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[Senua]

The scope is not a factor in graphical beauty. Whether those games render the entire planet or not has no bearing on which game has the better-looking graphics. Microsoft Flight Simulator's graphics are an extremely impressive technical achievement, but they're not the "best ever by far."

Trailers don't tell the whole story. You have not played the game. You should likely stop arguing with someone who did (extensively) and take a step back.

Here's Seattle from up close at maximum settings, and it's one of the most detailed cities of the game. Impressive? Yes. Best ever? Nope.

Mate considering the scope of this game, thats like zooming right into an individual grass blade in TLOU2 and saying LOL LOOK AT THIS WEAK SHIT. they are giving you the ENTIRE world for the first time in a game, you think it's all going to look like TLOU2 close up? what ridiculous standards you have for this game, think for a second.

 

[INC]

Trailer looks absolutely amazing, great reviews too. Massive temptation to get some gear and get into it but I cannot shake the vivid image in my mind of not being able to figure out how to push back from the parking stall and never getting airborne

It has a casual mode i believe, so u can just fly on a pad.......I think?

 

[M.W.]

Best looking game ever, confirmed

 

[Bryank75]

You're talking about art style Bryank. Flight Simulator's art style is 'Reality'.

Nobody is downplaying the game, but you have to consider there is far less work that goes into an airplanes wing or cockpit (less geometry, texture etc etc) than a human face, clothing... it has the benefit of being miles away from most of the assets on the topography, so it doesn't undergo the same scrutiny.....

So basically all that has to be rendered in very high detail is the plane model.

It is a beautiful game. But lets not get ahead of ourselves.

 

[M.W.]

It has a casual mode i believe, so u can just fly on a pad.......I think?

Yep, that's what I did. Still need a mouse though for some menu stuff.

 

[Orta]

If it was ND, it would only be bi-planes...............ill get my coat

And limited to making transatlantic flights.

 

[Abriael_GN]

Show me a Spiderman screenshot that has that much detail and lighting being physically plausible.

Oh please. Let's be real. The rendering of the world of Spider-man is MUCH more detailed, and that's natural. It'd be extremely surprising if it wasn't.

Mate considering the scope of this game, thats like zooming right into an individual grass blade in TLOU2 and saying LOL LOOK AT THIS WEAK SHIT. they are giving you the ENTIRE world for the first time in a game, you think it's all going to look like TLOU2 close up? what ridiculous standards you have for this game, think for a second.

Again, the scope of the game has zero influence on the beauty of the graphics.

If you told me "this is the game with the biggest scope of all time while retaining gorgeous graphics in a lot of sitiuations" I'd say "yep, it is. 100%"

But that's not what I've been responding to. That's "this is the game with the best graphics of all time, by far." which it simply isn't unless you look it exclusively at its best. You folks are setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

[VFXVeteran]

Nobody is downplaying the game, but you have to consider there is far less work that goes into an airplanes wing or cockpit (less geometry, texture etc etc) than a human face, clothing... it has the benefit of being miles away from most of the assets on the topography, so it doesn't undergo the same scrutiny.....

So basically all that has to be rendered in very high detail is the plane model.

It is a beautiful game. But lets not get ahead of ourselves.

Bryank75 - what about the modeling of the simulation itself (integration of air moving around an airfoil). All the face shit on characters in game (not cinematics) are simple. The shaders are easy. There is no complexity to them except a simple normal map. Look at your character Aloy in gameplay and move the camera up to her face. She's not detailed at all. You are really not being fair in this comparison. You know FS2020 is doing a massive amount of stuff more than a typical game.

 

[Orta]

You probably shouldn't talk so much about the preferences of a community you don't belong to and likely have no experience with.

They're not all like you, are they?

 

[Abriael_GN]

They're not all like you, are they?

Realists? Most of them are.

 

[Stuart360]

Oh please. Let's be real. The rendering of the world of Spider-man is MUCH more detailed, and that's natural. It'd be extremely surprising if it wasn't.



Again, the scope of the game has zero influence on the beauty of the graphics.

If you told me "this is the game with the biggest scope of all time while retaining gorgeous graphics in a lot of sitiuations" I'd say "yep, it is. 100%"

But that's not what I've been responding to. That's "this is the game with the best graphics of all time, by far." which it simply isn't unless you look it exclusively at its best.

Sigh lets agree to dissagree, and say Flight Simulator is the best looking game ever AT ABOVE 500 feet, is that better?.
Compared to most flight sims, that would turn into N64 standards in terms of deatil, at low altitudes, Flight Sim looks borderline awesome at low altitudes.

 

[Abriael_GN]

You know FS2020 is doing a massive amount of stuff more than a typical game.

That is correct. And you should give it credit for that, not for what it doesn't do.

 

[Romulus]

You probably shouldn't talk so much about the preferences of a community you don't belong to and likely have no experience with.

Lol community. All assumptions. Ive been playing sims for 20 years. But you have the typical tactics. Don't agree? Go on the attack. Attack my preferences and next would be the games I've played. Not good enough. Not sim enough. Blatantly obvious tactics. You've done X for more years=better simmer!

 

[VFXVeteran]

That is correct. And you should give it credit for that, not for what it doesn't do.

Dude, you tempt me to load up HZD and move the camera to a blade of grass or walk up to a brick on the road and show you the blurred magnification MIP map to prove the point that you are judging this game based on walking distance instead of it's overall presentation.

 

[Abriael_GN]

Sigh lets agree to dissagree, and say Flight Simulator is the best looking game ever AT ABOVE 500 feet, is that better?.

I can certainly agree with that.

Compared to most flight sims, that would turn into N64 standards in terms of deatil, at low altitudes, Flight Sim looks borderline awesome at low altitudes.

I also agree with that, and I'd say to all flight sims (I don't consider Star Citizen a flight sim). But we weren't comparing it to other flight sims. The comparison was with all games of all time.

Dude, you tempt me to load up HZD and move the camera to a blade of grass or walk up to a brick on the road and show you the blurred magnification MIP map to prove the point that you are judging this game based on walking distance instead of it's overall presentation.

You'll have to get a TON closer, and it won't be even nearly as blurry.

 

[WatDat]

This Abriael dude is really something else! What a hoot.

 

[Bryank75]

Bryank75 - what about the modeling of the simulation itself (integration of air moving around an airfoil). All the face shit on characters in game (not cinematics) are simple. The shaders are easy. There is no complexity to them except a simple normal map. Look at your character Aloy in gameplay and move the camera up to her face. She's not detailed at all. You are really not being fair in this comparison. You know FS2020 is doing a massive amount of stuff more than a typical game.

There's much more than a face though....

Anyway, please enjoy the game. I really don't like commenting in a negative way but the hyperbole was a little annoying to me.
I think we should leave it at that.

 

[Stuart360]

Nobody is downplaying the game, but you have to consider there is far less work that goes into an airplanes wing or cockpit (less geometry, texture etc etc) than a human face, clothing... it has the benefit of being miles away from most of the assets on the topography, so it doesn't undergo the same scrutiny.....

So basically all that has to be rendered in very high detail is the plane model.

It is a beautiful game. But lets not get ahead of ourselves.

Bryank you can try and downplay this as much as you want, come up with reasons why it looks good, and whatever. The fact is it looks amazing, and to try and downplay this, while creaming over a lot of slightly better than current gen looking PS5 games, well it just shows a bias.

 

[Rei dos Vermes]

Yeh I've noticed a price increase and I'd guess it's due to increased demand because of this game.

Going for the T.16000M. Seems to be the best all rounder.

Great choice! I've bought a T.16000 several years ago (the older green version, actually) and it's still feels like brand new. Also, it's one of the few joysticks usable by left-handers like myself.

 

[WatDat]

Are people SERIOUSLY triggered because this game not only LOOKS so good but is receiving consistently high review scores?

I thank the baby Jesus each and every morning that I have a life.

 

[Abriael_GN]

This Abriael dude is really something else! What a hoot.

Sorry (not sorry) for not buying into crazy hyperbole that misrepresents a game I love, setting people up for disappointment.

 

[VFXVeteran]

There's much more than a face though....

OMG! That's exactly what we are trying to say with FS2020!! There is no amount of detail in HZD that matches the detail in FS2020 man. Come on!

Anyway, please enjoy the game. I really don't like commenting in a negative way but the hyperbole was a little annoying to me.

Now you know how others feel when Sony puts out an exclusive title and people go bat-shit over it.

 

[Romulus]

VR in its current form can most definitely be defined a gimmick

Never mind about our entire conversation now. Makes sense, you don't even know what VR is. This post was just last year lol

 

[Abriael_GN]

Never mind about our entire conversation now. Makes sense, you don't even know what VR is. This post was just last year lol

And it's still valid.

 

[WatDat]

Sorry (not sorry) for not buying into crazy hyperbole that misrepresents a game I love, setting people up for disappointment.

Sorry (not sorry), I’m having trouble hearing you from your high horse.

 

[Bryank75]

OMG! That's exactly what we are trying to say with FS2020!! There is no amount of detail in HZD that matches the detail in FS2020 man. Come on!



Now you know how others feel when Sony puts out an exclusive title and people go bat-shit over it.

Airplanes are just simple geometrical shapes and pretty flat surfaces in one reflective color.... what detail is there? Everything can be pictured and reproduced easily....

 

[Stuart360]

With the way certain sections are threatened by this game, i can already tell whats coming up in the next few days. People with poor PC's, that they hardly use for gaming, combined with poor internet, will play this game on a month of Gamepass or something, and try there best to get some crappy screenshots with lack of LOD detail, and low settngs, etc, to try and downplay the game.

Watch this space.

 

[Nikana]

Airplanes are just simple geometrical shapes and pretty flat surfaces in one reflective color.... what detail is there? Everything can be pictured and reproduced easily....

Just stop.

 

[JLMC469]

Suddenly every other game showed on next-gen consoles aged quickly .

Looks insane.

 

[ScaryBrandon]

No, it's niche. Using the Steam charts as reference? Are you serious?

If the game wasn't niche, Xbox would have promoted the hell out of it, they would of damn sure found a way to get this to the console players the same time as the PC guys.

It's a niche game. A great one going by the reviews.

Why not ? Steam is the biggest platform of hardcore gamers dwarfing PSN and Xbox live. Its hilarious how you think everything revolves around consoles when the console market has completely stagnated since the early 2000s and is now distant third behind pc and smartphones.

 

[JLMC469]

Everything can be pictured and reproduced easily....

Then why hasn’t it?

 

[Smiles and Cries]

great start still waiting for the new GPUs to get a PC built for this

 

[Chittagong]

Are people seriously having a pissing contest between Microsoft Flight Simulator and Horizon Zero Dawn

Now I’ve seen it all

 

[WatDat]

Then why hasn’t it?

Just give up. Or ask him what his favorite cutscene in TLOU2 is. LOL

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I did not expect such drama in this thread lol

 

[JLMC469]

According to Bryank75 , this is easy to render:

 

[Nikana]

According to Bryank75 , this is easy to render:

I did it on my Toaster this morning. WHILE IT MADE COFFEE.

 

[Senua]

According to Bryank75 , this is easy to render:

Piece of piss mate, can knock that out in 5 mins tops. Shite

 

[Bryank75]

Just give up. Or ask him what his favorite cutscene in TLOU2 is. LOL

Funny you say that, just before you posted I started a thread criticizing TLOU2 story....

How To Divide A Fanbase - The Last of Us 2 (Full Spoilers)

Here is an excellent video by a writer that breaks down why the story in TLOU2 was poorly executed in his opinion and didn't connect with a large part of the audience that enjoyed the first game... it covers various aspects such as tone, characters, plot armor, character verisimilitude and...

www.neogaf.com

I call it like I see it.

 

[Bryank75]

Piece of piss mate, can knock that out in 5 mins tops. Shite

Much easier and my wife is from Rio and I lived there for almost 2 years, so I should know.

 

[Romulus]

And it's still valid.

Pretty much proves you have no idea what you're saying. VR is the furthest thing from a gimmick, especially when it comes to cockpit sims.

 

[INC]

Piece of piss mate, can knock that out in 5 mins tops. Shite

 

[YodaBB]

Just dusted off the old Saitek X52 Pro for this niche-as-fuck game. In case anyone missed it, changing your region to Kiribati lets you download it now. Settings->Time&lang->Region.

 

[MastAndo]

This thread is a disaster.

Glad to see this game is getting praise...about to dive in, though I'm sure I'll be messing with settings for a while.

 

[Abriael_GN]

I did not expect such drama in this thread lol

Nor did I, especially people imploding because one dares to point out that the graphics are extremely impressive but have flaws and this isn't THE GAME WITH THE BEST GRAPHICS OF ALL GAMES EVAH.

 

[lastmessiah]

but there are plenty of games that could be arguably seen superior thanks to the fact that their visuals don't break at the seams as much like Ghost of Tsushima or TLOU2.

What? There are low quality textures all over those games.

 

[Bryank75]

What? There are low quality textures all over those games.

Nope.

and I quote 'supreme level of detail' , 'bespoke detail' etc.

 

[GaviotaGrande]

Nobody is downplaying the game, but you have to consider there is far less work that goes into an airplanes wing or cockpit (less geometry, texture etc etc) than a human face, clothing... it has the benefit of being miles away from most of the assets on the topography, so it doesn't undergo the same scrutiny.....

So basically all that has to be rendered in very high detail is the plane model.

It is a beautiful game. But lets not get ahead of ourselves.

The game is literally rendering the whole fucking planet.

Are you seriously serious?

 

[Abriael_GN]

What? There are low quality textures all over those games.

They don't get quite as low.

 

[Bryank75]

The game is literally rendering the whole fucking planet.

Are you seriously serious?

Peak hyperbole now. Fucking hell!