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[Madserb2023]

The discussion about Pro consoles and how they might actually be useful now

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Just give me the current quality modes at 60 fps and I will be happy. If it can do better ray tracing then even better, but I can't see most developers using any PS5 Pro specific features beyond Sony.

 

[Hunnybun]

So do we think devs will go back and offer PS5 Pro patches to improve some of their games once the Pro (hopefully) releases? Or is it not really worth their while? I can’t really remember what happened when the PS4 Pro came out. There are definitely some games I’m holding off from playing in the hope they’ll play better on the Pro.

I'd assume it'll be a mixed bag, like last time, in terms of actual patches.

From what I understand the real difference this time is that the prevalence of DRS will mean that most games will get an automatic boost, right?

I can't think of many games this wouldn't apply to tbh, especially in performance mode.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

I bet we get some leaks soon

Go full Chaka Demus & Pliers or go home!

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Go full Chaka Demus & Pliers or go home!

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

NO!!! Tease us, bitch!

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

NO!!! Tease us, bitch!

 

[Sethbacca]

but hopefully, with the upgraded features from next arch, 7800xt still falls flat in raytracing and would be underwhelming without improvements.

We need that Cerny secret sauce. Hopefully AMD will get their shit together and put something out there that competes in the high end at some point again and force NVidia to actually compete because these card prices are still fucking retarded.

 

[demented waffle]

We need that Cerny secret sauce. Hopefully AMD will get their shit together and put something out there that competes in the high end at some point again and force NVidia to actually compete because these card prices are still fucking retarded.

You have to wonder if MS and Sony aren't pressuring AMD to change architectures. If they don't, you would have to think they go custom hardware on AI and RT. No way console peeps don't want better image reconstruction and path tracing.

 

[Sethbacca]

You have to wonder if MS and Sony aren't pressuring AMD to change architectures. If they don't, you would have to think they go custom hardware on AI and RT. No way console peeps don't want better image reconstruction and path tracing.

Kind of makes me think of that interview where Phil said they fucked up the worst generation to miss out on because people created their digital catalogs now. To some degree Sony are locked into an AMD ecosystem if they want to keep everyone tied to their catalogs and that requires backward compatibility. Switching to a new architecture completely would give MS a chance to get their foot back in the door if they couldn't rely on back catalogs. MS however would be in a good spot to change hardware and use xcloud as their compatibility layer if they wanted to switch to potentially leverage NVidia tech for better 1st and 3rd party visuals. Honestly, wouldn't be their worst idea at this point.

 

[SABRE220]

Are you hearing positive news in terms of specs or are people underwhelmed?

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Kind of makes me think of that interview where Phil said they fucked up the worst generation to miss out on because people created their digital catalogs now. To some degree Sony are locked into an AMD ecosystem if they want to keep everyone tied to their catalogs and that requires backward compatibility. Switching to a new architecture completely would give MS a chance to get their foot back in the door if they couldn't rely on back catalogs. MS however would be in a good spot to change hardware and use xcloud as their compatibility layer if they wanted to switch to potentially leverage NVidia tech for better 1st and 3rd party visuals. Honestly, wouldn't be their worst idea at this point.

Yeah... while I wouldn't be surprised if there were future Sony/MS consoles using ARM... they are def not going to use nVidia. Lets just put it at that.

 

[Caio]

I just hope to play Games in fidelity mode and better effects/ray tracing at 60 fps, compared to what the base PS5 can do at 30 fps. I'm expecting a boost of around 2.3 X the performance over the PS5. If I'm not wrong, PS4 PRO has roughly 2.3 times the performance of a PS4.

 

[Sethbacca]

Yeah... while I wouldn't be surprised if there were future Sony/MS consoles using ARM... they are def not going to use nVidia. Lets just put it at that.

Yeah I'm just spitballing, I'm not thinking it has any legitimate chance of happening. I do think MS is in a better position to change from AMD than Sony though since they have less to lose by transitioning at this point. Intel's Xe might be decent with a few more revisions and could probably be gotten cheap.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Yeah I'm just spitballing, I'm not thinking it has any legitimate chance of happening. I do think MS is in a better position to change from AMD than Sony though since they have less to lose by transitioning at this point. Intel's Xe might be decent with a few more revisions and could probably be gotten cheap.

Also MS has a history with Intel/nvidia with the OG Xbox.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Are you hearing positive news in terms of specs or are people underwhelmed?

Have not heard anything along those lines just that packages were being delivered

 

[Physiognomonics]

Have not heard anything along those lines just that packages were being delivered

 

[Panajev2001a]

I just hope to play Games in fidelity mode and better effects/ray tracing at 60 fps, compared to what the base PS5 can do at 30 fps. I'm expecting a boost of around 2.3 X the performance over the PS5. If I'm not wrong, PS4 PRO has roughly 2.3 times the performance of a PS4.

Unless breakthrough happens you can expect every “ounce” of improvement matter a bit less than before… diminishing returns kicking in, so in order to have noticeable differences you need larger and larger improvements at each jump.

We will see, but I am prepared for PS5 Pro to deliver a smaller boost to PS5 titles compared to what PS4 Pro provided on top of PS4 titles… it is true far more games use DRS, have performance and quality modes, and have VRR kicking in even without LFC as long as you can push your game at/or above 48 FPS constantly. We shall see…

For me big improvements will come with PS6 where Sony will invest more in software BC and do a large CPU and architecture update.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Also MS has a history with Intel/nvidia with the OG Xbox.

Not a great history .

 

[onQ123]

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Not a great history .

Was arguably the best Xbox console.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Was arguably the best Xbox console.

Despite the experience they had with their suppliers haha .

 

[Thedtrain]

I love when the birdies start talking.
Rumors of new consoles are my favorite thing HeisenbergFX4

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Despite the experience they had with their suppliers haha .

Nintendo hasn't had any since working with nvidia.
Looks like nvidia learned something.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Nintendo hasn't had any since working with nvidia.
Looks like nvidia learned something.

Or Nintendo just gets whatever old chip they want to throw at them and passes the costs onto users… but sure, if MS will go the Nintendo approach designing HW it could be fun . Is this nVIDIA great white hope saviour thing going on ?

 

[Moridianae]

I love when the birdies start talking.
Rumors of new consoles are my favorite thing HeisenbergFX4

The rumor times leading up to the PS5 and XSX were wild. Good times. I'm excited for the Pro.

I still feel that these consoles haven't really been tapped or pushed(especially PS5 compared to how much PS4 was able to do in later years), but more power is welcome.

 

[truth411]

Was arguably the best Xbox console.

Nope that clearly was the 360.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Nope that clearly was the 360.

From a hardware poitn of view? Nah...the original was.
360 was a clusterfuck on release come on now...

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Nope that clearly was the 360.

Nope as the latter half of the 360 went to shit with crap like kinect releasing.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

 

[Imtjnotu]

Any cliff notes. I'm not going through another video after that garbage RGT put out yesterday

 

[TheRedRiders]

Any cliff notes. I'm not going through another video after that garbage RGT put out yesterday

He's doing some mental gymnastics to justify the existence of a Pro. Nothing more.

 

[Imtjnotu]

He's doing some mental gymnastics to justify the existence of a Pro. Nothing more.

 

[Physiognomonics]

He completely misses the point about the Pro. 0/10. He thinks Sony is doing the Pro to have a more powerful console than MS to beat them on the childish "my console is the most powerful out there" narrative after they own COD and the others big games. And Pro is also going to bring much better graphics to PSVR2. I almost laughed at the notion of PS5 Pro being there for PSVR2. Like if Sony was caring one bit about PSVR2 currently. Also specifically PS5 Pro will be very important for... Gran Turismo 7. I mean do people complain about the awful graphics of GT7 running only on PS5? I thought the game was already one of the most impressive showcase on PSVR2?

 

[FalconPunch]

Was arguably the best Xbox console.

That’s the Xbox 360 by a long shot.

 

[sncvsrtoip]

Also specifically PS5 Pro will be very important for... Gran Turismo 7. I mean do people complain about the awful graphics of GT7 running only on PS5? I thought the game was already one of the most impressive showcase on PSVR2?

Its reprojected from 60fps to 120 with ghosting artifacts, ps5pro running it native 90fps or 120 would be noticable improvement

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

He completely misses the point about the Pro. 0/10. He thinks Sony is doing the Pro to have a more powerful console than MS to beat them on the childish "my console is the most powerful out there" narrative after they own COD and the others big games. And Pro is also going to bring much better graphics to PSVR2. I almost laughed at the notion of PS5 Pro being there for PSVR2. Like if Sony was caring one bit about PSVR2 currently. Also specifically PS5 Pro will be very important for... Gran Turismo 7. I mean do people complain about the awful graphics of GT7 running only on PS5? I thought the game was already one of the most impressive showcase on PSVR2?

Its likely being released for the exact reason the PS4 Pro was released, to keep people in the PS ecosystem and not get bored and migrate to PC

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

Its reprojected from 60fps to 120 with ghosting artifacts, ps5pro running it native 90fps or 120 would be noticable improvement

I highly doubt that the minor CPU improvement can achieve that.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I highly doubt that the minor CPU improvement can achieve that.

I agree.

I think people are in for a letdown for those thinking it’s a monster like RGT keeps posting it is

 

[Team Andromeda]

Its likely being released for the exact reason the PS4 Pro was released, to keep people in the PS ecosystem and not get bored and migrate to PC

I don't agree . It was more for VR and to support 4K we had the PS 4 Pro , nothing to do with worries over PC

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I don't agree . It was more for VR and to support 4K we had the PS 4 Pro , nothing to do with worries over PC

Most think that but Sony themselves said otherwise.

People keep forgetting these companies only care about the bottom line, money

They don't build systems for us to enjoy something more, they build them to take our money

Quote

One of the reasons why Sony is coming out with the PlayStation 4 Pro is to help keep gamers inside the PlayStation ecosystem instead of moving over to PC to find the high-end experience they're looking for. This is according to PlayStation president Andrew House, who shared his thoughts in a new interview.

"I saw some data that really influenced me," House told The Guardian. "It suggested that there's a dip mid-console lifecycle where the players who want the very best graphical experience will start to migrate to PC, because that's obviously where it's to be had. We wanted to keep those people within our ecosystem by giving them the very best and very highest [performance quality]. So the net result of those thoughts was PlayStation 4 Pro--and, by and large, a graphical approach to game improvement."


https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-explains-how-ps4-pro-may-help-keep-people-fro/1100-6443431/

 

[Team Andromeda]

Most think that but Sony themselves said otherwise.

People keep forgetting these companies only care about the bottom line, money

They don't build systems for us to enjoy something more, they build them to take our money

Quote

One of the reasons why Sony is coming out with the PlayStation 4 Pro is to help keep gamers inside the PlayStation ecosystem instead of moving over to PC to find the high-end experience they're looking for. This is according to PlayStation president Andrew House, who shared his thoughts in a new interview.

"I saw some data that really influenced me," House told The Guardian. "It suggested that there's a dip mid-console lifecycle where the players who want the very best graphical experience will start to migrate to PC, because that's obviously where it's to be had. We wanted to keep those people within our ecosystem by giving them the very best and very highest [performance quality]. So the net result of those thoughts was PlayStation 4 Pro--and, by and large, a graphical approach to game improvement."


https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-explains-how-ps4-pro-may-help-keep-people-fro/1100-6443431/

I don't believe consoles players look to migrate to the PC, if that were the case they would never have bothered with the PlayStation in the 1st place, even a PS5 Pro will be miles off what a High PC can give you for visuals

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I don't believe consoles players look to migrate to the PC, if that were the case they would never have bothered with the PlayStation in the 1st place, even a PS5 Pro will be miles off what a High PC can give you for visuals

You are free to believe what you want but I tend to believe House when he said they had data to support they do

And of course a PC can do miles better than a PS5 Pro, also at close to 10x the cost as the PS5 Pro is supposed to be around a 4070 in real world performance

 

[welshrat]

You are free to believe what you want but I tend to believe House when he said they had data to support they do

And of course a PC can do miles better than a PS5 Pro, also at close to 10x the cost as the PS5 Pro is supposed to be around a 4070 in real world performance

I did exactly that half way through PS3 life cycle. I migrated to PC after seeing Battlefield 3. Although I am now a cross platform gamer PS4 Pro definitely helped keep me in the PS eco system and It will be the same for me with the PS5 Pro. It definitely is a thing. I even built Two PC's one for the living room and one for the office. The Ps4 Pro made me ditch the living room one.

 

[welshrat]

I did exactly that half way through PS3 life cycle. I migrated to PC after seeing Battlefield 3. Although I am now a cross platform gamer PS4 Pro definitely helped keep my in the PS eco system and It will be the same for me with the PS5 Pro. It definitely is a thing. I even built Two PC's one for the living room and one for the office. The Ps4 Pro made me ditch the living room one.

 

[Team Andromeda]

You are free to believe what you want but I tend to believe House when he said they had data to support they do

And of course a PC can do miles better than a PS5 Pro, also at close to 10x the cost as the PS5 Pro is supposed to be around a 4070 in real world performance

I will, even the PS4 Pro was miles behind what a half-decent PC could offer, never mind what a PC can off this gen.
I'll wait to see what the PS5 Pro really does offer, unless SONY wants to look at charging over £600 for a console

 

[Wandering Leopard]

It'll definitely be a moderate upgrade for these reasons:

• You don't want to spend too much on R&D for a mid gen upgrade - why not use that money for PS6 R&D
• Theres no need for them to do what MS did with One X - which came about because of what happened with the XBox One
• And if we look back, the pro was a marginal upgrade (although you can't always use the past to predict the future)
• You don't want to annoy dev teams too much by releasing something too different that must also run all (or 99.9%) of existing and upcoming ps5 titles without any major issues

I just don't think there are any solid business reasons for Sony to make something a lot more powerful.

 

[damidu]

I don't believe consoles players look to migrate to the PC, if that were the case they would never have bothered with the PlayStation in the 1st place, even a PS5 Pro will be miles off what a High PC can give you for visuals

it will not target high end crowd, it will cost a fraction of a high end gpu alone.

but towards mid-gen even on mid range pcs you start to have meaningful advantages over a console.
then there is good chance you'll be buying more of third party games on pc. know this from experience. and if you consider people caring about these things are probably more paying/playing demographic, it makes perfect sense to target them with a niche product.

 

[sncvsrtoip]

I highly doubt that the minor CPU improvement can achieve that.

Gt7 already has over 100fps mode, its not cpu limited

 

[Team Andromeda]

it will not target high end crowd, it will cost a fraction of a high end gpu alone.

but towards mid-gen even on mid range pcs you start to have meaningful advantages over a console.
then there is good chance you'll be buying more of third party games on pc. know this from experience. and if you consider people caring about these things are probably more paying/playing demographic, it makes perfect sense to target them with a niche product.

So then if its high-end graphics you want, its the PC. I got the point of the PS4 Pro not really seeing the need for a PS5 Pro myself. I'm very happy with my current PS5 even when using PSVR2.

 

[Metnut]

Whether I upgrade really depends on whether there’s any solid trade-in deals for a launch PS5. Paying $250-$350 to upgrade after trade-in is doable. Paying $700-800 to upgrade just isn’t worth it even if I have plenty of disposable income. No need to light money on fire.