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[sinnergy]

What does it mean for ray tracing in both?

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

I think it's clear the PS5 was designed for a 2019 release as speculated. Instead of adding more CUs Sony just clocked the existing chip higher. With the higher frequency I'm guessing 10% disadvantage to Xbox. I don't think it will be noticeable on most games. Both should do 4k 60fps. It will do until the pro is released with 72 Cu.

Yeah this is inescapable now, the 2019 launch rumors were true. But as you've hinted, this is an easy path to 72CU PS5 Pro in 2-3 years from launch.

 

[xPikYx]

=|12.1−10.3|[(12.1+10.3)2]×100 = 16.0714% difference

Of course, if the roomyou put the console in is not too hot, otherwise it selfdownclock and the difference getting bigger and bigger, Imagine in my room, even my custom watercooling loop suffer from the heat I have in my room, imagine PS5, is gonna go down to 6tf

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I'll try to expose my (unbiased) opinion.

So far I must applaud Phil Spencer for how he and the X Team have been handling the XSX reveal. They went at the Game Awards for the first words about it and later straight to DF and online media which is aimed at gamers. I thought this was much better than Sony staying shut for months and then coming up with a video that was meant for GDC. If you're making a reveal for the gamers and the indystry as a whole just do something better. That reveal was pretty bad IMO.

That said, I think PS5 and XSX have very different approaches. Graphically speaking there's no doubt the XSX is stronger. But there's a lot more to talk about here. Its APU is probably a lot bigger and having almost 50% more CUs than PS5's APU will make it a lot more expensive. PS5 is probably a lot faster than the X and I'm wondering how much of a difference this will make while gaming.

Seeing how bad the economy is right now (and probably will be for a long time), I think the cheapest console will have a better time selling. And in this case I think PS5 will comfortably sell for $100 less than the XSX. If Lockhart had been put on hold or even cancelled, at this point I believe Microsoft will make a big deal out of it in the next few months. And no, I don't believe it'll be a 4TF box. I believe they'll go as close as PS5 as they can while keeping a cheaper price.

HeisenbergFX4 watchya think

Its all about that pricing.

If the V can get close to $100 under then its still a win for PS.

Xbox went for the throat and I applaud them.

I still can't wait to see what Sony first party Devs do with that power and that SSD speed.

I said awhile back I see the battleground of being in their tag lines:

Xbox - Most Powerful

PS5 - Fastest

 

[TheStruggler]

As much as I dont care and generallt was curious about the specs, I an only feel that this is a misstep by Sony, and I have no idea how they did...?

 

[Deeper Underground]

i agree 100% this is creating such a divide in the gaming community right now its disgusting.

All this video did was expose who actually plays games and who was just in it for the “power crown”. This looks to be the classic case of “Speed vs. Power” and both companies are taking a different approach. The fact that Sony’s SSD smokes the dogshit out of the XSX’s yet the only came % wise behind the XSX is quite amazing. Now it makes sense why insiders were saying it’s not going to be clear who is more powerful because both machines are going about this in different ways.

 

[Shio]

Damn straight, and I was expecting something around that 11.6 to 12.4 (maybe in the middle) for high-end, too. Again I'm not personally disappointed or anything; TONS of signs were pointing to something like this. But I know a lot of other people are probably upset ATM and need to collect themselves.

Only thing that honestly shocked me is how there isn't full PS4 BC, I'm wondering what's causing the issue there.

Anyway if it's $399 I'm in, still don't know if I'll get it or XSX first tho. Been a blast having you here dude, same for the other devs and insiders. People shouldn't be mad at the messengers, or even Sony imho. MS just turned out to be THAT hungry this time around, that's all. Next gen's gonna be fine.

I think they are planning on boosting PS4 games somehow as he mentioned that at higher frequency it can cause some problems in some games but the majority are running really well. I took this as they are doing something extra to the games such as higher resolutions etc

 

[CrustyBritches]

Remember when it was the Xbox fans that were going to be spinning numbers to try to make up the disparity to the "13TF" PS5?

Team Apisak/Komachi/AquariusZi...

 

[Bladed Thesis]

So, no. You asked if PS5 will hold back next gen.

If the GPU and RAM speeds are comparable to the Scarlett, then yes. But no. But yes.

It's the same, but different.

 

[Insane Metal]

I, Insane Metal, hereby apologise to all users who said github was right and I made fun of. I'll eat crow happily.

 

[Fun Fanboy]

Quite a few regulars absent from the forum today lol. Also i wonder if Estomahz is going to apolagize to Github believers, the ridicule really was nasty at times.

He never responded back to me in the console smack down thread.

 

[Reindeer]

It was true

 

[Achillias]

I just have to laugh on all the Sony fanboys in this topic who where expecting a more powerful console in comparison to Xbox and the Series X. .

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Total guesswork

10.6-10.9tf (which is purposely done to be outside of insider calls and smack dab in the middle of 9.2 and 12-13tf)
RDNA 2
16 gb GDDR6
1TB SSD drive is better than SeX at 3.6 gb/s

As a non-insider, looks my guess was better than 90% of insiders.

I was only off the tf count by about half a tf, RDNA 2 and 16gb GDDR6 were right. 1TB SSD was close.

Only thing I was way off is SSD speed.

 

[DiddyInAHellcat]

Don't judge me I was on that train been a PlayStation fan for years but now I will be getting both systems

 

[FacelessSamurai]

Yeah! And I genuinely believe that 9-10 TFs is more than enough to produce insanely good looking games. I really couldn't care less if the Xbox has 20% more raw power or something. PS5 exclusives will look better than any multiplat anyway, just like this gen.

It must feel good to live in denial! You also part of the cult of thelastword?

 

[Sethbacca]

so they planned CV19? are you kidding me? they just went cheap. they could not make it with 40cu or 44cu? you want consoles as close us possible for the best results in gaming.

Is that seriously how you read that? Okay...

No, my point is that this may end up working to their favor in spite of themselves. I'm not sure how the hell you came to the other conclusion.

 

[newtonfb]

Guess we found out why Sony has been so quiet....

 

[Colbert]

You like to check 16T on PS5, caused Sony said nothing about SMT.

Oh it is SMT-off?
Great!

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Microsoft came out swinging these past months, can't wait for their games. Pretty sure they were so fed up with current gen that they just want to do everything right this time. They are going to have the better launch lineup for sure.

 

[Esppiral]

The amount of posts downplaying the difference in power between both machines have me shocked, 2TF of Difference is like going from nothing to Spiderman, GOD of War or Uncharted 4 lol.

Also it seems no ones remember the shitshow comparing trees, vegetation density etc on early games this gen, now nothing of that matters? Lol the bias is real.

 

[Three Jackdaws]

Lmao yall need to relax, a lot of people complaining about the PS5 will calm down once they see the games of the PS5

 

[CrustyBritches]

I, Insane Metal, hereby apologise to all users who said github was right and I made fun of. I'll eat crow happily.

Don't eat any of that nasty crow, brother. You were cool the whole time. Save it for the "Insiders" and the aggressive meanies.

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

So basically this was the max people were expecting were it to keep the traditional form factor. Hopefully it's $399 with smaller parts running at higher speeds to achieve that number

 

[xPikYx]

And whats with this ray tracing on ps5? It sounded like Cerny just avoidEd it for sone reason or was it just me?

He said the console manages, but rasterization is good

 

[Fake]

If the GPU and RAM speeds are comparable to the Scarlett, then yes. But no. But yes.

It's the same, but different.

Silly questions get silly answers.

 

[sinnergy]

Isn’t ray tracing coupled to cu’s? Any one ? What does it mean for 36 Cu / 52 Cu.

 

[Metroiddarks]

what if they do a $299 mic drop ? would you still be complaining ?

Yeah but lets face this arrogant Sony again and that price is impossible, they invest again money in hardware which in the end of day will care less than the GPU (hi PS3).... please at least have good exclusives.

 

[Shio]

there's 1 extra CU with secret sauce.

DIdn't he say that the CU in the audio part was equivalent to the whole PS4 CPU and that it was very much like the PS3 SPU?, not sure but did he say other code could be run on this? maybe further down the line this chip could be used to help PS3 emulation?

 

[gamechanger87]

Their SSD solution is going to be expensive and might be the hill they die on which I hate.

The fact that they are pushing the "no proprietary" angle is absurd. There are no SSDs available at that speed so that means there is no expandable storage out of the gate.

When they do eventually launch they need to be certified and will be as expensive as proprietary.

This feels more like you all figure it out.

 

[Dodkrake]

Of course, if the roomyou put the console in is not too hot, otherwise it selfdownclock and the difference getting bigger and bigger, Imagine in my room, even my custom watercooling loop suffer from the heat I have in my room, imagine PS5, is gonna go down to 6tf

Are you in the sahara?

 

[Hhhhttt]

I love how everyone is a developer here and understands how a difference of less than 2 TFLOPS means the end of ps5

 

[pasterpl]

Inside PlayStation 5: the specs and the tech that deliver Sony's next-gen vision

www.eurogamer.net

 

[Reindeer]

Remember when 11+ tflops was a fact and people were calling for Githubers to get banned? Yeah, good times.

 

[FrozenFlame]

Btw, how come XSX doesn't seem to have problems with BC and PS5 does? I thought it would be easier due to the PS4 architecture?

 

[doge_life02]

Tommy Fisher man you are totally off

Most that are disappointed at the tflops are hilarious ofc Sony will go for a more consumer friendly system and I for one will buy it.

 

[zubairali2]

All this video did was expose who actually plays games and who was just in it for the “power crown”. This looks to be the classic case of “Speed vs. Power” and both companies are taking a different approach. The fact that Sony’s SSD smokes the dogshit out of the XSX’s yet the only came % wise behind the XSX is quite amazing. Now it makes sense why insiders were saying it’s not going to be clear who is more powerful because both machines are going about this in different ways.

give it a few months lol that SSD will really show this is worth A LOT.

 

[Nickolaidas]

Jason wins the day yet *again*.

Now, OsirisBlack Gavin Stevens HeisenbergFX4 , I legitimately do NOT think you're fakes or trolls. I sincerely believe you were speaking based on what you were told, and you never intended to fuck with us. Please keep hanging out here.

Now, I am not REALLY disappointed with the PS5 specs, because I trust the devs to do some good magic with that SSD.

But, what I *am* disappointed with, is the lack of info in certain things. For example:

We still have no idea how improved the PS4 games will be when running on a PS5. Will they load faster? Will they run on Native 4K? Will the fps be increased? No info whatsoever, and hats off to MS for showing their cards on that front.
HipHopGamer and TOmmy FIsher turned out to be wrong on the PS1/PS2/PS3 BC, but I don't really care because I don't have any PS1/PS2/PS3 games on my library anymore.
Cerny made 3D audio seem much more interesting than I think it actually is, but I'll reserve judgment until I see results.
Cerny HIMSELF admitted the PS4 Pro is LOUD AS FUCK when playing God of War, so all you assholes who claimed the PS4 Pro is 'whisper quiet' can go fuck yourselves. IMMA NOT CRAZY, YUR CRAZY.
However, he sounded pretty reassuring that despite OVERCLOCKING THE FUCK OUT OF THE PS5 … it will be VERY quiet. This has my attention. How, Cerny? How will you make the PS5 so quiet when it's so overclocked?

 

[On Demand]

What about VRS? Multiple games suspended? RT performance? PS4 accessories on PS5?

 

[Reindeer]

Tommy Fisher man you are totally off

Most that are disappointed at the tflops are hilarious ofc Sony will go for a more consumer friendly system and I for one will buy it.

Tommy was probably TimDog trolling PlayStation fans.

 

[Rudius]

I think everyone is missing the part where Cerny was talking about the performance gain from higher clock speed instead of lower clock but more CU's ?

Realistically I reckon it's probably on par with the SeX in terms of max power considering this and the SSD speeds.

But Sony will have the cheaper price at $399 for sure but at the end of the day people play games at 4K 60FPS who is going to care ?

SeX will be $499 and as people do, they will buy whatever is cheapest.

PS5 Pro will be the 8K system and realistically most people only have 4K TV currently so no point in pushing the power to the limit. This isn't a PC so it's a different preformance scale so PS5 will not hold back anything.

Smart move by Sony but poor delivery

Someone has to do a test with similar GPUS, one very fast and narrow and the other broad and slower. From what I have seen in the past at the same Tflop the higher clocked one is faster. How much faster? That is the question that will give a true comparison the PS5 performance versus Series X.

 

[hemo memo]

Microsoft learned for the pricing of last gen. I don’t expect a big price difference. Microsoft did every step right this far. They’ll not screw up the price.

 

[chemical boy]

@Mod of War

Lets face it, guys: We have been trolled by fake insiders.

OsirisBlack 12.4TF
Tommy Fisher 13.3TF 52CU
Gavin Stevens 11.6TF 52CU
@-Jay-Rod- 12TF

Ban! ☝

The difference is too big, I feel that several users have laughed at us and really did not know anything.

 

[Dodkrake]

The amount of posts downplaying the difference in power between both machines have me shocked, 2TF of Difference is like going from nothing to Spiderman, GOD of War or Uncharted 4 lol.

Also it seems no ones remember the shitshow comparing trees, vegetation density etc on early games this gen, now nothing of that matters? Lol the bias is real.

Earlier this gen you were comparing lower detail at lower res. You were comparing a 40% power difference. Now you're comparing not even 17%.

Is maths not your forte?

 

[sonomamashine]

10,28TF at best, it's variable = lower.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Looks like Oberon leaks were right.

The only thing they didn't see was Sony increasing the clockspeed from 2 ghz to 2.23 ghz, which makes the system go from 9.2tf to 10.3tf.

 

[longdi]

DIdn't he say that the CU in the audio part was equivalent to the whole PS4 CPU and that it was very much like the PS3 SPU?, not sure but did he say other code could be run on this? maybe further down the line this chip could be used to help PS3 emulation?

Im sure that is just built into every Amd RDNA2 gpu, which you will hear about soon.
It is probably nothing worthy for MS to bring up.
Unlike poor Sony, needs every secret sauce.

 

[Handy Fake]

Amma wait for the teardown.

 

[Symax]

in my opinion, I feel that the moderators allowed all of these "insiders" to post here in the past months (and they'll allow them to post here in the future as well) because it drummed up more usage on this site. It sucks that no one will face any repercussion for posting info that was not real, even if they did so with the right intentions @Mod of War @Faust

It was a smart move in the short term but one cant ignore the damage it has done to the reputation and credibility of this place. How is anybody supposed to believe in insiders now.

 

[sinnergy]

Remember when 11+ tflops was a fact and people were calling for Githubers to get banned? Yeah, good times.

I was banned... but I posted shit in the end, because I was fed up of repeating the realistic github leak and getting laughed at.