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Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
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Banjo64
cumsessed
What you fail to grasp is that someone can like Xbox and still not want this deal to go through. As
DarkMage619
said yesterday, diversity of thought is not appreciated amongst some.
NickFire
Member
Is comparing this deal to Netflix and Blockbuster a rare Freudian slip by MS?
Topher
Identifies as young
lol.....wonder if Sony is going to pounce on the fact that Microsoft compared them to a company that went out of business.
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GHG
Gold Member
lol.....wonder if Sony is going to pounce on the fact that Microsoft compared them to a company that went out of business.
Yep, exactly my thoughts. Statements like that won't sit well with the CMA and EU.
If we end up with a split decision across the major regions then things will get really spicy.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Right out in the open with their triple E.
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SenjutsuSage
Banned
lol.....wonder if Sony is going to pounce on the fact that Microsoft compared them to a company that went out of business.
Okay, that is funny as hell. But, Sony doesn't have Blockbuster's problem. Sony gaming business is banking on digital. Sony is safe, they're protected enough. In other words...
SenjutsuSage
Banned
No, you're reading wayyyyy too much into that. The simple message is sony, like blockbuster, refuses to modernize and innovative in the same ways Microsoft has been choosing to by shifting towards offering more value rather than sticking to the same old thing just because it's been working for them.
Sony isn't remotely in the kind of danger that blockbuster was in. Blockbuster's digital presence was minuscule, near non-existent. Sony isn't in such a similar position. And if you really think Sony has been handed a gift with that one, then why are so many regulators around the world fans of "multi-homing" streaming services? They feel it has helped greatly reduce network effects, so the blockbuster vs netflix comparison helps Microsoft more than you might think.
If you take a good look at CMA's market reports, you'll see that they take multi-homing of multiple subscription services very seriously, and believe it to be a good thing. There's a reason in Microsoft's responses to UK's CMA you see term "multi-homing" quite a bit. Majority of Sony's gaming business is digital. Blockbuster they are not, but they are precisely that in their lack of preparedness (despite having first mover advantage with ps now) for streaming games on the cloud and not having as exciting an offering as Game Pass (which they easily could with day one releases, but they don't want to embrace that YET).
Pelta88
Member
I'm not debating the business practices of either company. I'm simply stating that the messaging here feeds into an antitrust narrative. Almost perfectly. It's as if Sony sneaked into MS HQ, crafted, then published that statement through Microsoft.
It's a terrible antitrust narrative to feed into.
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SenjutsuSage
Banned
Xbox + Activision Blizzard King and all its studios will not be status quo, especially where Game Pass is concerned. And we also know that means Call of Duty. When Microsoft is offering Sony a 10 year COD deal that doesn't mean COD won't be on Game Pass all of those years. That's a commitment to keep releasing COD on Playstation consoles, not to avoid putting COD on Game Pass. And then allowing labor unions at Activision Blizzard and remaining neutral for all of that isn't status quo. A binding legal agreement no less, one that Microsoft's President made clear they're willing to go as far as to have it legally enforceable in the EU, US and UK by regulators.
That's a pretty big deal.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
It really isn't. Why did Blockbuster fail? They failed because they were so comfortable in their dominant market position that they didn't plan for the possible future. They didn't have their backup plan ready to compete against the new and emerging threats.
Sony is heavily already into the digital space, they're protected. Sony has their version of game pass with ps plus, they're just not doing day one releases. Sony also has something else blockbuster never had the benefit of, exclusive must have content. Sony has its big first party exclusives.
Very different markets and businesses for today's playstation compared to blockbuster. If that's what some are thinking helps Sony in any way, then that's about as weak as an argument comes. Sony will not like that comparison at all because blockbuster is largely viewed as failing to change and modernize. It wasn't content that killed blockbuster. It was an outdated business model.
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ChuckeRearmed
Member
Not necessary. It is done to apply more pressure on FTC not try to sue the deal considering that the vote on it supposed to happen this thursday.
FalsettoVibe
Member
I don't know if he knows anything or not but he is definitely trying to capitalize on this popularity of this deal.
He seems to have a lot of followers that are supporters of the deal so hope his opinions aren't leaning in a way to placate them and boost his following.
ToTTenTranz
Banned
Nothing screams "plz trust me" more than mocking and trying to antagonize your competitors during an antitrust investigation.
This Tom Warren dude is either trying to screw Microsoft in the court of public opinion or he's just not very smart.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
How is what Hoeg is doing any different from how other people have blown up and gained recognition from other major happenings? Like specific people and youtubers haven't rode the wave of new console launches or the xbox one pre launch controversy, or sony's $599.99 E3 PS3 debacle?
This is how people naturally grow their platforms by reacting to current events. He wouldn't be getting views if people weren't interested in what he had to say and how he was saying. He also has pretty extensive experience in mergers and acquisitions. It's literally his field of expertise. How is this any different from that former Battlefield dev starting a youtube page to capitalize from the launch of the new consoles? It's never a good look to knock people's hustle because they're growing from it and making money.
twilo99
Member
Keeping those games off gamepass defeats the purpose of the deal from my perspective, it will be amazing if ms agreed to something like that.
Also, again from my perspective as a gp subscriber, this would be anti-consumer since millions of gp subscribers will be loosing out on a lot of potential content.
NickFire
Member
How does their 2022 new game output lead to the conclusion they are innovating on anything?
And no, using money from one industry to gobble up another is not innovating.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
The fact that PS Plus is losing subscribers meanwhile Game Pass is still growing subs even without a massive AAA first party release for this year. Game Pass' value speaks for itself, which is why it hasn't stopped growing. Microsoft not releasing a big new AAA first party this year doesn't change a thing about how innovative Game Pass has been and continues to be. The biggest part of the excitement about the acquisition is all the Activision Blizzard games (past, current and future) that will be added to Game Pass.
Game Pass is so impressive that even Sony is telling regulators they can't compete with it. Now we all know that's just to kill the deal, but there's a lot of truth in it lol. Sony CAN compete with Game Pass, they just don't like the position they're in to compete on even footing, and they don't like the idea of day one AAA releases on a sub service like Game Pass.
NickFire
Member
I'm gonna slowly back away from the keyboard and take a shower I think.
Topher
Identifies as young
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
What ripe bullshit. “Make the industry less competitive…”
twilo99
Member
Its just corporate "lingo"
reality is the only consumers with potential (huge) gain from this deal are PC gamers and xbox gamers, the rest can either remain the same or get worst.
Ezekiel_
Banned
That's a nice looking toiletWell, I'm a regional manager of a pretty important tech company with clients that include Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Sony, Chase, Apple, the US Government and so many others.
I'm a data encryption contractor for the FBI since Dec 2015 (not the only federal contract I have), I helped design (and I am credited by name with the creation) JP Morgan and Chase's updated (and current as of this date) internal bank and computer network security system/protocols the year they acquired Washington Mutual's banking operations. I was also one of the specialist leads in the nationwide conversion project to update all important platform and teller workstations (as well as servers) at Chase Bank locations all across the United States back in 2008 and 2009. While performing that work, I found, notified, and then offered to fix any and all vulnerabilities I discovered in their systems or networks. They took me up on my offer and paid me very well for it. I get deposits in the high 5 figures (sometimes 6 figures) almost every 2-4 weeks. Not necessarily just for that reason, but one of many reasons.
I consult on and get paid serious money to offer my insight and experience on things most here wouldn't believe. When you play on Xbox Live or PSN you're MOST likely benefitting from my and my team's or company's work in some fashion.
I was personally contracted to help teach, design and then enforce cyber and data security protocols for various elements and individuals of the Democratic Party apparatus including the DNC (Democratic National Committee) from early 2018 (for the 2018 mid-terms) to election year 2020. The primary charge - ensure for the things I and my team had responsibility for that what transpired in 2016 with the Clinton Campaign and other hacked emails regarding the DNC didn't occur in 2018 and 2020. My work was so well regarded that I even received a matching contract to work for the Republican Party also, one I unfortunately couldn't take due to my other work responsibilities getting in the way. I don't agree with their politics, but I'll gladly take their money. I similarly didn't renew my DNC contract for the same reasons, main work always comes first.
Some personal pictures I took in NY the same day I was invited to a march (was a march against gun violence) by the DNC and also to meet with current Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (old dude in blue US Senate sweater) shortly after accepting the DNC contract.
Chuck Schumer is the current Democrat Leader in the US Senate, and the person responsible for bringing up Lina Khan's and the latest FTC commisioner's names for a vote in the US Senate after they're nominated by the President of the United States. He wanted to meet with me and inquire about the work I've been doing on cybersecurity, encryption, and other such things while also trying to hire me for non-political projects. No, I'm not in these pictures. I obviously won't post ones with me actually in them.
When he speaks about the Capital Region of New York and a lot of the jobs in the area around videogame development or that support videogame development on his website, he's almost certainly thinking of people exactly like me and companies like the one I work for.
https://www.schumer.senate.gov/news...gion-level-up-as-leading-tech-and-gaming-hub-
So yea... I'd say I'm MORE than just an expert on some shit. I'm not just some random Xbox fan.
feynoob
Banned
My man, take some break. You need to lay off this website for a week.
feynoob
Banned
Just a ceo wanting to have small purchase.
They’re innovating because they’ve released new games that aren’t reboots or remakes or sequels
feynoob
Banned
You need to.
This is a rabbit hole, which our friend is going through now. You dont want to be part of that.
Ezekiel_
Banned
Or maybe they know that conversations are steering into right direction and by all of this they want to make sure it will stay that way.
Like scoring goal to 3:0 88. minute of soccer game just to be sure you will win.
I mean. It's 69 billion dollar deal with 3 billion breakup fee. You don't want to let any chance of this deal failing alive
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
Who says the only way to innovate is through games? The two Xbox Series consoles offer customers different buying options to get into gaming and features like Quick Resume have never been seen on console before. Smart Delivery was laughed at until other platforms showed what they did with cross generation games. Game pass continues to offer superior value to customers and has shown that first party isn't the only way differentiate platforms. This also ignores the entire history of features MS has brought to gaming from achievements to backwards compatibility. They have done plenty of innovative things.
bentanchorbolt
Banned
He's right, tho. If Sony wants to make PS+ more competitive with Game Pass, they'd have to be willing to release their AAA titles day and date on their service, just like MS does. They'd have to be willing to score deals with 3rd party pubs to release games day and date on Game Pass, just like MS does. And, worst case for Sony if this deal goes through, they'd have to find a way to compete against CoD being available day and date on Game Pass.
This doesn't mean Sony won't continue to do better in gaming space, it just means that in order for Sony to put their sub service in a position to be more attractive than Game Pass, they'd have to do a few things that so far they don't seem all that interested in doing.
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GhostOfTsu
Banned
For all the shit he makes
MasterCornholio
Member
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drganon
Member
I take back what I said earlier. He truly is an expert at pulling shit out of his ass.For all the shit he makes
Goalus
Member
The EU have already disqualified themselves when one representative was talking about his Playstation.
True.
PhaseJump
Banned
This is boring.
When is Microsoft going to turn into Unicron and eat a planet for our entertainment?
All the retarded console warrior SeRiOuS mOnEy dick swinging energy being built up here, and you don't even drop a dime to feed the beast and maintain Gold account status on this forum.
When is Microsoft going to turn into Unicron and eat a planet for our entertainment?
Well, I'm a regional manager of a pretty important tech company with clients that include Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Sony, Chase, Apple, the US Government and so many others.
I'm a data encryption contractor for the FBI since Dec 2015 (not the only federal contract I have), I helped design (and I am credited by name with the creation) JP Morgan and Chase's updated (and current as of this date) internal bank and computer network security system/protocols the year they acquired Washington Mutual's banking operations. I was also one of the specialist leads in the nationwide conversion project to update all important platform and teller workstations (as well as servers) at Chase Bank locations all across the United States back in 2008 and 2009. While performing that work, I found, notified, and then offered to fix any and all vulnerabilities I discovered in their systems or networks. They took me up on my offer and paid me very well for it. I get deposits in the high 5 figures (sometimes 6 figures) almost every 2-4 weeks. Not necessarily just for that reason, but one of many reasons.
I consult on and get paid serious money to offer my insight and experience on things most here wouldn't believe. When you play on Xbox Live or PSN you're MOST likely benefitting from my and my team's or company's work in some fashion.
I was personally contracted to help teach, design and then enforce cyber and data security protocols for various elements and individuals of the Democratic Party apparatus including the DNC (Democratic National Committee) from early 2018 (for the 2018 mid-terms) to election year 2020. The primary charge - ensure for the things I and my team had responsibility for that what transpired in 2016 with the Clinton Campaign and other hacked emails regarding the DNC didn't occur in 2018 and 2020. My work was so well regarded that I even received a matching contract to work for the Republican Party also, one I unfortunately couldn't take due to my other work responsibilities getting in the way. I don't agree with their politics, but I'll gladly take their money. I similarly didn't renew my DNC contract for the same reasons, main work always comes first.
Some personal pictures I took in NY the same day I was invited to a march (was a march against gun violence) by the DNC and also to meet with current Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (old dude in blue US Senate sweater) shortly after accepting the DNC contract.
Chuck Schumer is the current Democrat Leader in the US Senate, and the person responsible for bringing up Lina Khan's and the latest FTC commisioner's names for a vote in the US Senate after they're nominated by the President of the United States. He wanted to meet with me and inquire about the work I've been doing on cybersecurity, encryption, and other such things while also trying to hire me for non-political projects. No, I'm not in these pictures. I obviously won't post ones with me actually in them.
When he speaks about the Capital Region of New York and a lot of the jobs in the area around videogame development or that support videogame development on his website, he's almost certainly thinking of people exactly like me and companies like the one I work for.
https://www.schumer.senate.gov/news...gion-level-up-as-leading-tech-and-gaming-hub-
So yea... I'd say I'm MORE than just an expert on some shit. I'm not just some random Xbox fan.
All the retarded console warrior SeRiOuS mOnEy dick swinging energy being built up here, and you don't even drop a dime to feed the beast and maintain Gold account status on this forum.
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
feynoob
Banned
FalsettoVibe
Member
I'm not knocking his hustle. Like I said, I just hope his opinions are genuine. But then again he is a lawyer so....
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Menzies
Banned
To what reasonable and rationale objective metrics are you basing your opinion on that this creates less competition?
I would love to hear someone make the claim that this will further divide platform sales into a greater disparity.
GHG
Gold Member
Don't know why you guys always do this to yourself.
From the very beginning the only people who have been proven to be delusional ones are the people who believed this deal would get approved without any bumps in the road.
We are now at phase 2 both in the EU and with the CMA and you're still brave enough to be calling other people "delusional"?
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SenjutsuSage
Banned
What's useful about what he does is all the factual experience and insight into the process he brings. He cuts to real meaning of things and their interpretation.
He's good at speed reading and breaking down the most important pieces of large submissions and presenting it in a layman's fashion.
feynoob
Banned
Your mistake is giving gamers the benefit of doubt.Don't know why you guys always do this to yourself.
From the very beginning the only people who have been proven to be delusional ones are the people who believed this deal would get approved without any bumps in the road.
We are now at phase 2 both in the EU and with the CMA and you're still brave enough to be calling other people "delusional"?
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