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kareemna
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After watching the video, specs are amazing seems a well rounded and balanced console.
Gavin Stevens
The multiple chip memory module scenario we discussed earlier was true for XSX, i wonder if PS5 has the same thing.
Gavin Stevens
The multiple chip memory module scenario we discussed earlier was true for XSX, i wonder if PS5 has the same thing.
Agnostic2020
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yea weird he had all the info like that. 12.1 TF RDNA2 52 CU at 1825 mhz. like he was typing off the final specs lol
Thedtrain
Member
Thats for damn sure. At this time last year I'd have laughed at the idea of a 12tf next gen console.
"true generational leap"
D
Deleted member 775630
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It's not like he could've known about the special structure of the memory. He thought 13GB like it would be for a PC, but that's not really the case.
zubairali2
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i can certainly see that making sense.
Agnostic2020
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zufuel
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TLZ
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Nah I'm sticking with Tommy for this one. He got half of it right. Very precise even.
Now for the other half. Let's see how that turns out.
This video is amazing. Thank you for sharing. I just wish DF talked more about the wifi chip. I remember reading that it has 802.11ax. Is that true?
DF, if you are reading, please tell us more about the capabilities of the 802.11ax? Wifi chip in the console.
What resolution could this chip theoretically stream at 90fps using Wifi Direct.
Could 802.11ax stream enough data via wifi direct to output to two 4K displays (one for each eye) at 90hz for the Oculus Quest 2 successor or Valve's eventual Wireless alternative. The Series X supporting VR with a wireless Wifi Direct VR headset would be a dream come true.
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01011001
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depends. the leak had 56 active CUs, and we know the chip does have 56 CUs but only 52 active.
meaning these tests used the full chip with lower clocks.
could be part of their testing.
Agnostic2020
Member
it was showing 56 CU active and clock was wrong (1650)
"RDNA 2 fully supports the latest DXR Tier 1.1 standard, and similar to the Turing RT core, it accelerates the creation of the so-called BVH structures required to accurately map ray traversal and intersections, tested against geometry. In short, in the same way that light 'bounces' in the real world, the hardware acceleration for ray tracing maps traversal and intersection of light at a rate of up to 380 billion intersections per second.
"Without hardware acceleration, this work could have been done in the shaders, but would have consumed over 13 TFLOPs alone," says Andrew Goossen. "For the Series X, this work is offloaded onto dedicated hardware and the shader can continue to run in parallel with full performance. In other words, Series X can effectively tap the equivalent of well over 25 TFLOPs of performance while ray tracing."
It is important to put this into context, however. While workloads can operate at the same time, calculating the BVH structure is only one component of the ray tracing procedure. The standard shaders in the GPU also need to pull their weight, so elements like the lighting calculations are still run on the standard shaders, with the DXR API adding new stages to the GPU pipeline to carry out this task efficiently. So yes, RT is typically associated with a drop in performance and that carries across to the console implementation, but with the benefits of a fixed console design, we should expect to see developers optimise more aggressively and also to innovate. The good news is that Microsoft allows low-level access to the RT acceleration hardware."
"Without hardware acceleration, this work could have been done in the shaders, but would have consumed over 13 TFLOPs alone," says Andrew Goossen. "For the Series X, this work is offloaded onto dedicated hardware and the shader can continue to run in parallel with full performance. In other words, Series X can effectively tap the equivalent of well over 25 TFLOPs of performance while ray tracing."
It is important to put this into context, however. While workloads can operate at the same time, calculating the BVH structure is only one component of the ray tracing procedure. The standard shaders in the GPU also need to pull their weight, so elements like the lighting calculations are still run on the standard shaders, with the DXR API adding new stages to the GPU pipeline to carry out this task efficiently. So yes, RT is typically associated with a drop in performance and that carries across to the console implementation, but with the benefits of a fixed console design, we should expect to see developers optimise more aggressively and also to innovate. The good news is that Microsoft allows low-level access to the RT acceleration hardware."
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TLZ
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saintjules
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So perhaps the Microsoft Game Stack presentation with the Series X will most likely just re-discuss what was revealed today.
hardseppo
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wow, HDR reconstruction for old games? Fusion Frenzy? Nice feature...
Agnostic2020
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52 CU at 2 ghz for 13.3 TF
Dr Strange
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Guys it's time to check all the tommy fisher specs wise posts! Someone do it please
Kazekage1981
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Dont under estimate the genius brainchild Mark Cerny.
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13.3TF
Kazekage1981
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Where does it say XsX has wifi 6?
3liteDragon
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13.3TF with 52 compute units clocked at 2.0 GHz, back in December.
01011001
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well no... we don't know if the github chip had more than 56 CUs
we just know that the active CUs changed, which is something that can change up until the last minute theoretically (not practically because that would throw off developers)
DonJorginho
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TommyFisher Redeemed?
MARTYWOLF
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Depends on a full chip vs disabled cu argument im sure will happen ahah sony just need to announce 13tf already
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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THESE MF'ERS REALLY DID A FULL REVEAL OVERNIGHT WHILE I WAS ASLEEP WTF!?!?!!?!?
Welp, guess I got some catching up to do. And here I was ready for another slow week xD.
Welp, guess I got some catching up to do. And here I was ready for another slow week xD.
Lort
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Awesome stuff ... looks great!
Great to see Microsoft not afraid to tell it like it is.
it’s always interesting to see the marketing teams frame their products against others .. Sonys marketing was very much around SSD speed and 3D Audio... presumably trying to push the importance of those features and proactively counter MS capabilities.
From that video MS seem to be suspecting Sony might have variable clocks, potentially inconsistent performance or heat problems if they push too hard. Be interesting if Sony feel they need to win the numbers war and push to end up with slightly better specs. Only after release will we see if that pans out to anything or Sony engineering overcomes any issues with higher clocks.
Xbox soc not as huge as suspected.
i suspect ps5 to have more RAM and to a slighty faster SSD but everything else will be similar...price slightly cheaper for Xbox.
Performance of both consoles will be very similar. everyone wins! ( apart from forum fanboys)
Great to see Microsoft not afraid to tell it like it is.
it’s always interesting to see the marketing teams frame their products against others .. Sonys marketing was very much around SSD speed and 3D Audio... presumably trying to push the importance of those features and proactively counter MS capabilities.
From that video MS seem to be suspecting Sony might have variable clocks, potentially inconsistent performance or heat problems if they push too hard. Be interesting if Sony feel they need to win the numbers war and push to end up with slightly better specs. Only after release will we see if that pans out to anything or Sony engineering overcomes any issues with higher clocks.
Xbox soc not as huge as suspected.
i suspect ps5 to have more RAM and to a slighty faster SSD but everything else will be similar...price slightly cheaper for Xbox.
Performance of both consoles will be very similar. everyone wins! ( apart from forum fanboys)
2Ghz is not genius, is big risk. Faster GPU??. Yes. But with more CU, not very high clocks. We dont need another very loud and hot console like PS4/PS4 Pro.
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3liteDragon
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He posted this on January 23rd. So 10GB/s read for PS5?
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Also from https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/03/16/xbox-series-x-glossary/
It is an expansion slot on the back
It is an expansion slot on the back
Kazekage1981
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If PS4Pro had CU disabled for yields then so will PS5.
gundamkyoukai
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If he thought that it would make no sense since consoles memory was never like PC memory because it unified .
Seem like MS did even more extra stuff but the point remains the same .
Mr. PlayStation
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Not gonna happen anytime soon, wait for the megatons from June onward i guess!Awesome specs, well done MS!
Now hopefully Sony will shortly follow up.
Agnostic2020
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maybe he was getting people or himself in trouble and wanted to say he is fake so people would stop talking about him?
GameSeeker
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Tommy Fisher wins the prize for nailing the Xbox Series X specs:
He said 52CU at 1.82GHz on 12-14-19 and the final specs were 52CU at 1.825MHz.
No other person on NeoGAF nailed the specs so exactly.
He said 52CU at 1.82GHz on 12-14-19 and the final specs were 52CU at 1.825MHz.
No other person on NeoGAF nailed the specs so exactly.
pasterpl
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Maybe for shits and giggles ?
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something else :
tbh this is getting weird . it's 9 months(?) before launch and MS has already given a full teardown pic. Nothing from Sony.
Did they play their cards too quick though ?
i think that in couple of months ms will star showing some games (probably have a lot of them in development)
Snake29
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Impressive if true!
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