James Sawyer Ford
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I don't see the point in a trickle down messaging campaign
the damage is already done, and their fans will see through their shit and know it's not ending anytime soon.
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Phil Spencer: announcement this week
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I don't see the point in a trickle down messaging campaign
the damage is already done, and their fans will see through their shit and know it's not ending anytime soon.
FewRope
Member
Everyone in the industry knows the GP model is bullshit
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Can't believe how many arguments I got in with people on this board that GamePass was profitable and that I was an idiot for not believing Microsoft's statements (despite them not reading the fine print)
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
lol no they won’t. Phil will come up with some non denial denial and tag these people along for the ride just like he has for the past 11 years.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Their fans have all given up at this point. This was a "there's no turning back" moment.
But their extermist fans are extremely dumb and naive, so maybe.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Yep the rumors are true. He might not be there anymore, but I'm pretty sure he was aware of talks on these plans prior to leaving, and I think the absolute top at Xbox leadership know what's going down (even if they're not in favor of it or calling the shots).
Just a matter on how they deliver the news.
Well...yeah. The diehards will always have the sinking suspicion of "knowing" the truth of things because even if the news is delivered over time in piecemeal, they'll just keep referring back to the original rumors and checking them off.
But it is still an option for MS. Guess we'll see in a week which way they go tho, I'd personally have a good measure of respect if they did in fact just lay it all out there bare.
Welp I guess this is a good time to take my ass to bed xD. Let's see the thread jump another 10 pages in 12 hours
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Yep the rumors are true. He might not be there anymore, but I'm pretty sure he was aware of talks on these plans prior to leaving, and I think the absolute top at Xbox leadership know what's going down (even if they're not in favor of it or calling the shots).
Just a matter on how they deliver the news.
Well...yeah. The diehards will always have the sinking suspicion of "knowing" the truth of things because even if the news is delivered over time in piecemeal, they'll just keep referring back to the original rumors and checking them off.
But it is still an option for MS. Guess we'll see in a week which way they go tho, I'd personally have a good measure of respect if they did in fact just lay it all out there bare.
Welp I guess this is a good time to take my ass to bed xD. Let's see the thread jump another 10 pages in 12 hours
Yeah dont get me wrong
I expect Phil to fail spectacularly on being clear, confident, and transparent as always
But if there ever were a time to be just that, it is now. And I suspect that this message will not come solely from Phil, but higher ups at Microsoft.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
ChorizoPicozo
Member
I'm listening to the timdogo space thing on Twitter.
believe it or no, tim is less cringe than jizz corder and colt eatswood
they just said something interesting:
Xbox can white label games on PS5 using MS's cloud infrastructure . similar to control on switch. in which you could buy/access a xbox game but when you launched is using MS's cloud infrastructure.
back to the topic:
The messaging has to be God-like for them to succeed with the core fanbase. The reality of the situation is that they are failing in so many areas that there is a new possibility that Phil is not even going to be the one making the statement, and if he does, he will just be Nadella's puppet.
Windle Poons
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
My thoughts (and probably echoing others in this thread)
First party games exclusive to Xbox for 12 months (for example Indiana Jones)
No new CoD games day one on GPU - Xbox / PS5 / Switch / PC all £69.99+ on all storefronts day one
Some old and forgotten games that have been on GP released on other platforms to test the water at £49.99+
First party exclusive games join GPU after 12 months on sale and on the same day release on other platforms to attempt more revenue.
First party games exclusive to Xbox for 12 months (for example Indiana Jones)
No new CoD games day one on GPU - Xbox / PS5 / Switch / PC all £69.99+ on all storefronts day one
Some old and forgotten games that have been on GP released on other platforms to test the water at £49.99+
First party exclusive games join GPU after 12 months on sale and on the same day release on other platforms to attempt more revenue.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
I don't have a lot of faith in this core fanbase though. Phil has lied through his teeth to them for YEARS. People kept warning, but the core fanbase just kept every new spin by Phil.
There is a strong possibility that a portion of the core fanbase still believes the spin that Phil weaves next week.
freefornow
Gold Member
Bailed or pushed? Felt like MS were chipping away at his relevance after the cancellation of his "shows" and change of roles.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
absolutely. but you know who has incentive to do so? people like jizz, colt, parris, lord cognito.
People who makes money making xbox content. they are in shambles because if xbox goes away also their audiences.
balls of snow
Member
We really doing this the whole week huh.
Excellent.
Excellent.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Going to be dissapointment for all sides.
Anyone thinking Phil doesn't know what'd happening, is living in pure fan fiction. He will he directly in the conversations.
He may have little control on the decision but he will be voicing his opinion and a decisions will be being shaped. That's unless he is out the door.
I am loving this week to see the pure insanity from all sides.
Next week we will be back to reality where MS does another long winded conversation about what's happening but we really won't know everything and even if they were being honest, no one will believe them and we will be back to square one with people speculating "it's only a matter of time" "the writings on the wall"
So, xbox you're officially in lose lose. You have been for some time but I don't think there's any coming back from this. Even if you released 3 gaoty contenders a year, they will struggle to see any success in the console space.
They may end up massive in the software relm but hardware is going to struggle. I actually believe phil was right, there's no future where MS out consoles sony.
Anyone thinking Phil doesn't know what'd happening, is living in pure fan fiction. He will he directly in the conversations.
He may have little control on the decision but he will be voicing his opinion and a decisions will be being shaped. That's unless he is out the door.
I am loving this week to see the pure insanity from all sides.
Next week we will be back to reality where MS does another long winded conversation about what's happening but we really won't know everything and even if they were being honest, no one will believe them and we will be back to square one with people speculating "it's only a matter of time" "the writings on the wall"
So, xbox you're officially in lose lose. You have been for some time but I don't think there's any coming back from this. Even if you released 3 gaoty contenders a year, they will struggle to see any success in the console space.
They may end up massive in the software relm but hardware is going to struggle. I actually believe phil was right, there's no future where MS out consoles sony.
Nydius
Member
I think most objective, rational people can see that they will need to get away from the dropping their exclusives on Game Pass day 1 if they want to see revenues increase. I certainly believe that will be the case, though maybe not a full 12 months.
However, their core fanbase has become so wrapped up in the “Day One Game Pass!” marketing rhetoric that any change from that by Microsoft will probably cause them to meltdown just as badly as they have been these last few days. They’ll use words like “betrayal” and other such hyperbole. For some of them, it’s literally been part of their online identity.
These leaks and the way Phil made a tweet saying nothing and allowing the issue to persist for a full week has done considerable, and likely irreparable, harm to Xbox as a brand. As bad as the Xbox One reveal blunder. Except this time, I don’t see any way they can realistically pivot to fix it. At least with the XBO mistake they still had some goodwill from the 360 years.
When that xboxera guy (Jon Clarke? ) said he's losing sleep and mentioned "entire business models". This is exactly what he meant.
Windle Poons
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Okay.
Game Pass Ultra Premium - £29.99 a month includes all day one first party exclusives. None release that month? You’ll still get all the turds that’s included in the £12.99 tier.
I know that’s highly unlikely but expect their shills would lap it up and promote it as the new best deal in gaming.
Game Pass Ultra Premium - £29.99 a month includes all day one first party exclusives. None release that month? You’ll still get all the turds that’s included in the £12.99 tier.
I know that’s highly unlikely but expect their shills would lap it up and promote it as the new best deal in gaming.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Yeah their livelihood is at stake.
Even guys like Digital Foundry would be somewhat panicking lol
ChorizoPicozo
Member
he knows but he is not calling the shots.
exactly he is "holding the line" just like spiderman trying to stop the trian
history in the making.
well that's true. all this drama and isanity is about the console market.
that's the belief of xbox super fanboys like Timdogo
The branding and PR that has shaped Phil’s public persona over the past few years is really something. No matter how powerful he gets within Microsoft his fans still find ways to absolve him of all responsibility for anything they don’t like. It’s incredible really. Teflon Phil indeed.
havoc00
Member
He’s a man of the people he games like us gains weight like us and just gets it ok?
tommib
Banned
That was highly entertaining and actually not cringe. Love when he sings and the whole thing has mad energy. Top shit.
SneakersSO
Member
It really is bizarre the more I think about it. Zero communication on it for this long while also not denying it. And its absolutely damaging things.
If they are okay with things eroding to this point for this long, its because theres no going back to how things were being run prior to this.
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not but I'm glad you enjoyed it if you did.
Cyberpunkd
Member
Banjo64
cumsessed
She scratches my leg when she wants food.
VolticArchangel
Member
Remember when Major Nelson tweeted that meme Phil tweet ("When everybody plays we all win right?"), but sarcastically, and the Xbox fanbase was out to get him?
I think he knew, meant this and this was the reason for him to leave the company, and his mother's passing obviously as well.
MonkeyClaw36
Banned
Now that would be the same level of trolling Sega did in the 90's. Im all for it!
Ashamam
Member
I don't think they will talk about hardware next week.
I think hardware continues this and next generation with lessons learnt. (So if they do a S again it will correct for memory issues. But probably the next gen will have some surprises). But this will be dealt with later in terms of messaging. They won't muddy the waters next week except maybe something about they aren't going anywhere and will be bigger and better etc.
GP may get a mention if Day 1 gets changed. That would be a massive pita for them though, with cost and messaging issues so I doubt it. Possible but very unlikely. Day 1 is a huge financial hit for them though, so it depends on whether multiplat is a stopgap of sorts or the centre piece of a new strategy. In the first instance it would be about paying for Day 1 until GP hits the original forecasts, the second instance Day 1 becomes a drag on the bottom line. In which case it goes away somehow sometime.
Which just leaves exclusives. I think next week they will announce just around this and it will be simple messaging around it allowing them to make better games etc etc. Probably highlighting the best place to play is Xbox without delayed release or extras. I think they probably wanted to dip a toe in the water publicly but now they will have to outline the actual strategy.
Which I suspect is everything goes multiplat, just not on day one. But not day 365, more like day 30. Enough time for Xbox to feel exclusive, but not enough time for the buzz to disappear.
There is no reason they can't copy PS in a sense with their delayed PC releases, the same concept applies. With the back catalog there is no reason to delay, so they will arrive with regular cadence to keep the tap flowing without overwhelming the new marketplace. Also they will probably create some type of internal resource to coordinate the ports across studios. Not everything in the back catalog will be ported of course, just key titles. Its all the future titles I think that will go multiplat.
Thats my prediction.
(This is a crosspost from another forum I originally posted this on in case someone from there sees this.)
I think hardware continues this and next generation with lessons learnt. (So if they do a S again it will correct for memory issues. But probably the next gen will have some surprises). But this will be dealt with later in terms of messaging. They won't muddy the waters next week except maybe something about they aren't going anywhere and will be bigger and better etc.
GP may get a mention if Day 1 gets changed. That would be a massive pita for them though, with cost and messaging issues so I doubt it. Possible but very unlikely. Day 1 is a huge financial hit for them though, so it depends on whether multiplat is a stopgap of sorts or the centre piece of a new strategy. In the first instance it would be about paying for Day 1 until GP hits the original forecasts, the second instance Day 1 becomes a drag on the bottom line. In which case it goes away somehow sometime.
Which just leaves exclusives. I think next week they will announce just around this and it will be simple messaging around it allowing them to make better games etc etc. Probably highlighting the best place to play is Xbox without delayed release or extras. I think they probably wanted to dip a toe in the water publicly but now they will have to outline the actual strategy.
Which I suspect is everything goes multiplat, just not on day one. But not day 365, more like day 30. Enough time for Xbox to feel exclusive, but not enough time for the buzz to disappear.
There is no reason they can't copy PS in a sense with their delayed PC releases, the same concept applies. With the back catalog there is no reason to delay, so they will arrive with regular cadence to keep the tap flowing without overwhelming the new marketplace. Also they will probably create some type of internal resource to coordinate the ports across studios. Not everything in the back catalog will be ported of course, just key titles. Its all the future titles I think that will go multiplat.
Thats my prediction.
(This is a crosspost from another forum I originally posted this on in case someone from there sees this.)
Wow this Hail Spencer Song aged well
god! everything to hate about this stupid fanbase distilled to 5 minutes. unbearable but poetic in a way.
lol pretty generous to think that they realize anything.
its more like bunch of tantrums at the moment.
ArcaneNLSC
Member
ArcaneNLSC
Member
yeah a fan said this feels illegal as Major Nelson was promoting PS5 bundles on Amazon and yeah Nelson replied "When everybody plays we win right"
MonkeyClaw36
Banned
I'm not a fan of Kotaku, but this article is a good read.
kotaku.com
The Church Of Xbox Is Going Through Its Own Armageddon
A few rumors and reports were all it took for some console warriors to turn on Microsoft
kotaku.com
It doesn't matter as the core fanbase isn't enough to save them. Once a few games get ported that's it. People will just wait believing all games will get ported eventually much like people now say "l'll just wait for it to be added to Gamepass". The grave has been dug and now it is time for someone to get in.
balls of snow
Member
Him and another user here (sorry cant remember your name) were like Nostradamus. Coyly saying stuff months in advance I recall even before the old leak with indy being majority first person. Wonder if they are like straight up family members of the upper echelon of ms management.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
This may come as a surprise, but to help you understand...
They can take a week because their "brand" was already non-existent. And they knew it. What they are about to announce, regardless of what the odd few cult-like followers they have tell you, will save their IPs, studios, and jobs. Going forward, Xbox studios stands to become one of the most profitable (and biggest) publishers in the world.
The "people" next week's announcement is actually for, only care about that part.
MilkyJoe
Member
This just in
Leaker Nate the Hate was among those who reported to have heard about Starfield. However, he clarified some things in a series of tweets posted a few hours ago.
As noted above, I didn't want to report on it until a release window was finalized -- meaning plans remain open to change.
Microsoft will bring select games multiplat. That I have confidence in.
People are making wild assumptions that EVERY game is going multiplat -- which is not the case.
Nor is Microsoft going to exit the hardware industry.
The multiplat strategy is a slight shift in strategy, in which SOME titles go multiplat. MS will keep high profile games exclusive.
wccftech.com
Leaker Nate the Hate was among those who reported to have heard about Starfield. However, he clarified some things in a series of tweets posted a few hours ago.
As noted above, I didn't want to report on it until a release window was finalized -- meaning plans remain open to change.
Microsoft will bring select games multiplat. That I have confidence in.
People are making wild assumptions that EVERY game is going multiplat -- which is not the case.
Nor is Microsoft going to exit the hardware industry.
The multiplat strategy is a slight shift in strategy, in which SOME titles go multiplat. MS will keep high profile games exclusive.
Microsoft Isn't Going Fully Multiplatform or Exiting the Console Market, Says Leaker
Renowned leaker Nate the Hate said Microsoft isn't going fully multiplatform of exiting the console market. The shift will be for small games.
wccftech.com
MonkeyClaw36
Banned
Which "High profile" games are left?This just in
Leaker Nate the Hate was among those who reported to have heard about Starfield. However, he clarified some things in a series of tweets posted a few hours ago.
As noted above, I didn't want to report on it until a release window was finalized -- meaning plans remain open to change.
Microsoft will bring select games multiplat. That I have confidence in.
People are making wild assumptions that EVERY game is going multiplat -- which is not the case.
Nor is Microsoft going to exit the hardware industry.
The multiplat strategy is a slight shift in strategy, in which SOME titles go multiplat. MS will keep high profile games exclusive.
Microsoft Isn't Going Fully Multiplatform or Exiting the Console Market, Says Leaker
Renowned leaker Nate the Hate said Microsoft isn't going fully multiplatform of exiting the console market. The shift will be for small games.
I call BS. If this was the case, a simple press release would suffice.
No, there is something on the Forza Horizon here and it's fishy.
I don't get what's not understandable. They were probably preparing some sort of a presentation for a later date this spring, but due to the recent rumors, they were forced to announce whatever is happening sooner. Do you expect them to somehow rush out a presentation like this in a couple of hours?
GHG
Gold Member
I don't think any of the Forza games end up on Sony or Nintendo platforms, it's highly unlikely due to the complexities surrounding the car licensing agreements.
Kenneth Haight
Gold Member
Is this guy english but pretending to be American, have never heard an accent as bad. What a mouth frothing lunatic.
PaintTinJr
Member
And destroying their relationship with 3rd parties that must be equally in the dark IMO, hence no credible leakage.
It all feels like the Microsoft Ceo is dropping the economic hammer next week and protecting the $90b they've recently spent on a few publishers and protecting sales from all the other studios they own and fund is more important than propping up xbox as a failing hardware platform, and propping up gamepass with day one games when a sea of PS5's exist to sell games on.
If we don't get an official announcement from Phil, today it seems like Satya is announcing the new vision for shareholders and that's why it is next week IMO
MonkeyClaw36
Banned
demigod
Member
StealthGoblin, he was permed.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Some games won't be day 1 because of the transitionary period and because their ports would have started late. Porting games takes time, e.g., Sony still hasn't been able to port 2020 games like Ghost of Tsushima, Demon's Souls, etc. You can't release all of them together either, as releases need to be spread out.This just in
Leaker Nate the Hate was among those who reported to have heard about Starfield. However, he clarified some things in a series of tweets posted a few hours ago.
As noted above, I didn't want to report on it until a release window was finalized -- meaning plans remain open to change.
Microsoft will bring select games multiplat. That I have confidence in.
People are making wild assumptions that EVERY game is going multiplat -- which is not the case.
Nor is Microsoft going to exit the hardware industry.
The multiplat strategy is a slight shift in strategy, in which SOME titles go multiplat. MS will keep high profile games exclusive.
Microsoft Isn't Going Fully Multiplatform or Exiting the Console Market, Says Leaker
Renowned leaker Nate the Hate said Microsoft isn't going fully multiplatform of exiting the console market. The shift will be for small games.
Apart from the aforementioned reasons, ALL games will be ported.
The only exceptions would be the ones that have potential license issues (e.g., Forza), human resources issues (e.g., Moon Studios may not be available for Ori anymore), or financial viability issues (e.g., Redfall not worth porting as nobody would buy it).
Bonuses, job security, studio growth, etc. are all tied to game sales and revenue. If Microsoft offers some studios (e.g., Rare and Tango) opportunities to earn more money and not others (e.g., 343i and Playground), there will be riots within XGS!
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Wow this Hail Spencer Song aged well
Every sentence in this is so ironic.
"The game has been changed forever."
"I can't believe it is all over."
"What are you gonna do?!"
LOL