopsmatter]

That’s one thing I can’t be certain of, sadly. I would really like to think Sony will go with the V design, as it’s Ps “V” after all. I do think that this time, you won’t be looking at a slim chicken like PS4, but I would put money on it being a classic traditional form factor.

@FeiRR I wouldn’t count MS out of the games race, not yet. They have made massive improvements in their services, and their output has gone up in strength. Their next gen teams have been silent, and I would expect them to blow people socks off, based purely on nobody seeing what’s coming. I mean you only have to look at the acquisitions The Initiative have gotten.

Don’t count them out yet.

With sony you know what you’re getting, and they do GOOD SHIT. My only hope for them is that they shake it up a bit. Yes, Sony have a lot of GOTY titles that push graphics and story blah blah blah... But maybe have some different shaped arrows in your quiver? For all the faults of MS games this gen, they can’t be called pigeon holed, excuse the pun.

The one thing Sony needs to do more than anything else is push graphics. If they are going to launch a new VR system then they need all the TF they can get. VR consumes massive resources.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

He might be speaking the truth, but he talked about specific things like, pushing the hardware (PS5) to it limits etc, I mean how devs know such thing?? These things no one knows but the big heads at Sony

This also true to a certain degree .

 

[Moridianae]

Even if PS5 ends up 11.6, 12.4 or even clocks up and hits 13TFs, the difference is negligble, probably less than 10% as rumored and both consoles are essentially identical in any of those scenarios.