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[ThatOneGrunt]

I bet the performance gains will seem marginal to most people. This is entirely about posturing and wasting money.

 

[lh032]

day 1.

 

[Luigi Mario]

Is colty here right? MS will not respond with a Pro console of their own?

Imagine all the game tech breakdowns and how bad it would look for Xbox.

Wait, makes sense why DF is so against the PS5 Pro.

You have to remember, Microsoft revealed their "Project Scorpio" hardware, which would become the Xbox One X, before the PS4 Pro even got announced and initial leaks were already hinting at a clear performance advantage in favor of One X.
So, for Digital Foundry to let it slip that Microsoft told them that they consider the Xbox Series X as their mid-gen refresh and Tom Henderson previously stating that he hasn't heard anything on a Series Pro console, makes me inclined to believe it isn't planned for now.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I just hope this has an X3D Cpu, make it special!

If its X3D and equivalent of like a 4070 in performance then its a no brained day one.

Knowing me, it's day one no matter what but it would be nice if it had something really special about it like an x3D chip. Whoever puts one of those in a console is gonna be laughing.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

They know what each other is doing and I think it would be a huge mistake if Xbox isn't working on one of their own

It makes sense when they are pushing Gamepass and nothing else. Why lose another $200 bux per box?

 

[diffusionx]

Which is only more to my point that trying to run 8K would be a waste when we're nowhere near maxing out 4K visuals on consoles

Well this is the problem these companies run into with this stuff. Sony can't go out there and say, "buy this PS5 pro so you can get a higher base resolution before FSR reconstruction, and you can get 25% more rays in ray tracing application!" So they have to throw out a higher resolution but it's just nonsensical at this point, like yea who gives a crap about 8K?

I just hope this has an X3D Cpu, make it special!

If its X3D and equivalent of like a 4070 in performance then its a no brained day one.

Knowing me, it's day one no matter what but it would be nice if it had something really special about it like an x3D chip. Whoever puts one of those in a console is gonna be laughing.

It's an APU, I doubt they'll go through the trouble of X3D. Most likely just overclock what's in there now.

 

[Bry0]

I guess it makes sense. Microsoft main platform is now.....

PC

Ahhh the world is back in balance. Time for mechcommander 3 then.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Well this is the problem these companies run into with this stuff. Sony can't go out there and say, "buy this PS5 pro so you can get a higher base resolution before FSR reconstruction, and you can get 25% more rays in ray tracing application!" So they have to throw out a higher resolution but it's just nonsensical at this point, like yea who gives a crap about 8K?



It's an APU, I doubt they'll go through the trouble of X3D. Most likely just overclock what's in there now.

Would an apu stop them from being able to do the x3d type chip?

That's a shame

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Sold

 

[Jigsaah]

I answered, "not a chance" because there were no options for people who don't own a Playstation 5. I feel wholly discriminated against because I do want a PS5 pro. I'll be writing my congressman, thank you very much.

 

[diffusionx]

Would an apu stop them from being able to do the x3d type chip?

That's a shame

No - the 7xxx X3D have built in GPUs, although they really suck. But, you know, it's a bigger lift, thus more cost, etc.

Probably won't happen for Pro but I would not be surprised if huge cache is a feature of the PS6.

 

[OverHeat]

Voted not a chance cause it’s the last time I buy a game consoles except for the Nintendo ones.

 

[Tarin02543]

Ps5 is a ps4 pro pro, this will be the pro pro pro

 

[CHEROKEEE]

What percentage of the population owns 8k TVs?

...yeah and on top of that: WHAT percentage of the population has suddenly developed the eyesight of a Dragonfly in order to even fucking SEE the benefit of 8 K ?? Unless youre playing 1 meter away from a 95 inch screen, whats even the point of these needless increases when 4K is already more than sharp enough for the average human eye..? If anything it might make more sense for VR where you´re eyes are ultra close to the Screens but for TV´s ?? A total waste of resources just to sell ´the next bigger better thing´ *smh*

 

[saintjules]

This thread is the spiritual successor to the Console Prediction Thread before this gen started.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Ps5 is a ps4 pro pro, this will be the pro pro pro

PS4 Pro Max

 

[LordOfChaos]

This thread is the spiritual successor to the Console Prediction Thread before this gen started.

I 'member the 234 page Wii U GPU die shot thread

 

[RoadHazard]

...yeah and on top of that: WHAT percentage of the population has suddenly developed the eyesight of a Dragonfly in order to even fucking SEE the benefit of 8 K ?? Unless youre playing 1 meter away from a 95 inch screen, whats even the point of these needless increases when 4K is already more than sharp enough for the average human eye..? If anything it might make more sense for VR where you´re eyes are ultra close to the Screens but for TV´s ?? A total waste of resources just to sell ´the next bigger better thing´ *smh*

I hear you, and you're absolutely correct on all of that, but I still have to ask: Do dragonflies actually have that good eyesight?

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

Mass populace barely able to find your console until the last 6 - 9 months.

Barely ANY games exclusive to this "new gen", most are old gen games upscaled.

Bring out new, powerful console and charge more for consumers while leaving your current consumers with a now gimped version, that you didn't even get close to actually realizing or utilizing the power of.

Really LOVING what the industry has become over the last decade! Truly!

 

[EDMIX]

day 1

 

[RoadHazard]

73 Gamecubes.

If the PS5 Pro hits 20TF it's more like 2,000 GameCubes (which has a GPU slightly below 10 GFLOPS).

 

[rickybooby87]

One could hope for hardware accelerated FSR3 (Once AMD releases).

 

[Perrott]

Sony probably gonna have a big showcase game for the Trinity like horizon zero dawn was for ps4 pro, so launch would be:
* 2 Ghost 2 Tsushima or SSM big new ip.
*ND will probably release tlou part 2 remake.
* Bungie's Marathon
* Platformer either Astrobot or another Sackboy

In addition to of course a select handful of patched games.

Death Stranding 2 will probably be the first-party flagship to release at PS5 Pro's launch, as that title has been known to be targeting 2024 for a while now. Marathon should also hit late next year, so that's a good call as well. I don't think that Marvel's Wolverine makes it though, probably early 2025.

 

[RoadHazard]

It is way too soon for a PS5-Pro, there are only a handful of dedicated PS5 games currently and none are close to using the PS5 to its potential!

A lot of games already run at like 1080p without even hitting a stable 60. We're also starting to see 30fps only titles. Are those all greatly optimized games? Probably not, but there's clearly room for a console with better performance to power through them.

 

[CHEROKEEE]

I hear you, and you're absolutely correct on all of that, but I still have to ask: Do dragonflies actually have that good eyesight?

Dragonfly Eyesight

I mean, they´re always mentioned when it comes to animals with superiour eysight capabilities... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[RoadHazard]

Dragonfly Eyesight

I mean, they´re always mentioned when it comes to animals with superiour eysight capabilities... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

30K pixels is pretty shit resolution I've gotta say, that's like 173p (for a square image, I can't be arsed to do the math for 16x9).

Edit: I did the math, at 16:9 it's around 130p.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

This thread is the spiritual successor to the Console Prediction Thread before this gen started.

Only like 16 months to go

 

[FrankWza]

 

[Perrott]

Can't believe the amounts of clowns saying that "native 4K is not needed" when a couple of weeks ago we witnessed the release of a tentpole exclusive title, Final Fantasy XVI, struggling to run at a dynamic resolution of 1080-1440p with AMD's mess of a reconstruction technique thrown on top of that.

In terms of image quality, that's borderline unacceptable for a current gen machine and actually below the internal rendering resolution of high-end last-gen exclusives such as The Last Of Us: Part II, which operated at a rock-solid 1440p on the PS4 Pro.

So thank god that we're getting a PS5 Pro this gen.

 

[Investor9872]

Can't believe the amounts of clowns saying that "native 4K is not needed" when a couple of weeks ago we witnessed the release of a tentpole exclusive title, Final Fantasy XVI, struggling to run at a dynamic resolution of 1080-1440p with AMD's mess of a reconstruction technique thrown on top of that.

In terms of image quality, that's borderline unacceptable for a current gen machine and actually below the internal rendering resolution of high-end last-gen exclusives such as The Last Of Us: Part II, which operated at a rock-solid 1440p on the PS4 Pro.

So thank god that we're getting a PS5 Pro this gen.

I would love it if Sony were to move away from AMD and choose NVIDIA for their DLSS 4K solution for the PS6. But that isn't likely going to happen.

 

[DeVeAn]

There are people suggesting the Series S is holding back the Series X but, what happens to the PS5 if this is true?

 

[Topher]

There are people suggesting the Series S is holding back the Series X but, what happens to the PS5 if this is true?

Nothing. Just like PS4 and PS4 Pro. Wasn't a problem.

 

[ergem]

Mass populace barely able to find your console until the last 6 - 9 months.

Barely ANY games exclusive to this "new gen", most are old gen games upscaled.

Bring out new, powerful console and charge more for consumers while leaving your current consumers with a now gimped version, that you didn't even get close to actually realizing or utilizing the power of.

Really LOVING what the industry has become over the last decade! Truly!

Will the PS5 og become more powerful if there is no pro released?

PS5 owners has nothing to worry about as we have seen in the PS4 generation. 90% will own the base model and it will be the target platform for 1st party games. For third parties, they have Series S to worry about so the base PS5 will always perform well.

 

[Imtjnotu]

Voted not a chance cause it’s the last time I buy a game consoles except for the Nintendo ones.

Good for you

This thread doesn't have shit to do with the Switch

 

[MikeM]

Well this is the problem these companies run into with this stuff. Sony can't go out there and say, "buy this PS5 pro so you can get a higher base resolution before FSR reconstruction, and you can get 25% more rays in ray tracing application!" So they have to throw out a higher resolution but it's just nonsensical at this point, like yea who gives a crap about 8K?



It's an APU, I doubt they'll go through the trouble of X3D. Most likely just overclock what's in there now.

I wonder if they will integrate chiplets like RDNA3 is using.

Can't believe the amounts of clowns saying that "native 4K is not needed" when a couple of weeks ago we witnessed the release of a tentpole exclusive title, Final Fantasy XVI, struggling to run at a dynamic resolution of 1080-1440p with AMD's mess of a reconstruction technique thrown on top of that.

In terms of image quality, that's borderline unacceptable for a current gen machine and actually below the internal rendering resolution of high-end last-gen exclusives such as The Last Of Us: Part II, which operated at a rock-solid 1440p on the PS4 Pro.

So thank god that we're getting a PS5 Pro this gen.

Meh. I don’t get the hate with FSR2 at higher resolutions. I almost always use FSR2 quality for basically free frames at 4k. I always compare the image differences and can’t tell the difference.

 

[TheDarkPhantom]

Day 1 whenever it launches, 8K is absolutely unnecessary, just give me every game 4K rock solid 60 FPS with ray tracing and I'm good.

 

[akaFullmetal]

Sounds hungry, can't wait to plug it in!

 

[Pimpbaa]

Pro Slim and PS5 Pro, that naming makes no sense. Obviously a slim model should be called PS5 Slim (if the specs are the same as the standard).

 

[Investor9872]

Battaglia should stay away from any PS5 Pro discussion. He's so biased against anything PS5 that it's not even funny.

The entire Digital Foundry squad should stay away from the PS5 Pro discussion. They are anti-Sony, and are extremely bias towards XBOX since XB invited them out to see the two consoles prior to launch, and Sony didn't.

 

[ByWatterson]

HOT TAKE: They keep naming hardware code names after Matrix characters because DVD made the PS2, and (trust me I remember) The Matrix made DVD.

 

[Investor9872]

2024 - 2020 = ?
try again, you can do it

2+2 is Matic. Anybody here gets this reference will get a big thumbs up from me.

 

[solidus12]

Give me full PS3 backwards compatibility or emulation; if the Steam deck can do it, there's no reason a PS5 Pro can't.

 

[Perrott]

Meh. I don’t get the hate with FSR2 at higher resolutions. I almost always use FSR2 quality for basically free frames at 4k. I always compare the image differences and can’t tell the difference.

Well, the difference between a FSR2 reconstructed image and native 4K rendering is crystal clear to me, even with DLSS, the superior reconstruction technique out there.

No matter the game - be it Red Dead, Cyberpunk, Resident Evil, etc... - there's always a general blur and temporal instability when enabling any image reconstruction technique that it is simply too much for me to handle, regardless of the FPS gain.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I love rumors, they are almost as fun as playing video games!

 

[Morrie’s wig shop]

I really don’t get it. Why? If this thing was scheduled to come at the end of this year, then yeah, okay.
But the end of 2024? that’s 2025 territory.
Then what, 2 Christmas’ from the Pro release the PS6 comes out?

 

[Verchod]

8K?! Horse shit! Unless it's Pong, no chance.

Shame really, they'd be better off making a smaller version than upgrade current one. Games are taking so long to make now, that surely it'll take longer to extract the most out of them.

 

[0neAnd0nly]

People will buy it and its not targeting the casual, 21 voters in here and 62% say for sure

TBF, GAF isn’t a great representation of the overall populace.

Will the PS5 og become more powerful if there is no pro released?

PS5 owners has nothing to worry about as we have seen in the PS4 generation. 90% will own the base model and it will be the target platform for 1st party games. For third parties, they have Series S to worry about so the base PS5 will always perform well.

We have no idea what it’s capable of BECAUSE THEY HAVEN’T MADE ANYTHING FOR IT.

Other than that, it’s just a hole anti consumer BS.

Sony gets away with it because Microsoft is the worst.

Horrible time.

 

[jroc74]

There are people suggesting the Series S is holding back the Series X but, what happens to the PS5 if this is true?

The Series S is a good deal weaker than both the Series X and PS5.

Not sure why this would even be a comparison. Sony aren't making a weaker console. That's what MS did.

Or are we now accepting that the Series S is the main, base console for MS? And the Series X was their mid gen refresh?

 

[ergem]

TBF, GAF isn’t a great representation of the overall populace.


We have no idea what it’s capable of BECAUSE THEY HAVEN’T MADE ANYTHING FOR IT.

Other than that, it’s just a hole anti consumer BS.

Sony gets away with it because Microsoft is the worst.

Horrible time.

How is it anti-consumer? wtf

What else do you lose from PS5 pro aside from your pride?

 

[DeVeAn]

The Series S is a good deal weaker than both the Series X and PS5.

Not sure why this would even be a comparison. Sony aren't making a weaker console. That's what MS did.

Or are we now accepting that the Series S is the main, base console for MS? And the Series X was their mid gen refresh?

Well it’s easy to understand. If a pro model happens PS5 will be the weaker console and the Pro will be better. How is that not the same concept as Series S/X? Besides digital foundry claims Microsoft said the X was their mid gen refresh.