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[DiddyKongRacing69]

Atari 800 VCS Console Gets a Release Date, Costs $399

You'd have to scroll all the way back to Twinfinite's initial report back in 2017 to find the first rumblings of a new Atari console. It was officially

twinfinite.net

Fortnite, which every system has
a collection old games that most probably haven't aged well at all
an old remastered verison of an old game
32 GB when alot of the triple AAA go above that
400 dollars.

this is a joke

 

[Handy Fake]

Atari 800 VCS Console Gets a Release Date, Costs $399

You'd have to scroll all the way back to Twinfinite's initial report back in 2017 to find the first rumblings of a new Atari console. It was officially

twinfinite.net

Fortnite, which every system has
a collection old games that most probably haven't aged well at all
an old remastered verison of an old game
32 GB when alot of the triple AAA go above that
400 dollars.

this is a joke

Took one look at the joystick and the memory of all those blisters on my palm came surging back like PTSD.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Let the “games” begin...

 

[Dodkrake]

So you mean doing more per clock is better but only where sony slower lol? Clocking to the moon has always been bad. People even tried to defend netbust.

Another person that cannot have a discussion without logical fallacies. What Matt said makes total sense, and you don't have to be an Hardware Engineer to understand why it makes total sense. Let's break this down, and then I'll ignore further posts because I'm honestly getting a bit tired of repeating the same point over and over again:

Higher Clocks mean Higher Performance - This is absurd, as I demonstrated in my post. An obsolete processor like the Celeron 5200 from 2008, which was, if I'm not mistaken, one of the overclocking beasts of the time, can clock higher than your default PS5 and Xbox Series X. Does a higher clock speed imply better performance, in this case? No, because you are talking different architectures, core counts, thread counts, caches, etc. A modern I3-U will outperform a jet cooled Celeron 5200.

So, what did Matt mean? - Let's put it like this: We both have Ryzen 2600 systems. They are like for like, and we are both crypto mining. You are using your CPU for mining and have it overclocked to 4.2GHz , I'm using an ASIC card an have my CPU clocked to the default 3.4GHz. My computer will be faster when running CPU bound tasks, as long as we're both mining. Do you know why? Because I have a dedicated ASIC card, akin to what some of the PS5 co-processors are doing (offload CPU cycles) and you are using your CPU power. From what we know so far, directo storage uses "a tenth of a core". So from the get go, processes that are fully offloaded to Co-processors in the PS5 are using CPU cycles in your Xbox.

Now, this doesn't mean that the PS5 doesn't use CPU cycles for whatever non-gaming tasks they have, or that the Xbox Series X processor will not outperform (ever so slightly, it's less than 3% difference between both) the PS5, but the argument is so asinine that:

1. Without knowing all the facts, 100Mhz difference is anything to go by, as the PS5 may either have the CPU advantage or a >3% disadvantage over the Xbox Series X
2. Assuming if both systems have the same exact amount of CPU cycles available for games, that <3% difference (or <2 frames if your baseline is 60 frames) is a massive or even substantial advantage. It's a minute difference.

Hope I clarified the argument. Feel free to console war from here on.

 

[sircaw]

Some big bombs still to come.

What a month this is going to be.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Some big bombs still to come.

What a month this is going to be.

If that SoP is still this month, rumours point it to be on August. And there's digital Gamescom too.

 

[Insane Metal]

And he's officially certified for CPR.

Does he work for Microsoft?

Oh nevermind, it's CPR, not PR.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

 

[saintjules]

Great! I expected this. Take my money already dammit.

 

[SportsFan581]

Atari 800 VCS Console Gets a Release Date, Costs $399

You'd have to scroll all the way back to Twinfinite's initial report back in 2017 to find the first rumblings of a new Atari console. It was officially

twinfinite.net

Fortnite, which every system has
a collection old games that most probably haven't aged well at all
an old remastered verison of an old game
32 GB when alot of the triple AAA go above that
400 dollars.

this is a joke

Imagine the poor kid that wants a new console this Xmas, only to find this turd under the tree.

 

[Thirty7ven]

The system level interface, the Dual Sense features, the new PSN/+/Now, and more games.

Lovely news.

 

[Handy Fake]

Imagine the poor kid that wants a new console this Xmas, only to find this turd under the tree.

Dat wood finish though.

 

[DiddyKongRacing69]

At least the SNES, NES, Genesis classics had the good sense of being comparably cheap nostalgia novelties.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Explains why their first event wasn't the most amazing list of games we could've gotten

 

[Thirty7ven]

So not only did cerny invent the SSD, hardware io, now he is engineering rdna3. I just love the Sony narratives. Does he have time to engineer the zen4? Can't wait for the next one. Maybe the PS5 has some rdna6 technology in it that shit futuristic lol.

You could at least put some effort into your Mickey Mouse league trolling, otherwise you end up showing wanting and lacking any sort of information that lets you be up to speed on the things you are commenting about.

 

[Dodkrake]

Now, another post which we should all take with a massive grain of salt (this is based on the current available information on both consoles).

We can all agree that the Xbox Series X has the advantage in GPU grunt, with an advantage of ~1.8TF. Let's make this 2TF, to round things (12TF for the Xbox Series X, 10TF for the PS5). Now, have we considered the implications Smart-Shift may have for games? Going by AMD's data, smartshift improves performance up to 14%, which is nothing to be frowned upon, and matches what Cerny claimed would be the PS5 pulling above it's weight. Now, we all know that consoles and PC's NEVER reach their peak TFlop performance. let's attribute an average of 80% peak utilization, with an average around the 70% mark. I think I'm overshooting numbers here, game devs feel free to correct me.

This would mean that the peak and average utilization numbers for next gen consoles would be

• Peak
  • Xbox Series X - 9.6TFlop
  • PS5 - 8Tflop
• Average
  • Xbox Series X - 8.4Tflop
  • PS5 - 7 Tflop

Now, why does this happen? Well, even though you are running a clockspeed of X, you do not have ALL transistors on at once. If you turn on all your transistors at once, odds are your system will shut down when talking about consoles. This is why your fans will kick in high gear when playing GOW in your PS4, for example. You are turning more transistors on, consuming more power, therefore generating more heat. And here's where the variable clocks come into play + fixed power budget + smartshift.

With Smartshift, your system will automatically assign whatever unused power your CPU or GPU have to the other party, meaning that you can do more with the same clockspeeds. No system will have "full" utilization of their available GPU / CPU power at ALL times, meaning you will have some leftover power. This allows you to switch on more transistors in one of them (while the other is under lower utilization), providing that performance improvement AMD mentions. So, what does this mean?

It means that either Sony managed to pull a rabbit out of their Hat, or that this will be a massive failure. However, assuming this is a success and does perform as AMD claims:

• Peak
  • Xbox Series X - 9.6TFlop
  • PS5 - Anything between 8TFlop and 9.12Tflop
• Average
  • Xbox Series X - 8.4Tflop
  • PS5 - Anything between 7Tflop and 7.98 Tflop

The difference is not, obviously, enough to catch up with the XBSX, however it does close the gap.

There is, however, the downside. If the game is not "properly optimized", paraphrasing Cerny, the console may downclock one or even two components for a "couple percent". This difference is negligible.

Notes: there's a lot of assumptions, as I've mentioned, and you should take this with a massive grain of salt. I just wanted to provide added context to this conundrum.

 

[Gediminas]

I hope it's not 95% indie games like PS5 event. Come on MS.

yeah, right, Sony showed just 1 game which was not indie.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

At least the SNES, NES, Genesis classics had the good sense of being comparably cheap nostalgia novelties.

I believe seeing the Family Game (NES) was being sold for only 5 OMR ($13 USD) around Sega MegaDrive.

 

[SlimySnake]

I hope it's not 95% indie games like PS5 event. Come on MS.

agreed. no one wants to see indie shit in a next gen showcase. i dont know wtf sony was thinking there. keep that shit in a state of play or something. 1-2 indie games max.

focus instead on 5-10 minute long gameplay demos like Uncharted 4, tlou2, gow, and ghost of tshushima.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Explains why their first event wasn't the most amazing list of games we could've gotten

As long as they leave that large wave of indies out of this second event, I'm thrilled.

 

[B_Boss]

Upcoming Xcloud based controller:

This tiny Xbox controller is designed for Microsoft’s xCloud service

This miniature Xbox controller even supports custom button mapping.

www.theverge.com

Veeeeery interesting choice in controller design for Xcloud lol.

 

[PSX]

 

[3liteDragon]

Well Warzone Season 5 begins early August, and there were reports from VGC that Infinity Ward plans to reveal CoD 2020 (Black Ops: Cold War) through an in-game event in Warzone. Maybe a simultaneous reveal with PlayStation’s State of Play?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I hope it's not 95% indie games like PS5 event. Come on MS.

AAA/AA:

Spider-Man: Miles Morales
Gran Turismo 7
Godfall
Horizon Forbidden West
Resident Evil 8: Village
Demon's Souls
Grand Theft Auto 5 enhanced
Project Athia
Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart
Sackboy: A Big Adventure
NBA 2K21
Destruction AllStars
Deathloop
Returnal
Hitman 3
Astro's Playroom
Pragmata
FIFA 21
Ghostwire: Tokyo

Indie:

Oddworld: Soulstorm
Solar Ash
Stray
Goodbye Volcano High
Bugsnax
Jett: The Far Shore
Kena: Bridge of the Spirits
Little Devil Inside

EDIT: Thanks to Kusarigama that told me that Ghostwire: Tokyo is actually AAA. So 18 (+GTA5, won't count that) AAA/AA games and 8 indies. 69.23% is AAA/AA and 30.77% is indie.

 

[Shin]

Man, just move on, you already suggested this thread should be closed, why are you even still here if you don't like it?

I did and was playing FF14, until you decided to quote me, perhaps look at the timestamp before quoting someone blindly?
Perhaps you and GermanZapp should take your own advice and refrain from responding instead of ending up being hypocrites?
How about trying to single me out for not sharing your views in regards to this thread, that is the very definition of being a tool, is it not?

This is my last response in regards to closing the topic, I'll repeat since reading seems to be difficult - Bill O'Rights already gave a response.
The rest is just noise that believe their words have more weight - it's called superiority complex.

 

[Wraith Phantom]

Well yeah Jeff grub had listed a state of play announced for August on his list. Most importantly Jim Ryan said there was much more PS5 news to come.

I still reckon Konami rumors were half true. I didn't believe the part about Sony buying the IP's. But I believed in exclusive game section. I definitely believe more when the silent hill reboot rumour did not go away. I defo see the MGS1 remake & Castlevania reboot in the style of bloodborne. As True.

Im not sure how far PS will go with these reveals.They are probably just showing us the road map for 2/3 years. The other stuff they are working on. Do not need to show up.Just first few years of incoming games is good enough road map. Everyone is playing catch up to SSD built games & engine updates are due. So no need to false promise with cgi trailers of project X. Just show games in the next 2/3 year road map.Its good enough. These are not yearly games. There's going to be delays , drought periods. 2/3 year road map is good enough.

 

[sircaw]

I am going to be so sad if Microsoft opens their event with a GTA5 enhanced.

To me, it was the worst part of Sony's last show., Besides Volcano high, sorry Slimy snake i know it was your favourite.

Rockstar's reach is infectious.

 

[SSfox]

This gif is too good. But i don't think GOW will be shown in next SOP, too soon imo.

 

[SSfox]

I am going to be so sad if Microsoft opens their event with a GTA5 enhanced.

To me, it was the worst part of Sony's last show., Besides Volcano high, sorry Slimy snake i know it was your favourite.

Rockstar's reach is infectious.

No way, it was shown on PS5 because they have deal, so this won't be show on Xbox event, in the other hand, hopefully the "rumoured" RDR remake will be confirmed and shown soon, like in MS show maybe?

 

[Insane Metal]

AAA/AA:

Spider-Man: Miles Morales
Gran Turismo 7
Godfall
Horizon Forbidden West
Resident Evil 8: Village
Demon's Souls
Grand Theft Auto 5 enhanced
Project Athia
Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart
Sackboy: A Big Adventure
NBA 2K21
Destruction AllStars
Deathloop
Returnal
Hitman 3
Astro's Playroom
Pragmata
FIFA 21

Indie:

Oddworld: Soulstorm
Solar Ash
Stray
Goodbye Volcano High
Bugsnax
Ghostwire: Tokyo
Jett: The Far Shore
Kena: Bridge of the Spirits
Little Devil Inside

So 17 (+GTA5, won't count that) AAA/AA games and 9 indies. 65.38% is AAA/AA and 34.62% is indie.

Rephrasing then: I hope MS doesn't show 95% indie-looking games. don't hate me I'm jk

 

[sircaw]

No way, it was shown on PS5 because they have deal, in the other hand, hopefully the "rumoured" RDR remake will be confirmed and shown soon, like in MS show maybe?

Could well be, forgot about that game.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Rephrasing then: I hope MS doesn't show 95% indie-looking games. don't hate me I'm jk

I think anyone expecting Microsoft to show something near the level (not equal) of PS5 console/games reveal is really setting the bar too high and isn't paying enough attention to the gaming industry.

 

[SlimySnake]

I am going to be so sad if Microsoft opens their event with a GTA5 enhanced.

To me, it was the worst part of Sony's last show., Besides Volcano high, sorry Slimy snake i know it was your favourite.

Rockstar's reach is infectious.

lol no, Bugsnax was my favorite. I never knew the ssd could make such a thing possible.

Sony opening with GTAV, a game literally two gens old, proved to me a few things:
- Jim Ryan is clueless.
- This show is not gonna be like E3 2015 or E3 2016
- Rockstar has gotten lazy and greedy

 

[sircaw]

lol no, Bugsnax was my favorite. I never knew the ssd could make such a thing possible.

Sony opening with GTAV, a game literally two gens old, proved to me a few things:
- Jim Ryan is clueless.
- This show is not gonna be like E3 2015 or E3 2016
- Rockstar has gotten lazy and greedy

Not sure about clueless, Rockstar probably funded the entire shows production by going first.
Te the rest of the points sure.

And as for Bugs game, i like bugs. Favourite snack.

 

[Crimson_Fate]

I had no problems dedicating part of the PS5 reveal to Indies . Besides 1st Party, its the indies who are going to adopt new console features faster then cross platform developers. Cross platform are generally going to build to a common denominator of hardware unless there is a money hat.

 

[jose4gg]

Sony opening with GTAV, a game literally two gens old, proved to me a few things:
- Jim Ryan is clueless.
- This show is not gonna be like E3 2015 or E3 2016
- Rockstar has gotten lazy and greedy

I think people are still forgetting that the GTA V announcement was because it will be a free game for every PS5 buyer...

 

[T-Cake]

Microsoft going to open with GTA VI.

 

[T-Cake]

I think people are still forgetting that the GTA V announcement was because it will be a free game for every PS5 buyer...

I don't think this is right.

They are spinning off the GTA V online portion as a free game for the first three months of its launch. They've said nothing about the enhanced single player portion.

 

[sircaw]

I think people are still forgetting that the GTA V announcement was because it will be a free game for every PS5 buyer...

A Free game full of MICRO-TRANSACTIONS.

Lets call it what it is.

 

[jose4gg]

A Free game full of MICRO-TRANSACTIONS.

Lets call it what it is.

I've played GTA V online, there are a lot of benefits for microtransactions, however, is one of the very few games where you can get everything you want if you like to play it much... And I'm not talking about playing hundred of hours to be able to afford something, I'm talking about playing it regularly and you will be able to enjoy it as anyone that pays for it... So yea, it's a free game.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I think people are still forgetting that the GTA V announcement was because it will be a free game for every PS5 buyer...

I don't think it will be a free game but I do believe it will be a free upgrade. So basically smart delivery for GTAV on next gen consoles.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I've played GTA V online, there are a lot of benefits for microtransactions, however, is one of the very few games where you can get everything you want if you like to play it much... And I'm not talking about playing hundred of hours to be able to afford something, I'm talking about playing it regularly and you will be able to enjoy it as anyone that pays for it... So yea, it's a free game.

Although I hate GTAV Online, having 2 games for free at launch (Astro's Playroom + GTAV Online) is a very generous offering, along with that $1 million in-game for the first 3 months?

GTA V is coming to PS5 — and GTA Online will be free

The PS5 is getting a GTA V remaster in 2021

www.tomsguide.com

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

People still running with this PS5 indie event nonsense

 

[Bladed Thesis]

AAA/AA:

Spider-Man: Miles Morales
Gran Turismo 7
Godfall
Horizon Forbidden West
Resident Evil 8: Village
Demon's Souls
Grand Theft Auto 5 enhanced
Project Athia
Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart
Sackboy: A Big Adventure
NBA 2K21
Destruction AllStars
Deathloop
Returnal
Hitman 3
Astro's Playroom
Pragmata
FIFA 21

Indie:

Oddworld: Soulstorm
Solar Ash
Stray
Goodbye Volcano High
Bugsnax
Ghostwire: Tokyo
Jett: The Far Shore
Kena: Bridge of the Spirits
Little Devil Inside

So 17 (+GTA5, won't count that) AAA/AA games and 9 indies. 65.38% is AAA/AA and 34.62% is indie.

You are mostly correct and the hyperbole around indies at the PS5 event is a bit much but let's not pretend like Destruction Allstars, Astro's Playroom or Sackboy are AAA games. First party, sure, but AAA? Has the AAA designation lost all meaning? Even when LBP was at its hayday and popular, it wasn't a AAA game by any stretch of the title. We also don't know the scope of games like Pragmata, Returnal, Project Athia, Godfall or Deathloop to comment on them being AAA.

Giving the benefit of the doubt to Deathloop and maybe even Pragmata or Returnal, that gives us more of a 37.5% AAA percentage compared to a 62.5% indie.

Any there's nothing wrong with indie games to be sure but the scope and budget of a lot of these games will not be to the scale of a AAA title. I'm still excited for them, especially Returnal and Pragmata. Shit looks good.

 

[Great Hair]

I hope it's not 95% indie games like PS5 event. Come on MS.

agreed. no one wants to see indie shit in a next gen showcase. i dont know wtf sony was thinking there. keep that shit in a state of play or something. 1-2 indie games max.

focus instead on 5-10 minute long gameplay demos like Uncharted 4, tlou2, gow, and ghost of tshushima.

looks like i was too late

Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

https://twinfinite.net/2020/07/atari-800-vcs-console-gets-a-release-date-costs-399/ Fortnite, which every system has a collection old games that most probably haven't aged well at all an old remastered verison of an old game 32 GB when alot of the triple AAA go above that 400 dollars. this is...

www.neogaf.com

FULL or timed exclusive to launch 2020 (not all).

Little Devil Inside, Bugsnax, Astro Playroom (free with every PS5). Death Loop, Demon´s Souls RE, GT7, Horizon2, Kena, Returnal, Sackboy , Stray?, Godfall, Spiderman PS5 and Ratchet&Clank will outclass anything they got to show.

PS5 games by genre

Spoiler

1x racing with 5.5mill. views (WE GT SLUTS ARE THIRS:TEEEE AS FUCK!!!)
1x action hero licensed game with over 12mill. views (SWINGER)
4x platformer with close to 7mill. views
1x fast paced action shooter in space with switching worlds everytime you die by the guys behind RESOGUN close to 800K views (TPV-FAST-PACED_ACTION)
1x remake of Demons´s Souls close to 2.8mill. views (GITGUD)
1x outcasted female protagonist with 6.7mill. views (ARPG)
1x sexy looking ego shooter set in the 60s? with a neat mechanic with 700K views (PewPew)
1x TPV Hack&Slasher with LOOTING DEAD BODIES for those into that with close to 1mill. views (NOICE)

total views + PS5 reveal (main channel)
games (missing RE8 and others) 35mill views
PS5 reveal 27mill. views
generated views within 3 days (62 million views)
Metacritic Score 88%

What to expect from MS July

FM8
FH5 teaser
Halo 6 + TV Show by Spielberg and Peter Jackson´s Halo adaption.
Playground´s RPG
Rare´s Everwild (my fav.)
Sea of Thieves updates
potentially Gears6
first glimpse of The Initiative´s Single Player Game (hated so much by Phil.)
Hellblade 2
some indies as well
boring Flight Simu. shown on floor with a gamepad
minecraft raytracing again, different world
hopefully "live" demonstration of BC with older titles and how they get patched by the A.I to make them look nice/HDR (this is what interests me the most)
Obisidians shitty, lameass ripoff "Survival for Kids" Grounded for "papa gimmie money. Need to buy me some weapon, gotta defend myself from da bugs!"
1 or 2 surprises ...
Metacritic Score 74%

 

[jose4gg]

I don't think it will be a free game but I do believe it will be a free upgrade. So basically smart delivery for GTAV on next gen consoles.

GTA V is coming to PS5 — and GTA Online will be free

The PS5 is getting a GTA V remaster in 2021

redirect.viglink.com

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

You are mostly correct and the hyperbole around indies at the PS5 event is a bit much but let's not pretend like Destruction Allstars, Astro's Playroom or Sackboy are AAA games. First party, sure, but AAA? Has the AAA designation lost all meaning? Even when LBP was at its hayday and popular, it wasn't a AAA game by any stretch of the title. We also don't know the scope of games like Pragmata, Returnal, Project Athia, Godfall or Deathloop to comment on them being AAA.

Giving the benefit of the doubt to Deathloop and maybe even Pragmata or Returnal, that gives us more of a 37.5% AAA percentage compared to a 62.5% indie.

Any there's nothing wrong with indie games to be sure but the scope and budget of a lot of these games will not be to the scale of a AAA title. I'm still excited for them, especially Returnal and Pragmata. Shit looks good.

He said AAA/AA

Just because a game isn't AAA doesn't make it an indie

 

[sircaw]

I've played GTA V online, there are a lot of benefits for microtransactions, however, is one of the very few games where you can get everything you want if you like to play it much... And I'm not talking about playing hundred of hours to be able to afford something, I'm talking about playing it regularly and you will be able to enjoy it as anyone that pays for it... So yea, it's a free game.

I understand your point, its valid..

I just found it personally sad that they would open up a new generation of consoles, with what is essentially an old cash cow of a game with a fresh lick of paint.

I don't think it was a good look. They should of slotted it in towards the mid/end.

Open with Horizon, Rachet, i mean Sony has the best games in the world, use one of them just not GTA5

 

[Bo_Hazem]

You are mostly correct and the hyperbole around indies at the PS5 event is a bit much but let's not pretend like Destruction Allstars, Astro's Playroom or Sackboy are AAA games. First party, sure, but AAA? Has the AAA designation lost all meaning? Even when LBP was at its hayday and popular, it wasn't a AAA game by any stretch of the title. We also don't know the scope of games like Pragmata, Returnal, Project Athia, Godfall or Deathloop to comment on them being AAA.

Giving the benefit of the doubt to Deathloop and maybe even Pragmata or Returnal, that gives us more of a 37.5% AAA percentage compared to a 62.5% indie.

Any there's nothing wrong with indie games to be sure but the scope and budget of a lot of these games will not be to the scale of a AAA title. I'm still excited for them, especially Returnal and Pragmata. Shit looks good.

You went too fast reading there though, wrote AAA/AA above it. And I think some will kill for an indie like Stray, Ghostwire, Kena at least. Most of these games are day one for me, at least. I think it covered most flavors there. But if Sony only showed their 9 PS Studio games then that alone is extremely solid and I can't see MS getting close to that, not to mention the spades near the chest that aren't shown yet.

 

[Cobbet]

Hi guys! Just popping in to say that I´m looking forward for MS show. I hope they bring their a-game. On another note, SONYs Tempest Engine is very intresting, seems to be very flexible.
That´s all, take care out there and let´s hope this freaking virus will be gone before the year ends.