Karak
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All Cyberpunk 2077 leaks/spoilers in here and nowhere else.
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OneBigPuss
Member
His channel got demonetized like a year ago and since then is dead so i don't think he will come back.
THEAP99
Banned
I remember waking up and seeing the mixed reactions and just being like "oh boy." It has like 82 on metacritic which was and is fine, but like for Kojima I feel everyone was expecting more and many were underwhelmed by death stranding but still enjoyed it plenty.
I kinda get those vibes with this, especially with the marketing focus on celebrities and how pre-embargo there were many strange hints that the game didn't strike the best cord with some.
Also, in the cyberpunk discord someone said:
"According to some around 6pm UTC +1 (Poland Time) on the 7th (Today depending on your perspective)" for reviews
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thing is those bugs were found by the limited number of players with the game atm. when the gates open for the general population is might get worse.
LectureMaster
Gold Member
Full fledged and arguably most ambitious AAA game without single MTX, heck not even pre-order bonus.lol probably. With the issues we are seeing, I think they might be a bit worried on how its going to be received. I think its smart to hold off on the review embargo on this one. Folks need to get out of their echo chambers and realize some of the issues and missing or removed features will have an impact on some players. Some on here didn't even know of some of the removed features they were hype for, which tells me a reviewer will bring up those things.
We've had open world games with cars before folks, some of theses issues have no excuse after so many delays to be in the title and I'm doubtful a patch will clear them all out.....look at Witcher 3. I think they need to be held to the same standard as a Rockstar or Bethesda.
Can they release an open world game like this only to have missing features from titles they put out 20 years ago, faces missing, people flying, extreme pop in etc? They'd be torn to shreds if that was the case.
Keep that same energy. I want them to WANT to put those features in based on reviewers and gamers and not feel like this is acceptable or something. We simply would not give a pass to another developer who did this. This title seems to be trying to look good more then actually trying to PLAY GOOD and offer unique features. What is to say a Far Cry in the future doesn't do the same thing? ie here is a city, kill missions and cars? Looking good is a given, but this title doesn't even look better then Deus Ex Mankind Divided, so I feel they need to offer a bit more then "it lookeded good doe", this is where those missing features start to make a lot of what they are hyping up as window dressing.
THEAP99 " cd red are a transparent pro-consumer company. " I greatly disagree. They might try to pass themselves off like that, but we've had way too many articles about reversals or 180's or "time to admit something we claimed wasn't going to happen before" etc.
Transparent is lying to consumers about that downgrade on Witcher 3 and only telling fans about this the day after they bought the game?
So I got the bulk of their games day 1, I'm getting Cyberpunk 2077 day 1, but I'd never argue they are transparent or pro-consumer. They simply want to make that appearance, but WHAT THEY FACTUALLY DO shows otherwise. I'm personally not shocked at this. When they lied about that downgrade it was to move units, period. Them not giving out some of those review codes is to sell the game before those reviews start talking about those issues, missing features etc.
Free next-gen update for a 5 year-old game (maybe 6 when the update is live).
24 free dlc for witcher 3 and 2 best bang for the buck major expansions.
DRM free storefront.
Those don't count as pro-consumer, I don't know if "pro-consumer" exists in your universe.
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Saint Boot
Banned
I should prob note if only for myself, that I do not actually need ACG, Angry Joe, and Skillup to do my thinking for me. I also watch them because I appreciate the entertainment value. I have actually been known to go and rewatch older videos of theirs, lol. (also, never expected ACG to actually respond to me either. Little things like that mean a lot to me.)lol probably. With the issues we are seeing, I think they might be a bit worried on how its going to be received. I think its smart to hold off on the review embargo on this one. Folks need to get out of their echo chambers and realize some of the issues and missing or removed features will have an impact on some players. Some on here didn't even know of some of the removed features they were hype for, which tells me a reviewer will bring up those things.
We've had open world games with cars before folks, some of theses issues have no excuse after so many delays to be in the title and I'm doubtful a patch will clear them all out.....look at Witcher 3. I think they need to be held to the same standard as a Rockstar or Bethesda.
Can they release an open world game like this only to have missing features from titles they put out 20 years ago, faces missing, people flying, extreme pop in etc? They'd be torn to shreds if that was the case.
Keep that same energy. I want them to WANT to put those features in based on reviewers and gamers and not feel like this is acceptable or something. We simply would not give a pass to another developer who did this. This title seems to be trying to look good more then actually trying to PLAY GOOD and offer unique features. What is to say a Far Cry in the future doesn't do the same thing? ie here is a city, kill missions and cars? Looking good is a given, but this title doesn't even look better then Deus Ex Mankind Divided, so I feel they need to offer a bit more then "it lookeded good doe", this is where those missing features start to make a lot of what they are hyping up as window dressing.
Transparent is lying to consumers about that downgrade on Witcher 3 and only telling fans about this the day after they bought the game?
So I got the bulk of their games day 1, I'm getting Cyberpunk 2077 day 1, but I'd never argue they are transparent or pro-consumer. They simply want to make that appearance, but WHAT THEY FACTUALLY DO shows otherwise. I'm personally not shocked at this. When they lied about that downgrade it was to move units, period. Them not giving out some of those review codes is to sell the game before those reviews start talking about those issues, missing features etc.
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Collin
Banned
20ish hours for main quest is fine to me, even preferred, as long as it’s all good stuff. a lot of rpg games feel the need to just buffer out a long af quest just to say that did and you end up with tons of repetitive missions and fluff and padding.
i’d take a well-paced, well written fun 20 hour game to a boring 100-hour slog any day
i’d take a well-paced, well written fun 20 hour game to a boring 100-hour slog any day
Phunkydiabetic
Banned
What happened to 12pm est on Monday for reviews?!
Who makes you boss on who to believe. If this game is less than 25 hours ill kiss your ass. Move along
bumleforce
Member
so based on the leaked gamplay how does the game look and run on a ps5 and series X. Im not watching any but I just wanted to see what people think. I know they are the pro and x versions. Do they run at 30 or 60 FPS
THEAP99
Banned
60. good enough for now
WiseguyMVP
Member
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Damageinc103
Member
Coming in here to find out “Dreamcast guys” video got taken down was fucking worth it.
guy try’s to get the first review out every time and you can tell he doesn’t finish the game and hardly knows shit about it.
I guess he came out a little too early this time and got caught.
Maybe I’m being harsh but I always go to ACG Skill up and To a lesser extent Yong yea for my reviews and I’ve gotten to the point that if a guy doesn’t have details and just regurgitates what previews say....I can’t stand their shit.
guy try’s to get the first review out every time and you can tell he doesn’t finish the game and hardly knows shit about it.
I guess he came out a little too early this time and got caught.
Maybe I’m being harsh but I always go to ACG Skill up and To a lesser extent Yong yea for my reviews and I’ve gotten to the point that if a guy doesn’t have details and just regurgitates what previews say....I can’t stand their shit.
Gamezone
Gold Member
Why not trust him? We all know he got it early.
wordslaughter
Banned
Why trust someone who's clearly not trustworthy?
Maddux4164
Banned
I saw his video. It wasn’t a “review”
it was spoiler free and had zero gameplay
he also ended the video saying it may be his favorite game of all time
he gushed about it for 23 minutes straight
Damageinc103
Member
I trust he got the game early....I trust he played it.
I don’t trust he finished it or did hardly shit in it and played it just long enough to review it and get away with it.
zkorejo
Member
Last few days before witcher 3 release were way worse. People kept whining about stuff and compared leaked console footage to gifs of promotional video (PC version).
Then the day it released everyone's tone changed. It's just people being overly dramatic over tiny stuff because that's all they have access to right now.
The game will rock. I am not even as hyped as I was for witcher 3, but I know for sure, the game will deliver. I will be genuinely shocked if it bombs.
THEAP99
Banned
death stranding didn't bomb. it just had mixed reactions and didn't live up to expectations set by who was behind the game. that i am thinking may happen with cyberpunk. that's at least the vibes i get
Karak
Member
Nope, I will stay here. But I do like that in your world people just leave when your balls ache.
At the very least I will continue to understand the language being used in the discussion. I suggest you bone up. While you were threatened enough to think someone was claiming boss, it doesn't change the facet of the discussion nor the particulars of it.
That does remind me a bit of the Witcher stuff. It was a weird overall series of reviews. Though I think with that one comparison to other titles weren't as mature. Now with Witcher 3 OUT its going to be interesting to see how people compare THIS and that.
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EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
Yet you could argue the same thing about many publishers that many don't count as "pro-consumer". EA has several games where they have free dlc for the entire game and very much do not get counted in that "pro-consumer" ideology. Talk to me when 100% of Cyberpunk 2077's DLC is free and not simply "some" of it.
Also they will feature MTX
Cyberpunk 2077 will have Microtransactions but only in Multiplayer
Oh boy, we now have direct confirmation straight from the developer's mouth that the highly anticipated action-RPG Cyberpunk 2077 will indeed feature microtransactions. Everybody's favorite in-game monetization will thankfully only be present in the game's multiplayer mode, however.
www.gamezone.com
So at the end of the day, they still fucking LIED to consumers about that downgrade and conveniently remembered after they took fans money.
I would never put it past them to limit those reviews to minimize the comments about the issues with the game to keep game sales strong and consumers in the dark about those issues.
EA fucking giving FREE DLC for 100% of the life of a title didn't suddenly turn them into saints.
Keep that same energy.
Gamezone
Gold Member
Oh wow.. That's even without the patch?
iorek21
Member
I'm actually getting Watch_Dogs vibes now...
Hyped up new IP, cross gen, noticeable changes since reveal, leaked gameplays not looking great...
Not cancelling my pre-order or anything but I get the feeling that this game will go to the No Man's Sky route: will be fixed in the next couple of years.
Hyped up new IP, cross gen, noticeable changes since reveal, leaked gameplays not looking great...
Not cancelling my pre-order or anything but I get the feeling that this game will go to the No Man's Sky route: will be fixed in the next couple of years.
Karak
Member
That reminds me of Remnant. I wasn't in love with it and the dev straight up told me that I should have rated it a buy because it had no micros and to have ignored the issues in the game. The CRAZIEST convo I think i have had with a dev.Yet you could argue the same thing about many publishers that many don't count as "pro-consumer". EA has several games where they have free dlc for the entire game and very much do not get counted in that "pro-consumer" ideology. Talk to me when 100% of Cyberpunk 2077's DLC is free and not simply "some" of it.
Also they will feature MTX
Cyberpunk 2077 will have Microtransactions but only in Multiplayer
Oh boy, we now have direct confirmation straight from the developer's mouth that the highly anticipated action-RPG Cyberpunk 2077 will indeed feature microtransactions. Everybody's favorite in-game monetization will thankfully only be present in the game's multiplayer mode, however.
So at the end of the day, they still fucking LIED to consumers about that downgrade and conveniently remembered after they took fans money.
I would never put it past them to limit those reviews to minimize the comments about the issues with the game to keep game sales strong and consumers in the dark about those issues.
EA fucking giving FREE DLC for 100% of the life of a title didn't suddenly turn them into saints.
Keep that same energy.
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zkorejo
Member
That's not what I meant, point was regardless of how good the game does, with alot of hype surrounding it, it brings alot of drama around the release time.
saintjules
Member
Sounds like Doom
Maddux4164
Banned
Yep. CDPR replied to his tweet about the 43gb patch wasn’t the “day one” patch they will be sending.
THEAP99
Banned
If I had to guess, cyberpunk will have better gameplay loop and world than witcher 3 and maybe better mechanics, but the story won't be as compelling. Just my guess. I don't think it'll go on to be the most awarded game like witcher 3 either.
THEAP99
Banned
Reminds me of pubg. Thank god I have a ps5 to play this on.
iorek21
Member
Yet you could argue the same thing about many publishers that many don't count as "pro-consumer". EA has several games where they have free dlc for the entire game and very much do not get counted in that "pro-consumer" ideology. Talk to me when 100% of Cyberpunk 2077's DLC is free and not simply "some" of it.
Also they will feature MTX
Cyberpunk 2077 will have Microtransactions but only in Multiplayer
Oh boy, we now have direct confirmation straight from the developer's mouth that the highly anticipated action-RPG Cyberpunk 2077 will indeed feature microtransactions. Everybody's favorite in-game monetization will thankfully only be present in the game's multiplayer mode, however.
So at the end of the day, they still fucking LIED to consumers about that downgrade and conveniently remembered after they took fans money.
I would never put it past them to limit those reviews to minimize the comments about the issues with the game to keep game sales strong and consumers in the dark about those issues.
EA fucking giving FREE DLC for 100% of the life of a title didn't suddenly turn them into saints.
Keep that same energy.
Assassin's Creed Odyssey is the best example of this.
Despite having MTX, Ubisoft gave for free tons of updates, including new questlines, free items, quest creator, discovery tour etc. And the Season Pass had 6 meaty expansions + AC3/Liberation remaster.
Basically the same thing CDPR did with Witcher 3, minus the downgrade. But since it is Ubisoft, then it doesn't count as pro-consumer.
THEAP99
Banned
Oh yeah. You can bet that if it's below 90 rated game hell will break loose on the hardcore forums. But speaking generally it'll still be very successful and loved
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
I don't know if I'd say all that. I think the game's real lasting appeal will actually be simply the mainstory and side quest. I think those will be enough for people to find value out of the game as its not in the same situation as No Man Sky where the whole game really is the thing you physically do. Cyberpunk 2077 is more so about its concept then physical gameplay elements so I think it will be ok.
No Man Sky easily might be one of the worst situations I've ever seen out of a major title of a developer openly omitting lots of information regarding a game. They had entire segments, features, options completely removed, not done etc yet said nothing. Gamers found out when they didn't see them sandworms lol
CDPR's situation imho is more so about not having features expected, but never really claimed. So many might be expecting something that was never stated, but implied, assumed etc. I feel that is not as bad as one could still enjoy the title for what it is vs what they wanted it to be or it was claimed to be etc.
I think some might be let down as the hype will never live up to what folks are expecting, but I feel what they are offering is enough to not end up like a Watchdogs 1 or No Man Sky, as even in those titles defenses, they did patch a lot, add some features and end up moving enough units not to flop. I feel a better about CP2077 then I'd say Watchdogs or No Man Sky.
edit. and I agree with your comment regarding AC Odyssey. I think it should simply be seen as a case by case basis and not this blanket assumption that the company as a whole is "pro-consumer". Shit, I like what they are making and I'm getting it day 1, doesn't mean I feel CDPR is "pro-consumer", they've done enough shady things that I'm not even shocked at the delays, reversals, removed features or late reviews or anything like that. Enough things have happened where its expected by them now. I'm not saying they are scum of the earth, but they are no saints. The things I've seen EA, Ubisoft, Activision etc do that I'd argue is not pro-consumer, many of those things can be applied to CDPR easily.
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Karak
Member
This is true. However, looking at patch sizes and how its available there is a VERY high chance that patch is much more updated than just the disk version. As both are playable.
Since we also have a couple reports of press having the game for more than 2-3 weeks(a few not a ton) I would assume that is the relative first patch(available prior to review code branching)
That could be wrong. But it is how I have seen other games work .
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Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
I for one am glad for the shorter and undoubtedly tighter experience. I have reached a point as a gamer where I just can't do 40+ hour games anymore.
LectureMaster
Gold Member
Yeah keep setting up your straw men.Yet you could argue the same thing about many publishers that many don't count as "pro-consumer". EA has several games where they have free dlc for the entire game and very much do not get counted in that "pro-consumer" ideology. Talk to me when 100% of Cyberpunk 2077's DLC is free and not simply "some" of it.
Also they will feature MTX
Cyberpunk 2077 will have Microtransactions but only in Multiplayer
Oh boy, we now have direct confirmation straight from the developer's mouth that the highly anticipated action-RPG Cyberpunk 2077 will indeed feature microtransactions. Everybody's favorite in-game monetization will thankfully only be present in the game's multiplayer mode, however.
So at the end of the day, they still fucking LIED to consumers about that downgrade and conveniently remembered after they took fans money.
I would never put it past them to limit those reviews to minimize the comments about the issues with the game to keep game sales strong and consumers in the dark about those issues.
EA fucking giving FREE DLC for 100% of the life of a title didn't suddenly turn them into saints.
Keep that same energy.
1. The multiplayer game is a standalone game, and you don't have to buy it if you don't like MTX. The point is you don't have any paywall to access any contents in this game. Also, please enlighten me any multiplayer game without MTX.
2. Do you have any idea what wicher 3 free dlcs are? There are very well written quests, alternative look/skin for characters and a full set of Gwent faction. If you have to equate those to EA's occasional free lootbox you do you.
3. How many games not having downgrade? Beloved spider-man even had the so called "puddle gate". It is your own ridiculousness keeping biting on downgrade when there is no high end PC ray tracing footage leaked at all.
But I guess haters gonna hate anyway.
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Maddux4164
Banned
We better get your review good sir btw!
Karak
Member
Could not agree more. Also they are indeed different games with different tracks and turns and plots and gameplay. The idea that you CAN is fine. If you want to stick around you can also do that. To me that's great it simply indicates its its own game.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
If the final game looks as rough as these videos (there's hope there's a big day one patch), I hope people get their expectations in order and treat 2077 more like a Bethesda game.
A game that can have lots of content and a giant world to roam, but the actual gameplay can be janky and unpolished.
Take the good with the bad, and if you value content over polish then you'll be happy. But if you expect a smooth polished game like a slick handling game like Rage with RPG elements, you'll be disappointed.
A game that can have lots of content and a giant world to roam, but the actual gameplay can be janky and unpolished.
Take the good with the bad, and if you value content over polish then you'll be happy. But if you expect a smooth polished game like a slick handling game like Rage with RPG elements, you'll be disappointed.
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Chris_Rivera
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EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
1.They still support MTX bud. Suddenly MTX are now ok when you just stated they wouldn't have them? Why even list that they won't have something that you'll just defend when you find out they will? My issue isn't even with the MTX, its the companies comments about other publishers only to then fucking support it them themselves. They are fucking hypocrites bud.
CD Projekt RED further condemns concept of microtransactions
Cyberpunk’d CD Projekt RED, the team behind The Witcher series as well as the upcoming Cyberpunk 2077, has double-downed on...
www.destructoid.com
2. My personal opinion on the free dlc is irrelevant, free is always fucking good lol. Simply that many do what you are talking about, yet don't get labeled "pro-consumer" every fucking map and gun in Battlefield V, Battlefront 2 and Titanfall 2 is completely free. Again, using this logic, EA is pro consumer. You could like those quest in Witcher 3 just as much as someone could like a well made map that is free. Nothing is wrong with you liking those quest, but nothing is wrong with anyone liking all the free maps they got from EA from many games. The comparison is fair.
Keep in mind, all the quest in Witcher 3 are not free, they have paid expansion, yet all the maps in Battlefront 2, Battlefield V and Titanfall 2 are all free, as in not a single map is locked out. Thats not a "occasional free" thing, that is a significant part of those titles. So you can't get all the quest in Witcher 3 for free, you can get all the maps for free in the titles mentioned.
3. My issue was NEVER with it being downgraded sir, my issue was the team decided to omit this information to boost sales, to literally lie to fans and say "no downgrade", collection money and watch sales go up and then sneak in a interview saying "yea ok so we got dem downgrades, thanks for the sale"
This is not a bullshit "haters" comment bud, I own Witcher 3 day 1, have Cyberpunk 2077 pre-ordered since 2018.
I buy games from any publisher and developer if the game looks fun, that doesn't mean I'm going to then LIE about the publisher and ignore obvious issues with their transparency with such issues.
So they told us this the day after the game came out, what are they going to tell us the day after CP 2077 comes out?
Another confession article or?
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...he-witcher-3-graphics-downgrade-issue-head-on
So this isn't the first time they've said one thing and did another. Some don't really want to be honest with this developers behavior.
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Blond
Banned
I wish more people could experience Halo 2 hype train so they could know what disappointment feel like. 16 years later and I still find it hard to be hyped for any video game so I tend to be more impressed with a lot of games than most people if I'm being honest lol.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I'm 100% confident the main hype of 2077 is due to the cyberpunk setting, not even CDR itself. People seem to love cyberpunk, but surprisingly there's not that many big games that use this environment.
People were going ape shit over the hype from that first trailer 8 years ago and W3 wouldn't be out for over 2 years. At that time, CDR's main released game was probably Witcher 2.
If 2077 had similar large open world gameplay but was a military shooter like a UBI Wildlands game, or another generic D&D kind of of open world game, the hype would be 10x less.
CDR also has a way of drawing out hype by releasing very little video and data about the game. For a game announced almost 8 years ago, there's hardly anything except for a handful of videos the past maybe 2 years. If CDR had shown gamers rough videos of 2077 every month for the past 4 years, a lot of gamers would have dropped it an cancelled any preorders.
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Saint Boot
Banned
One of my all time Favorite games was only 22 hours after doing as much as I could find. Man I miss Jade Empire. Got to get an Xbox again someday.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
Semi OT, but we need a reboot of that series! I'm surprised we didn't get sequels after it came out. I for sure thought that was going to be their new series.
O Ozzie666 Maybe. From a consumer standpoint I want to know the state of the game so I get that it can come across as anti-consumer, but at the same time its their game. they want to maintain hype and appeal and its unfair for folks to have a unpatched game and then show off videos as if that is what everyone will experience. I get why they'd want to contain that and its a legit reason to pull videos as it is legally their game. Its one of the few times I agree with the publisher to have the right to get a video pulled as its not representative of the final product and those spoilers can even effect their sales.
So I wish they didn't, but I understand that they need to.
Balducci30
Member
This is actually very good news for me - I can’t do the super long campaign thing. Especially with all the side quests and shit.
LectureMaster
Gold Member
1. My original post said Cyberpunk 2077 has zero MTX. then you jumped out saying the multiplayer will. Those are two separate thing, how come it became your narrative "me saying MTX is okay for CDPR"? Come on man, we can do better than keep setting those straw man.1.They still support MTX bud. Suddenly MTX are now ok when you just stated they wouldn't have them? Why even list that they won't have something that you'll just defend when you find out they will? My issue isn't even with the MTX, its the companies comments about other publishers only to then fucking support it them themselves. They are fucking hypocrites bud.
CD Projekt RED further condemns concept of microtransactions
Cyberpunk’d CD Projekt RED, the team behind The Witcher series as well as the upcoming Cyberpunk 2077, has double-downed on...
2. My personal opinion on the free dlc is irrelevant, free is always fucking good lol. Simply that many do what you are talking about, yet don't get labeled "pro-consumer" every fucking map and gun in Battlefield V, Battlefront 2 and Titanfall 2 is completely free. Again, using this logic, EA is pro consumer. You could like those quest in Witcher 3 just as much as someone could like a well made map that is free. Nothing is wrong with you liking those quest, but nothing is wrong with anyone liking all the free maps they got from EA from many games. The comparison is fair.
Keep in mind, all the quest in Witcher 3 are not free, they have paid expansion, yet all the maps in Battlefront 2, Battlefield V and Titanfall 2 are all free, as in not a single map is locked out. Thats not a "occasional free" thing, that is a significant part of those titles. So you can't get all the quest in Witcher 3 for free, you can get all the maps for free in the titles mentioned.
3. My issue was NEVER with it being downgraded sir, my issue was the team decided to omit this information to boost sales, to literally lie to fans and say "no downgrade", collection money and watch sales go up and then sneak in a interview saying "yea ok so we got dem downgrades, thanks for the sale"
This is not a bullshit "haters" comment bud, I own Witcher 3 day 1, have Cyberpunk 2077 pre-ordered since 2018.
I buy games from any publisher and developer if the game looks fun, that doesn't mean I'm going to then LIE about the publisher and ignore obvious issues with their transparency with such issues.
So they told us this the day after the game came out, what are they going to tell us the day after CP 2077 comes out?
Another confession article or?
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...he-witcher-3-graphics-downgrade-issue-head-on
So this isn't the first time they've said one thing and did another. Some don't really want to be honest with this developers behavior.
2. Commercial model for multiplayers like battlefield and titanfall has nothing common whatsoever to a single player RPG like witcher 3, Till CDPR release their plan for the multiplayer counterpart then we can do a proper comparison. We can argue if you find any other single player RPG do same free DLCs like witcher 3.
3. I normally don't nitpick but didn't 2077 pre-order started at 2019 E3? So all over the textwall, the only valid point is the downgrade, which I think was beautiful nevertheless at launch and ages well.
Downgrade was your thing that's okay, I tend to believe CDPR learned their lesson from witcher 3 and you think oppositely. We can just agree to disagree on this mater. I guess I should withdraw the hater thing to create a more pleasant atmosphere.
Touch fuzZy. get BizZay
Member
and people playing it....Is it more open world deus ex or is it more gta in the future?