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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
I’m not saying you’re not legit but your bias is to strong. In a previous post the way you talked about PS5 dev kits almost like Sony guys are a bunch of incompetents ( in a very subliminal way off course) and then proceeding talking about SEX like it was a state of the art machine very quiet, head room to spare, etc... is all to evident..

And that of course that take credibility regarding what you say because your preferences are to obvious in the way you paint things... you’re subtle but not that subtle.

But will see in the end ;)

So if Harold Shipman came over for tea, do I ignore the fact he’s a murderer just because he makes a lovely cup of coffee?

If you got the above from that post you clearly read it wrong. The point is that consoles are made for a set spec, you can’t just keep upgrading them over and over just “because” before they release. A set target is in place, very early, even if not instantly attained, and I would hope I don’t need to explain why that is. But if you set a lower target than the competition, it’s much harder to push past that target, if you hasn’t banked on it. And to me, it looks likely that they had a set target that was better than what they though MS had, but got a bit taken aside with what MS ended up delivering.

It’s nothing to do with bias, more so that sometimes you can plan and plan and plan, and a spanner can be thrown in the works. Last thing that I heard was that the ps5 was still running hot, and because of that something would need to change again. As far as I can see, that’s not biased, and it could even work in favour of what OsirisBlack OsirisBlack has said, in that if there is a new revision that cooling may be much improved (and would be with a taller design). But it’s not my fault if the SX is silent...? Silent = not being pushed = chance to push clocks a bit more.

It’s really nothing to do with bias, but working with what info you have?
 
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SgtCaffran

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From what I know Sony about to loose a lot on every console sold a lot of it has to do with the new dual shock 5 features and design remember nothing is confirmed this same person told me the wired was gonna post another article revealing more ps5 features and specs back in February and that never happened so take everything with a grain of salt
I really think the new dual shock 5 can be a system seller if the haptic triggers are as awesome as I expect them to be.

Can you imagine feeling an actual trigger when shooting a gun in game?!

Do you have any thoughts on the new controller besides cost?
 

LED Guy?

Banned
xbots? Feel better now?

This is embarrassing. You know that right?
Yo, just joking, friend, I had a really sore tooth and had to take Antibiotics 🦷 last couple of days and haven't really been active on this thread the past 3 days or so.

It's all jokes, I really like guys like you who have been very transparent with us peasants here 😂😂 I miss you guys, I thought I would just lighten up the mood.
 
I’m not saying you’re not legit but your bias is to strong. In a previous post the way you talked about PS5 dev kits almost like Sony guys are a bunch of incompetents ( in a very subliminal way off course) and then proceeding talking about SEX like it was a state of the art machine very quiet, head room to spare, etc... is all to evident..

And that of course that take credibility regarding what you say because your preferences are to obvious in the way you paint things... you’re subtle but not that subtle.

But will see in the end ;)
Not to defend Gavin Stevens Gavin Stevens because he can perfectly do that for himself, but it would be nice if you pointed out where did he talked about the Sony guys almost like a bunch of incompetents. Is it because he's being told that the devkits were running hot, are a little bit noisy and they may have no headroom for these very same reasons? Because, I mean, that is not exactly something new with Sony. And he clearly said some times that he favors Xbox over PS a bit, but the way he relays info is pretty much always as neutral as it comes. Don't get why people feel the need to jump at each others necks, when all he's doing, same as OsirisBlack OsirisBlack HeisenbergFX4 HeisenbergFX4 or BGs BGs is passing along the info they can, when they actually don't have to do it. We should just try to relax and be a little bit more friendly, believe the info you think it's more likely, discard the other, and have a nice chat. But then again, that's just my opinion.
 
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Odium never claimed not being a fan. And for a X-Box fan, he's being really generous and honest with his PS predictions … unlike some fans from the other side of the fence … (NOTE: fans, not insiders)

Heisenberg is a fan of PS5 and the way he posts is totally different (and he also says he thinks SEX have the edge) and that’s ok.. both will be very close.. SEX will be a wonderful machine for sure I already said that but I just believe also that PS5 will be a wonderful piece of kit as Sony engineers know what they are doing.. down play this and we are getting the same stupid road of the github evangelists...
 

thelastword

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The "Hard Data" has been "Soft" all along.

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The FUD was real......
 
Not to defend Gavin Stevens Gavin Stevens because he can perfectly do that for himself, but it would be nice if you pointed out where did he talked about the Sony guys almost like a bunch of incompetents. Is it because he's being told that the devkits were running hot, are a little bit noisy and they may have no headroom for these very same reasons? Because, I mean, that is not exactly something new with Sony. And he clearly said some times that he favors Xbox over PS a bit, but the way he relays info is pretty much always as neutral as it comes. Don't get why people feel the need to jump at each others necks, when all he's doing, same as OsirisBlack OsirisBlack HeisenbergFX4 HeisenbergFX4 or BGs BGs is passing along the info they can, when they actually don't have to do it. We should just try to relax and be a little bit more friendly, believe the info you think it's more likely, discard the other, and have a nice chat. But then again, that's just my opinion.

Lot of assumptions there don’t you see? Because a dev kit was loud and hot it doesn’t mean the final PS5 will.. and the way he posts leads to that.. and that is just his assumption based in incomplete data.. as we have Osiris saying the opposite (just pointing facts not extrapolating as it should be as things are still changing both for PS5 and SEX). if odium wants to be taken more seriously he should do the same.

With this said I much appreciate is imputes and Have nothing against the guy.
 
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Lot of assumptions there don’t you see? Because a dev kit was loud and hot it doesn’t mean the final PS5 will.. and the way he posts leads to that.. and that is just his assumption based in incomplete data.. as we have Osiris saying the opposite (just pointing facts not extrapolating as it should be as things are still changing both for PS5 and SEX). if odium wants to be taken more seriously odium should do the same.

With this said I much appreciate is imputes and Have nothing against the guy.
I took his info as he was solely talking about the devkit, and PS5's state as of now based on that latest devkit. And I think is an educated guess to make that if the devkit is having any kind of thermal issues, it may be more plausible that is downclocked than upclocked. But on the other hand, what OsirisBlack OsirisBlack just said points toward some rework in the form factor if we take into account the info Gavin Stevens Gavin Stevens had, so that would be a way to be done with those issues, absolutely, and that would be brilliant.
 

Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
Lot of assumptions there don’t you see? Because a dev kit was loud and hot it doesn’t mean the final PS5 will.. and the way he posts leads to that.. and that is just his assumption based in incomplete data.. as we have Osiris saying the opposite (just pointing facts not extrapolating as it should be as things are still changing both for PS5 and SEX). if odium wants to be taken more seriously he should do the same.

With this said I much appreciate is imputes and Have nothing against the guy.

Im making an assumption right now based on some info, just FYI. And it’s not good.
 
So if Harold Shipman came over for tea, do I ignore the fact he’s a murderer just because he makes a lovely cup of coffee?

If you got the above from that post you clearly read it wrong. The point is that consoles are made for a set spec, you can’t just keep upgrading them over and over just “because” before they release. A set target is in place, very early, even if not instantly attained, and I would hope I don’t need to explain why that is. But if you set a lower target than the competition, it’s much harder to push past that target, if you hasn’t banked on it. And to me, it looks likely that they had a set target that was better than what they though MS had, but got a bit taken aside with what MS ended up delivering.

It’s nothing to do with bias, more so that sometimes you can plan and plan and plan, and a spanner can be thrown in the works. Last thing that I heard was that the ps5 was still running hot, and because of that something would need to change again. As far as I can see, that’s not biased, and it could even work in favour of what OsirisBlack OsirisBlack has said, in that if there is a new revision that cooling may be much improved (and would be with a taller design). But it’s not my fault if the SX is silent...? Silent = not being pushed = chance to push clocks a bit more.

It’s really nothing to do with bias, but working with what info you have?

That is what I’m talking about.. why you think Sony is playing catch up with MS? Do you know what we’re the target specs for both? If you do please share?

If you don’t know you are just assuming based in your one bias that Sony had a lower target and now is desperately trying to catch up with MS.. and that for me is bit far fetched.. and a bit fanboyish if you may me..

But hey do as you like.. I appreciate your information anyhow..
 

llien

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If you don’t know you are just assuming based in your one bias that Sony had a lower target and now is desperately trying to catch up with MS.. and that for me is bit far fetched..

Microsot seeks revenge. Microsoft has opted for surprisingly big chip, with GPU that beats current xx80.
That is not a usual performance target at all.
It is probably also quite pricey, hence the second, cheaper console by Microsoft.
 

Trumpstyle

Neo Member
Osrisblack said XsX would be 11.6TF, u guys already forgot? He also said next-gen consoles ray-tracing performance would be equal to geforce 1080, I don't believe. I believe Heisenberg and haven't decided yet on Odium, he seems to know to much for a game developer.

But who knows :) I might be wrong
 

Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
That is what I’m talking about.. why you think Sony is playing catch up with MS? Do you know what we’re the target specs for both? If you do please share?

If you don’t know you are just assuming based in your one bias that Sony had a lower target and now is desperately trying to catch up with MS.. and that for me is bit far fetched.. and a bit fanboyish if you may me..

But hey do as you like.. I appreciate your information anyhow..

“desperately”? You do know how you sound, right? You’re actually putting scare words into sentences to make them sound more damning. Never once did I say what you just said I did. Never once had I said they are desperately trying to catch up.

It’s idiots like you that make this thread unbearable, and make people not want to share anything. And it’s amazing how almost instantly after PS5 is given some good news, you pipe up like this.

Take some advice, cool the fuck down, stop being so standoffish and shut up. Whatever narrative you’re trying to force is not only not true, but also harmful to those reading this thread that give two shiny shits. Go take a cold shower or something.

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Trumpstyle Trumpstyle I have no direct access to any DK, but have worked with and am in contact with various people who do, on both sides, and sadly only one of those sides has anything worth sharing. So make of that info as you will. I certainly don’t have direct access to one, as if I did, I would NOT be posting about it.
 
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Hatsuma

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I like and share the excitement, but the Series X isn't anything to scoff at. It's a beast, like the PS5, and only good things will come for both consoles because of it.

I see this as an absolute win for both MS and Sony, as well their fans.

Absolutely agreed. Either power advantage (if there is one) sounds sooooo insignificant, it doesn't matter. Literally gravy on a 5-star meal, totaling to extremely minute bragging rights.

I adore it's so close because 3rd party shines no matter the system, and their manufacturers are going to be even more competitive in offerings, games (1st-3rd party) exclusives' quality and quantity, and pricing war. The console manufacturers are going to have to fight the hardest they have ever fought for our dollar.

The desperation for the scraps of a spec advantage are unwarranted.
 

dEvAnGeL

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I'm playing Ori ATWOTW at the moment, it is IMO the most beautiful game i have ever seen, i can't imagine what next gen will look like regardless of TF, but most important is the safety of each and every person in the world, a console launch can wait, ps5 day 1, xbox game studios games on PC day 1. I support what i like to play regardless of console, if Sony started releasing their games on PC i would also skip buying their console and play all the games on PC. Stay safe everyone.
 
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“desperately”? You do know how you sound, right? You’re actually putting scare words into sentences to make them sound more damning. Never once did I say what you just said I did. Never once had I said they are desperately trying to catch up.

It’s idiots like you that make this thread unbearable, and make people not want to share anything. And it’s amazing how almost instantly after PS5 is given some good news, you pipe up like this.

Tale some advice, cool the fuck down, stop being so standoffish and shut up. Whatever narrative you’re trying to force is not only not true, but also harmful to those reading this thread that give two shiny shits. Go take a cold shower or something.

Oh I touch I nerve I see... So you know what we’re the target specs or not?

If you take a deep breath you’ll see that is not me that is trying to build a narrative...
 
Whats up with Sony engineers man rightly cooling the damn thing should be a no brainer by now. Put a goddamn vapor chamber, and a good quiet fan in there, put a giant heat sink too if the thermals is not within the envelope. Just make it quiet and run cool at the same time. Design can be anything, any form factor will do as long as it is quiet and cool. Has PS4 and Pro thought you nothing??

I just want one of a kind over engineered cooling solution that may cost as much as the goddamn chip if you like, skirt the cost to users if you want to but make it QUIET!
 
Not to defend Gavin Stevens Gavin Stevens because he can perfectly do that for himself, but it would be nice if you pointed out where did he talked about the Sony guys almost like a bunch of incompetents. Is it because he's being told that the devkits were running hot, are a little bit noisy and they may have no headroom for these very same reasons? Because, I mean, that is not exactly something new with Sony. And he clearly said some times that he favors Xbox over PS a bit, but the way he relays info is pretty much always as neutral as it comes. Don't get why people feel the need to jump at each others necks, when all he's doing, same as OsirisBlack OsirisBlack HeisenbergFX4 HeisenbergFX4 or BGs BGs is passing along the info they can, when they actually don't have to do it. We should just try to relax and be a little bit more friendly, believe the info you think it's more likely, discard the other, and have a nice chat. But then again, that's just my opinion.

Exactly. And I'd also like to add that I don't think any of the data miners, be it Komachi, Rogame, the Cartman guy (sorry can't remember name off top of head but it's Cartman I mean c'mon) etc. are reporting what they report with any biases or console warrior agenda, either. I think them and the insiders I would consider reliable like Osiris, Klee, Heisenberg, O'dium, BGs etc. (not fools like Tommy Fisher or CameFromFuturesPast tho) as being relatively neutral even if everyone might have a preference (that does not automatically (and I would strongly doubt) indicates preferring ONLY one brand btw).

So it's just almost tasteless and trashy seeing people attempt ridiculing, chastising, or insulting any of the people I mentioned above just because some news or rumors pop up putting something they may've mentioned earlier potentially ending up inaccurate. That type of stuff is how you chase off good people like John from DF, we don't need to be doing that (and yeah that was still extremely embarrassing to have happened). I think anyone who honestly wants the best for BOTH systems can simply take what comes as what it is, and doesn't need to dip into childish insults or credibility hitpiece-style rantings if in case one side or another side happens to end up missing the mark in accuracy.

None of these people are actually engineering/designing these systems directly or involved in the engineering teams for either, and none are in high-ranking positions at Sony or MS to know what the business side at the top is planning. So frankly it's pretty impressive they have what means they do, to provide what info and speculation they can for those of us who'd be left in the dark otherwise.

No matter what, at the end of the day Komachi, Osiris, Klee, Cartman guy, Rogame, Heisenberg, O'dium, BGs etc. they'll have my full respect regardless how things actually shake out with these systems because I feel they've all been fairly neutral and not reporting in a way to antagonize either given fanbase. That's what I feel is most important: common decency in reporting your information. And I think it's only fair everyone else, whether you have a preference or bias for one side exclusively, or in favor of them, at least try understanding the people who might've gone with whatever type of source that ended up wrong, weren't doing it to troll or antagonize you. So don't antagonize them with petty insults and playground wars shenanigans. Gotta have some humility.

Now if you don't mind, I'm gonna get back to this lazy slow Sunday. Best to get ready for the inevitable slowdown of next-gen news and such because of the Covid-19 stuff. Hope everyone keeps well and got themselves stocked up. Cannot WAIT for late Spring at this point, hope the corona shit is done by then, fingers crossed.
 

Trumpstyle

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Trumpstyle Trumpstyle I have no direct access to any DK, but have worked with and am in contact with various people who do, on both sides, and sadly only one of those sides has anything worth sharing. So make of that info as you will. I certainly don’t have direct access to one, as if I did, I would NOT be posting about it.
I appreciate yours, Bgs, Heisenberg, VFX_Veteran and even Osrisblack (I'm sceptical with him though) comments and think everyone should do the same. People shouldn't be hostile when you guys share info they don't like.
 

LordOfChaos

Member
From what I know Sony about to loose a lot on every console sold a lot of it has to do with the new dual shock 5 features and design remember nothing is confirmed this same person told me the wired was gonna post another article revealing more ps5 features and specs back in February and that never happened so take everything with a grain of salt

High hopes. 60-80CAD for a DS4 wasn't exactly inexpensive for something that was frankly shoddy, I did buy the latest light strip model and even that has some creak, the plastic halves at first were sharp and the gap collects yucky human bits, my earlier models had issues keeping connected when a microwave went off, not me but many had issues with the melty joystick rubber early on, etc etc.

Good to hear they're not cheaping out here, hope it's a premium controller experience out of the box.
 

McHuj

Member
The problem with this article is it doesn’t seem to cite any specific reasoning for the consoles to be delayed, aside from just coronavirus in general. We do know the manufacturing facilities are back up and running in China. Are they thinking the economy might force a delay? I don’t think that makes sense.

It’s only mid March, while a delay is a possibility, any projections now are pure speculation and conjecture.

I don’t think we’ll know how this shakes out until late May/June. If by then, the world is still in chaos, then we’ll see a delay and that will be the least of our problems.
 
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