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[farmerboy]

At this point, what hasn't MS told us about the Series X? Just trying to get my bearings on all of this.

 

[Apollo Helios]

16 GB GDDR6 & 512 GB/s. 16 Gbps w/ 256 bit bus = 512 GB/s bandwidth

Yes this is it. I think we mostly figured out PS5's memory config based on the pigeon post of Gavin Stevens if it is to be believed as the retail config. TF is still on question as the frequency of the GPU is imo still being optimized, but there is no question in my mind it will have 52CUs on die.

So 52CU GPU, and 16 GB GDDR6 RAM running at 512 GB/s because of (8x2GB) 16GB 16 Gbps RAM modules running at 256 bit bus.

 

[bitbydeath]

This is what I would call a shot across the bow with a silver bullet.
We have our smoking gun ladies and gents.
Is the metaphors enough? Lol

Is this the first time this gen Sony uses the term "the world's fastest console"?

I think fastest just means load speed which was already announced.

 

[Rusco Da Vino]

This is what I would call a shot across the bow with a silver bullet.
We have our smoking gun ladies and gents.
Is the metaphors enough? Lol

Is this the first time this gen Sony uses the term "the world's fastest console"?

This info is 4 weeks old

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[-kb-]

Sony will probably use the 3rd choice. 448gbs it is. Doubt they are courageous enough to run ram speeds that high in sff case

That's the reason Ms engineers went split 320bit memory. It is less elegant and as gtx970 showed, split is shit. But i guess they can scale things up in a future pro model with that sweet 320bit bus. Two steps ahead thinking

Sony is just contended to hit the 399 sweet spot for the masses

What's Xsx split ram speeds running at btw?

10GB at 560GB/s, 6GB at 336GB/s

 

[semicool]

Fastest load times ? fastest vs most powerful.... interesting the way Microsoft and Sony phrase things

Could be faster clock speeds, though fewer CUs.

 

[kyliethicc]

Sony will probably use the 3rd choice. 448gbs it is. Doubt they are courageous enough to run ram speeds that high in sff case

That's the reason Ms engineers went split 320bit memory. It is less elegant and as gtx970 showed, split is shit. But i guess they can scale things up in a future pro model with that sweet 320bit bus. Two steps ahead thinking

Sony is just contended to hit the 399 sweet spot for the masses

What's Xsx split ram speeds running at btw?

The Xbox uses 14 Gbps GDDR6. It is less expensive than 16 Gbps GDDR6. Sony might spend more for the 16 Gbps in order to deliver more bandwidth over 256 bit bus. Or they might just be fine with 448 GB/s. That’s still more than twice what PS4 Pro has at 217 GB/s.

The amazing choice would be to spend the huge amount of cash to deliver 24 GB of GDDR6. Not gonna happen but even at 448 GB/s having like 20+ GB of memory for devs would be fucking huge. But won’t happen...

 

[kyliethicc]

At this point, what hasn't MS told us about the Series X? Just trying to get my bearings on all of this.

The WiFi and Bluetooth standards are still vaguely unknown I think. And they haven’t explicitly said next gen games will use 100 GB discs. But that seems almost a certainty.

Price & release date.

And of course neither Sony or Microsoft have said if games will still be $60.

 

[CuriousToe]

Fastest load times ? fastest vs most powerful.... interesting the way Microsoft and Sony phrase things

I think both MS or Sony will be careful not to make claims based on specs that are not concrete. If it's as close as we are led to believe, it will only take a few clock changes to give one console an edge over the other. More importantly, stuff like '25tf with Ray tracing' means that we're not going to get a something as clear cut as PS4 vs XB1.

One will be more powerful and have the best looking multiplats. But I'm not sure either MS or Sony want to go near 'powerful' as an absolute term.

 

[Shambala]

Sony will probably use the 3rd choice. 448gbs it is. Doubt they are courageous enough to run ram speeds that high in sff case

That's the reason Ms engineers went split 320bit memory. It is less elegant and as gtx970 showed, split is shit. But i guess they can scale things up in a future pro model with that sweet 320bit bus. Two steps ahead thinking

Sony is just contended to hit the 399 sweet spot for the masses

What's Xsx split ram speeds running at btw?

Lol you speak as if you know every detail about the PS5 and Sony’s plans . What’s wrong with some of you.

 

[kyliethicc]

I think both MS or Sony will be careful not to make claims based on specs that are not concrete. If it's as close as we are led to believe, it will only take a few clock changes to give one console an edge over the other. More importantly, stuff like '25tf with Ray tracing' means that we're not going to get a something as clear cut as PS4 vs XB1.

One will be more powerful and have the best looking multiplats. But I'm not sure either MS or Sony want to go near 'powerful' as an absolute term.

Microsoft just added to their website “the world’s most powerful console” when they showed specs. So....

 

[MarkMe2525]

Watching through this one right now. TBH I think I understand why they used Minecraft to show off the RT. Yeah, it might be a meme to us here, but it's just a lot easier for the average gamer outside of these kind of forums to visually understand and more immediately see the difference in real-time what RT is using a game like Minecraft.

You can be someone who's not very knowledgeable on graphics tech and watch the RT in Minecraft and immediately see the difference, like going from a game demo showcasing a jump from PS1 to PS2 in graphics fidelity. We keep talking about diminishing returns all the time and it's a very real thing, so it's actually kinda clever they used a game as visually simple as Minecraft to show off the RT since the average person can just notice it right out of the gate, and don't need a video zooming in pointing out the very specific parts or pixels of the frame showing off the effect.

Another obvious choice would've probably been a racing game, but from what I'm to understand RT doesn't actually bring that big of a visual boost to racing games because they already use other graphical effects that more or less do a great job simulating reflections on the cars as-is. The benefit of RT to those kind of games would be small vs. the processing power required to implement it. Can't remember where I read this from, but it was someone who seemed to know a lot about graphical programming techniques.

It's kind of like if Nintendo decided to show off ray-tracing with a game like Super Mario Odyssey; I could see the effect being immediately noticeable to the average person and relatively easy to implement without too much optimizing required for framerate performance, similar to the Minecraft demo. Because both that and SMO are visually "simple" game, on a technical level. OTOH, something like the Gears 5 RT they showed off today (granted not optimized, but still) or if Sony decided to show off early RT implementation with, say, GOW4...I think it would be harder to immediately notice the difference because those games already have a lot more going on visually in the technical side, and the viewer would need to be more knowledgeable of what things to spot when looking in order to pick up on the RT effect.

That's kind of the feeling I got watching the Halo:Infinite E3 trailer; was really hard for me to notice the RT without tech videos specifically isolating out the minute instances. But it's not a constant rule on that note, either: the Project Mara teaser, when they get to the living room and hallway shot I can immediately tell RT is being utilized there and it's a game with much more visual complexity than a Minecraft, and I think even the average person would be able to pick up the RT use there as well without it needing to be specifically pointed out to them.

So it kind of really comes down to how it's implemented and optimized in the demonstrations. That said yeah, I understand now why MS chose to use Minecraft to show it off in this instance.



It will hold back lazy developers who want to brute everything through instead of learning intricacies of system in certain setups like RAM config and bandwidth. I'm actually interested in how devs will learn to adjust with the memory setup; I can see smarter devs (or those with more generous publishers) utilizing some nice tricks to make full use of the memory setup as we know of it now.

The 1st-party teams will certainly learn to do this, and maybe also find some clever uses of programming dynamically across the two different memory bandwidths and the virtual cache of the SSD. Maybe it might even be possible to adjust between the SMT/non-SMT modes dynamically through game code when performance instances might favor a higher clock vs. more threads but jumping between the two as needed (this depends on just how much freedom the OS gives to devs for doing this, and they wouldn't be able to do anything that would negatively affect OS stability or operation).

TBH I'm actually pretty excited to see how this stuff can be exploited down the line, gives me some tinges of the old days like SNES/Genesis, Saturn, N64, PS3 etc. where "odd quirks" in the system design forced devs (usually 1st party) to get creative with hardware resources. One thing for sure is that there is definitely a lot of customization going into XSX, much to the message of folks who kept insisting they were simply going to brute force their way to a next-gen console.

Could the API itself handle the distribution to high or low depending on the task? I would imagine it would be alot easier just to take it out of the developers hands.

 

[zeroeffect]

At this point, what hasn't MS told us about the Series X? Just trying to get my bearings on all of this.

Will anyone care by the release when 3 months before release Sony goes all in? World pandemic dying down? Konami IPs, Kojima making a Silent Hill, old Team Silent making a SH, got Castlevania, Metal Gear Solid that Bluepoint's tweet hinted towards among a Demon's Souls remake. Maybe a Bloodborne 2? You know Spider-Man 2 and Horizon Zero Dawn 2 is coming. Which I expect Horizon to blow minds at how good it will look. Can a man dream?

You gotta have games for the hardware and Microsoft saying no exclusives for the first few years pretty much guarantees I won't get one until at least it starts showing me some exclusives. I have a gaming PC I don't need an Xbox.

 

[LiquidRex]

So whats peoples thoughts... Will Sony concede the Power trophy to Microsoft, or will Sony come out with the biggest shock since the famous E3 $299 speech.

 

[bitbydeath]

So no Lockhart news again, is it dead?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

So no Lockhart news again, is it dead?

Probably.

I'll stick to my guess way back that Lockhart is a year two system. If SeX sucks and barely sells, they'll usher out a budget system. If SeX does great, Lockhart is dead.

You'd think they'd do a two tiered approach like a bargain bin Xbox OG S and Xbox X, but that was due to a mid gen refresh, where X came out later and more powerful.

I see next gen having mid gen refreshes again. But it'll be SeX 2 at 20tf or something, where SeX 1 is the budget system. I don't think Sony or MS will do 7 year systems like the old days.

 

[zeroeffect]

Costs and demand might have an issue with a Lockhart coming out at launch. They might just focus on getting the supply going for the higher end console and then release a cheaper one down the line. I'd have to think with the world economy tanking and this pandemic slowing everything down they can't abandon a cheaper option.

 

[B_Boss]

Why is everyone going apeshit at Sony for not saying anything?

Just because Microsoft is going about revealing things does not mean Sony 'HAS' to do the same. Half this thread is full of this steamy pile of horseshit.

Sony will speak about PS5 but when they are ready to do so.

What the fuck is wrong with people?

It’s the most annoying shit man lol....I mean the news will come, absolutely no doubt. Sony will speak when they are strategically ready.

 

[quest]

So whats peoples thoughts... Will Sony concede the Power trophy to Microsoft, or will Sony come out with the biggest shock since the famous E3 $299 speech.

There will be no 2013 no one fucked up like last time. Both will be close to each other Sony will for sure have SSD advantage and probably little in ram but nothing like 2013. MS could have price advantage with lower costs with cheaper ram, SSD and cost saving form factor.

 

[SmokSmog]

PS5 specs ?

 

[quest]

Costs and demand might have an issue with a Lockhart coming out at launch. They might just focus on getting the supply going for the higher end console and then release a cheaper one down the line. I'd have to think with the world economy tanking and this pandemic slowing everything down they can't abandon a cheaper option.

No way the supply chain supports both fall 2020. They will have limited numbers for the series x. I think be like the 360 poor stock for months. Luckily they finished up early and probably have production lined and planned before shit got bad. It will be serveral months before capacity is solid for some parts. Sure some won't come online until late summer. It will be a rush to assemble them early fall to get enough for a launch of a million world wide.

 

[Hatsuma]

Anyway, those specs are pretty good, I would've never expect such an high bandwidth, even if I was praying for it in previous posts. CPU is ok, GPU is great, RAM is performant, the SSD is fast enough and has some technologies to speed it up even more.....
And all of this is good for everyone: the better the machines are, the better and more complex third party games will get.

What makes you think they didn't? Who held a gun to their head?

Is it not possible that MS and Sony just have different marketing plans and are executing them, regardless of what the competition is doing? Even if MS is 10% down in raw GPU compute, they'd have to feel good in comparison to last gen.

I absolutely agree, which is why I question "why won't Sony reveal their specs? Are they scared of XsX?" Perhaps they have a different marketing plan from MS, a different path they want to be completely aligned. Or maybe they are horrified they have the weaker console...

 

[Mendou]

I'm not sure if it's faster or slower but it was sure ooutperforming it in Gears 5 by 20FPS while running at higher quality settings. We can say with absolute confidence that it will give high end PCs a run for their money.

I'm glad I didn't get a 2080ti now. I feel sorry for anyone that did.

Nvidia cards age like milk BTW for anyone that didn't know. My GTX 780 back in 2013/2014 could play PS4-equivalent games at high/maximum settings whereas nowadays games like RDR2 perform better on the base PS4 than my card even at the lowest settings.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Microsoft just added to their website “the world’s most powerful console” when they showed specs. So....

Surely you read the next line after that:

'Xbox Series X is our most powerful console ever, powered by our custom designed processor leveraging AMD's latest Zen 2 and RDNA 2 architectures'

You also have:
'Fastest. Most powerful' right at the top of the web page. That doesn't make any distinction to being the most powerful console in the world.

Some of you are reading way too much into these things. We dont know what Sony has in the oven. These companies have a general idea of the specs but that's it. MS will continue to play this PR game until Sony shows their hand.

 

[B_Boss]

These concept designers keep creating these concepts without ever seemingly considering the vents we’ve seen on the devkits. These concepts would melt when powered on lol.

 

[ethomaz]

So what they are gonna add that missing 20mm2 back on the chip to please the mm2 measurers and CU counters, and along the way make it 56 CUs with 4 disabled so 60 in total to also validate GitHub as a bonus?

Wut?

 

[Hawking Radiation]

These concept designers keep creating these concepts without ever seemingly considering the vents we’ve seen on the devkits. These concepts would melt when powered on lol.

Lmfao being saying this the whole time.

Not 1 single PS5 concept this far looks remotely feasible for what amounts to a near high end gaming pc setup.
Not one designer has thought to look at the specs and then design around it.
It's quite remarkable

 

[Classicrockfan]

Damn xbox series x got me a semi,cant wait to see cyberpunk,watchdogs legion,maybe dying light 2 On the system.

 

[ethomaz]

Fastest load times ? fastest vs most powerful.... interesting the way Microsoft and Sony phrase things

Yeap... MS uses “our”.
Sony uses “world”.

 

[kyliethicc]

Yeap... MS uses “our”.
Sony uses “world”.

Microsoft today changed their website to “the most powerful console”

 

[ph33rknot]

Sssssssseries x

Sony need a needs a mongoose

 

[kyliethicc]

Surely you read the next line after that:

'Xbox Series X is our most powerful console ever, powered by our custom designed processor leveraging AMD's latest Zen 2 and RDNA 2 architectures'

You also have:
'Fastest. Most powerful' right at the top of the web page. That doesn't make any distinction to being the most powerful console in the world.

Some of you are reading way too much into these things. We dont know what Sony has in the oven. These companies have a general idea of the specs but that's it. MS will continue to play this PR game until Sony shows their hand.

Yeah fair point. It does say ”Our” but above that it says “The” so I got no clue. I don’t wanna start console wars and I’m a PS4 user, never had an Xbox. Just trying to discuss what I read. Obviously 1 of them will be more powerful, not that it matters that much.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

These concept designers keep creating these concepts without ever seemingly considering the vents we’ve seen on the devkits. These concepts would melt when powered on lol.

Lmfao being saying this the whole time.

Not 1 single PS5 concept this far looks remotely feasible for what amounts to a near high end gaming pc setup.
Not one designer has thought to look at the specs and then design around it.
It's quite remarkable

That's the point of a concept. Get attention by creating wacky shit knowing it'd never work in the real world.

It's like concept cars.

I don't even mind odd sleek space age curves. Aesthetics are subjective.

But then you got cars which have tight wheel wells where only about two inches of tire actually touches the road, and those same cars also are so low all it takes is a speedbump or a pot hole and the whole car would smash. Looks nice on a smooth ceramic floor at an auto show. Put it on the road outside and it would be disaster driving it out of the parking lot.

Many of those concept cars aren't even operable anyway. It's a shell where you can't even check the insides or underneath. Some team got paid millions to create a funky shell, dashboard and seats. The rest is probably hollow.

There's some cars that are even permanent convertibles. So I guess you can only drive it in hot dry conditions. lol

 

[CrustyBritches]

Some relevant reports concerning electronics manufacturing. Starting with a report from Reuters(March 12th) concerning Foxconn:

Terry Gou, founder of Apple’s major manufacturing partner Foxconn, said on Thursday the resumption of production at its factories in China had “exceeded expectations” after a prolonged halt due to a coronavirus outbreak that had disrupted supply chains.
...
Gou told reporters in Taipei that the return to work at Foxconn factories in China had “exceeded our expectations and imagination” and that supplies to its factories there and in Vietnam had returned to normal.

Gou, however, warned about weak consumer demand as a result of the coronavirus epidemic which the World Health Organization has now declared a pandemic, and said the U.S. market was of particular concern.
...
Gou said he has “concerns” over the electronics supply chain in Japan and South Korea, which are grappling with their own serious outbreaks of the virus, and he cited rising prices for DRAM memory and supply issues with display panels. He did not elaborate.

According to Proelite from B3D, and here as well, XSX is using SK Hynix DRAM, of course from South Korea. Samsung is also from South Korea. Those are your #1 and #2 DRAM manufacturers in the world. Taiwan-based TSMC will be handling both XSX and PS5 SoC manufacturing. Several reports(#1 Taiwan News, March 9th | #2 Digitimes, March 16th) stated that TSMC has increasingly tightened their precautionary measures to prevent outbreak at their facility:

#1:
Led by TSMC, the semiconductor sector accounts for 70 percent of Hsinchu Science Park’s output, and the companies' clients include Apple, Huawei, Qualcomm, Nvidia, and a host of other tech giants, according to Nikkei Asian Review. The chipmaker has been on high alert as its rivals in South Korea – SK Hynix and Samsung – have both reported confirmed cases of the highly contagious virus among their employees.
...
TSMC implemented a series of virus-prevention measures even before the Lunar New Year. These include making masks mandatory for workers, having engineers have their temperatures checked by secretaries wearing N95 respirators, having those with a fever self-quarantine for 14 days, compartmentalizing office areas and supply chain meeting rooms, and keeping people in management positions from meeting with their substitutes, reported Business Weekly.
#2:
TSMC has informed its suppliers that regulations to enter its factory sites in Taiwan have been tightened, given the spread of the virus worldwide. Suppliers with travel history to European countries have to self-isolate for 14 days before they are allowed to enter TSMC premises.
...
TSMC also disclosed suppliers and visitors entering TSMC are required to make entry reservations and fill in health declaration forms provided by the company. TSMC added it continues to monitor the outbreak and will implement further countermeasures if necessary.

MS did the majority of their Xbox One assembly at Flextronics in Singapore with a reported 10% at Foxconn, while Sony utilized Foxconn for PS4.

This is all just to say that it sounds like China/Foxconn is back up to speed faster than they anticipated, but their ability to manufacture enough devices will be dependent on consumer demand, and the supply chain from South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan.

 

[hemo memo]

This info is 4 weeks old

Source:

Jack of All Controllers - Gaming. All jacked up!

Gaming. All jacked up!

jackofallcontrollers.com

Internal studios say all kind of bullshit. It means nothing.

 

[Jonsoncao]

Translation please what am I looking at?

Rough translation:
"There are several products currently testing (as of Oct 2019);
Arden approx. 350mm^2
Oberon approx. 300mm^2
Probably Arden is the codename for xbox and Oberon is the codename for playstation, Arden's development is ahead of Oberon."

 

[DForce]

Microsoft today changed their website to “the most powerful console”

They still use our most power console and most powerful Xbox ever. This is different than what they were doing with the Scorpio.

They could still feel their console is more powerful outside of the raw TF count.

 

[-kb-]

Rough translation:
"There are several products currently testing (as of Oct 2019);
Arden approx. 350mm^2
Oberon approx. 300mm^2
Probably Arden is the codename for xbox and Oberon is the codename for playstation, Arden's development is ahead of Oberon."

The weird thing about the last comment there is that everything we have seen has indicated the opposite (that Oberon was ahead of Arden).

 

[B_Boss]

I keep seeing people saying sub $500. I wouldn't be too sure of that at this point. To be honest I am over here damn near praying for $499.

Between 500-550 . Ive always felt this way.

 

[lepermessiah]

Tommy you son of a bitch Fisher

 

[kyliethicc]

They still use our most power console and most powerful Xbox ever. This is different than what they were doing with the Scorpio.

They could still feel their console is more powerful outside of the raw TF count.

Yeah it’s too vague to know yet. We need PS5 specs pleeeease Cerny papa

 

[husomc]

Would of been cooler if they were shaped like X like ps5 is a v

The dev kit looks sleeker than the retail box. still dunno how that tower is gonna fit under my tv

 

[Hatsuma]

It's other way around regarding Forza and GTS. GTS pretty much demolished Forza this gen despite the reviews and 4 Forzas game.. Niche games you say....LOL. Dreams, man. Dreams, The Last Guardian, Gravity Rush 2, Concrete Genie and Astro Bot VR.... Oh, of course, Xbox fan DELIBERATELY ignored VR stuff. Wonder why???

Oh yes....not to mention GOTY awards for Sonys games.

Don't forget my love Ratchet n Clank.
They made so many changes and so many additions, it's basically a brand new game. Plz Moriarty sama, be correct on a new one coming to PS5. Last Guardian and Gravity Rush 2 are so slept on.

 

[lepermessiah]

For every twitter post I see from little boy blue I lose a month off my life.

 

[Mendou]

I keep seeing people saying sub $500. I wouldn't be too sure of that at this point. To be honest I am over here damn near praying for $499.

That Anaconda leak from early 2019 stated that it would cost $500. Given that it got most of the things correct, I assume it would get the price right as well. If the PS5 is the stronger console as rumours suggest, they could be targeting a similar or higher price point than Microsoft.

Phil Spencer also mentioned that Xbox this next gen wasn't going to be out of place in terms of power and price.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Surely you read the next line after that:

'Xbox Series X is our most powerful console ever, powered by our custom designed processor leveraging AMD's latest Zen 2 and RDNA 2 architectures'

You also have:
'Fastest. Most powerful' right at the top of the web page. That doesn't make any distinction to being the most powerful console in the world.

Some of you are reading way too much into these things. We dont know what Sony has in the oven. These companies have a general idea of the specs but that's it. MS will continue to play this PR game until Sony shows their hand.

They still use our most power console and most powerful Xbox ever. This is different than what they were doing with the Scorpio.

They could still feel their console is more powerful outside of the raw TF count.

Yeah it’s too vague to know yet. We need PS5 specs pleeeease Cerny papa

MS saying "the" or "our" makes no difference because claims like this are subjective anyway. Nintendo can say Switch is the most powerful (console handheld) and that would be true too.

It's like a company saying they have "the best" chocolate chip cookie. Maybe they do. Maybe not.

As someone said in one of these threads..... what's more powerful? A 300hp truck that can haul logs, or a 1000hp sports car? I just googled that an M-1 tank is 1500 hp. No doubt the tank is slowest. Google says top speed is 45 mph.

What's more important is non-subjective claims. If a console says it comes with a 1tb SSD drive on the box but it turns out to be 500gb that's an issue. That's an outright false advertisement. Here's another. Sony is still promoting PS Vue as a service for PS4 systems and that has been dead for two months.

PS4 | Incredible games, non-stop entertainment | PlayStation

Discover the games, features and entertainment services waiting for you on PlayStation 4, including PlayStation exclusive games, online play and parental controls for younger gamers.

www.playstation.com

 

[Agnostic2020]

BTW who is the leaker mentied Anaconda die size is 350mm2 ? he also talked about PS5 die size

hmm OBR 40CU at 2.0 Ghz or 44CU at 2.0 Ghz

Lol you cant help yourself with github, can you .so saying 350 mm2 which is wrong means he knew but what tommy fisher did was pure BS and luck lol

Its strange that the leak stated that the PS5 BOM is less then the XSX.
It would be surprising that the ps5 has more ram, a more powerful GPU and is cheaper, all whilen having a more expensive cooling system.

My guess for why this could be the case would be that ms spent more on the overall design, the xsx is a very sleek design regarding its modular design, things like the dual motherboard and fancy fan may have bumped up the price?

Bloomberg in tue same article says indirectly ps5 bom is more expensive

Navi21 full chip is 56CU

And we know ps5 is navi2x .everything is making snese for 52 cu ps5

 

[K.N.W.]

I absolutely agree, which is why I question "why won't Sony reveal their specs? Are they scared of XsX?" Perhaps they have a different marketing plan from MS, a different path they want to be completely aligned. Or maybe they are horrified they have the weaker console...

The world has a pandemy, and Sony has no rush either way. Microsoft it's just revealing the nothing anyway.

 

[husomc]

Told u so lol

I wouldn't be surprised if Tommy Fisher turned out to be Cerny

 

[Agnostic2020]

The fact that Tommy Fisher still hasnt come back sucks. It might also mean he wanted to get banned otherwise he would have been here yesterday to gloat . So that fake DS5 might have been his ticket to ban himself and show he is fake as he was getting people in trouble