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Colin Moriarty: Bloodborne Remaster and Bloodborne 2 in Development for PS5 by Bluepoint
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I've always thought that Sony should just continue making Souls and Bloodborne games without Miyazaki, if he's otherwise engaged.
He basically created a whole new genre, or, at least, managed to properly translate Castlevania to 3d.
Are we seriously saying that that innovation shouldn't be iterated on, just because the guy wants to continue making new things?
The truth is that it just isn't as hard to carry on making new games from an established template as it is to establish the template in the first place.
That's not to say Sony shouldn't tread carefully. They should try to get his creative input to some degree. They should try to hire some of the original artists and level designers etc.
But overall I think it's a perfectly reasonable thing to attempt.
He basically created a whole new genre, or, at least, managed to properly translate Castlevania to 3d.
Are we seriously saying that that innovation shouldn't be iterated on, just because the guy wants to continue making new things?
The truth is that it just isn't as hard to carry on making new games from an established template as it is to establish the template in the first place.
That's not to say Sony shouldn't tread carefully. They should try to get his creative input to some degree. They should try to hire some of the original artists and level designers etc.
But overall I think it's a perfectly reasonable thing to attempt.
existensmaximum
Member
Yeah, considering how utterly worthless Dark Souls 2 turned out without Miyazaki, I think it's obvious that he's a prerequisite for a good Souls game. Bluepoint make fantastic remakes, but Bloodborne 2 would likely turn out to be a bad carbon copy of the real deal.
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Keihart
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The engine used by Fromsoft , funnily enough was always originally a Sony Engine, PhyreEngine, it was free to use i think.
Con_Z_ǝdʇ
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We are still talking about From Software here.
How many developers have created a souls-like and how many of them have been as good as a Dark Souls or a Bloodborne?
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Good luck if true. Doing game design at the level of From is very, very hard.
I don't know tbh. I thought it was very few but I wouldn't like to say for sure. Does Nioh count? I've never played that but people seem to love it.
I just tend not to believe in this kind of magic. I don't believe only From can make a good Souls game. I don't believe only Miyamoto can make a brilliant Mario game - as the more recent ones have proved.
The genius of Souls is largely the idea itself. Yes, care is needed to craft the art and world etc, and it could definitely be done badly (hello 343 studios!), but I just don't buy that it's somehow beyond the wit of man.
At this point the formula is fairly well established.
TheGodfather07
Member
Bluepoint being put straight into the deep end. Time to show what they're made of.
Con_Z_ǝdʇ
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They sure gained a lot of insight from the remaking of DS which could help but the track record of developing gameplay is quite short on their side since they have been ocupied with remasters and remakes mostly. If true it will look gorgeous and i would give them the benefit of the doubt but it looks like a task to big for them.
You are not wrong with your opinion. Anything is possible. I guess we will have to wait and see.
Kokoloko85
Member
Bloodborne is a top 10 game of mine.
Not interested unless Miyazaki and the team behind Bloodborne 1 is involved somehow.
Not interested unless Miyazaki and the team behind Bloodborne 1 is involved somehow.
Con_Z_ǝdʇ
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TheKnownUnknown
Banned
Rather have bloodborne 2 from From. Let them do what they do best, remakes/remssters.
How are they going to know what direction From would go with 2?
How are they going to know what direction From would go with 2?
GodLordPaddock
Banned
Bloodborne 2 without Miyazaki and From?
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Great Hair
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skit_data
Member
A question to the ”Bloodborne/Dark Souls can’t be done without Miyazaki”-crowd:
If Bloodborne 2 was released to large acclaim, would you play it? Or do you think it simply lacking ”the touch” would be enough to keep you away from it?
I’m one of the people that really liked DS2, I think its better than DS3 in several ways. I mean I love the games Miyazaki made as well, but I wouldn’t say its impossible to make a great Souls-game without him.
If Bloodborne 2 was released to large acclaim, would you play it? Or do you think it simply lacking ”the touch” would be enough to keep you away from it?
I’m one of the people that really liked DS2, I think its better than DS3 in several ways. I mean I love the games Miyazaki made as well, but I wouldn’t say its impossible to make a great Souls-game without him.
Btw I'm not actually saying that Bluepoint would be capable of this, just that in general it's a feasible idea.
Actually I think this specifically is a tall order and a huge amount of pressure to put on them for their first original game, BUT they are obviously talented, and if they got enough support then it could well turn out fine.
I mean, Housemarque just made an almost as impressive leap into AAA with Returnal, so...
tassletine
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Talk about being thrown in at the deep end. How are they even going to manage that, regards lore and world texture etc?
I was worried about RR Martin, but to hand over the storytelling duties to someone else, given that Miyazaki is such a unique storyteller, isn't going to be the same at all.
Miazaki is interested in genuinely new mechanics, all BP has done is copy. If this is true it's a mistake.
I was worried about RR Martin, but to hand over the storytelling duties to someone else, given that Miyazaki is such a unique storyteller, isn't going to be the same at all.
Miazaki is interested in genuinely new mechanics, all BP has done is copy. If this is true it's a mistake.
FrankWza
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I’m gonna guess that only the remake or remaster of BB and old hunters is being done by Bluepoint and they’re doing a Castlevania game as their original. I think BB2 will be the From game that was the rumored PS5 games exclusive. For From, doing a sequel is easier than a new IP.
Perrott
Member
Why is everyone going crazy here? Of course FROM/Miyazaki would supervise the project from afar, I mean, Sony are not stupid enough to go and make Bloodborne 2 without having Miyazaki's name somewhere in the credits in order to calm everyone down and avoid a potential PR nightmare.
worldwithpyramids
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Bloodborne 2 not made by FromSoft? Don't care then lol
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tassletine
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I would definitely play it, just to see if it's any good!
But you're talking about many people's favourite game (definitely in my top5) and it would almost certainly be lacking the 'touch' as you say.
I agree about DS2 though, I prefer it over 3 myself, so that's a decent point.
However, I'm of the mind that ALL the souls games are unfinished and have a rushed, cobbled together quality (That's one of the reasons I've never really understood the criticisms for DS2).
And despite some framerate issues, thats not really the case with Bloodborne. Bloodborne is extremely tight and polished gameplay wise.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Bloodborne is working on a Bluepoint Remastered!
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Of course if it’s a good game. It’s just unlike DS2 there may not be anyone one there to steer the project, to add that From magic.
Mister Wolf
Member
Bluepoint doesn't have the stones to attempt Bloodborne 2. They were scared to even add anything new to Demon Souls's.
Chukhopops
Member
It’s a very bold move, IMO Bluepoint should have started with Demons’ Souls and fixing the missing content in it to test the waters.
I’m not a big Bloodborne fan (I consider it the weakest of the series) but it’s setting up high expectations, which could possibly be impossible to meet.
I’m not a big Bloodborne fan (I consider it the weakest of the series) but it’s setting up high expectations, which could possibly be impossible to meet.
skit_data
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Idk, From Software certainly adds the best flavour but I think some other developers have come pretty close. Cold Symmetry with Mortal Shell for example, and those are only like 15 people.
I could see Bluepoint make a really nice sequel to Bloodborne, its not impossible. But it is a really hard task indeed, and they would really need a good director that really understand the strengths of Bloodborne. An ideal situation would be a collaboration with From Software, with Miyasaki overseeing the project or providing basic setting, lore etc.
Golgo 13
The Man With The Golden Dong
This doesn’t make sense. I think Bluepoint are very talented, and I believe they could do a great Bloodborne remaster, but Bloodborne 2 doesn’t make sense. Sony are smart enough to know how singular and unique FromSoftware is in their art direction and game design - it will end up feeling like a cheap knockoff.
There might be more to this story, such as FromSoftware collaborating with them, or it’s just a false rumor period. I simply don’t see it happening - it’s too much risk when they could be spending those years on something that would guarantee a big return for less investment.
There might be more to this story, such as FromSoftware collaborating with them, or it’s just a false rumor period. I simply don’t see it happening - it’s too much risk when they could be spending those years on something that would guarantee a big return for less investment.
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TGO
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Nintendo do it all the time
skit_data
Member
Coming to think of it… Does Bluepoint Games working on a sequel really exclude the possibility of From Softwares involvement?
I mean, it hasn’t really worked that way before since Japan Studio acted as more of a support to From Software. Could the game be made under the supervision of From Software, with them providing the essentials to Bluepoint and from there Bluepoint handles the more technical aspects of actually building the game?
I mean, it hasn’t really worked that way before since Japan Studio acted as more of a support to From Software. Could the game be made under the supervision of From Software, with them providing the essentials to Bluepoint and from there Bluepoint handles the more technical aspects of actually building the game?
Nickolaidas
Member
Dark Souls II: Ravenloft Edition.
I'm okay with it. It's not like FROM was ever going to make a sequel anyway.
I'm okay with it. It's not like FROM was ever going to make a sequel anyway.
Iced Arcade
Member
Bloodborne remaster makes sense but I dunno about that sequel.
Umbasaborne
Banned
Sure! So long as myazaki is at least a consultant on the project. But bloodborne doesnt need to be remade! Just give me 4k 60 fps
Vaelka
Member
Honestly the Demon Soul's remake overall was great, but they did make some really strange changes ( especially with the music and some character models ) that sorta made me feel like they just didn't get it.
It's one thing to just upscale already existing models and adding effects etc, it's another thing to actually create things from the ground up.
Generally speaking I am extremely skeptical when it comes to other people taking over licenses that they didn't have a hand in creating to begin with.
It's just not the same it's not the same brains behind it and usually it tends to get carried mostly on nostalgia and brand name alone.
Lanrutcon
Member
Gonna make a bold prediction here:
...there is no way any Bloodborne sequel they can make will be good enough for the fans.
It's been too long. The expectations are sky high. The title will, at best, be highly divisive. The old school fans of the original vs the Dark Souls 3 generation: can't make em both happy. And at worst? The sky's the limit when fucking up a cult classic.
...there is no way any Bloodborne sequel they can make will be good enough for the fans.
It's been too long. The expectations are sky high. The title will, at best, be highly divisive. The old school fans of the original vs the Dark Souls 3 generation: can't make em both happy. And at worst? The sky's the limit when fucking up a cult classic.
skit_data
Member
Technically they do to a very small extent, since they own part of Kadokawa. Don’t know if it would translate to that kind of power though.
skit_data
Member
Well, I learned to swim by misjudging the depth of a pool. I later competed in swimming and was quite promising… until I discovered partying and girls.Welcome to the deep end, Bluepoint. Hope you can swim.
Yoboman
Member
For every 1 in 10 things they got "wrong" they got 9 other things completely right
michaelius
Banned
I'd expect that they will make sequel pretty safe gameplay wise and it will feel more like BB 1.5.
Anyway after they rebuild two souls games for ps5 it's likely second best studio in the world to entrust them making souls like games.
Anyway after they rebuild two souls games for ps5 it's likely second best studio in the world to entrust them making souls like games.
Kerotan
Member
I mean they're still copying for the sequel. It's like when treyarc copied the COD style created by infinity ward in cod4 and we got WAW and BO1.
Topher
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Those of you who have been saying you'd love for Bluepoint to get their shot at their own game have gotten what you wanted.
Nickolaidas
Member
Only game I platinum'd. Had no idea Bluepoint made that.
For good reason. They were literally attacked any single time they DARED to deviate from the original in any way.