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Phil Spencer: announcement this week

Windle Poons

Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
This just in


Leaker Nate the Hate was among those who reported to have heard about Starfield. However, he clarified some things in a series of tweets posted a few hours ago.

As noted above, I didn't want to report on it until a release window was finalized -- meaning plans remain open to change.

Microsoft will bring select games multiplat. That I have confidence in.

People are making wild assumptions that EVERY game is going multiplat -- which is not the case.

Nor is Microsoft going to exit the hardware industry.

The multiplat strategy is a slight shift in strategy, in which SOME titles go multiplat. MS will keep high profile games exclusive.



This is what I thought all along to be fair but stupid ambassador twats that sold their hardware will be begging Phil to replace them free of charge which no doubt he will.
 

FunkMiller

Banned
I don't understand how they decided to take a week to do this while their brand is burning. Super weird decision.

It's not really. They've obviously been caught on the hop by these leaks, and need time to put the messaging together in a way that won't alienate the entire audience.

It'll probably alienate the entire audience anyway, but they'll try their hardest to sweeten the pill. In major corpos this kind of thing takes time, as there are many voices who want input into it.
 
The branding and PR that has shaped Phil’s public persona over the past few years is really something. No matter how powerful he gets within Microsoft his fans still find ways to absolve him of all responsibility for anything they don’t like. It’s incredible really. Teflon Phil indeed.

Makes me vomit
 

kruis

Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
This just in


Leaker Nate the Hate was among those who reported to have heard about Starfield. However, he clarified some things in a series of tweets posted a few hours ago.

As noted above, I didn't want to report on it until a release window was finalized -- meaning plans remain open to change.

Microsoft will bring select games multiplat. That I have confidence in.

People are making wild assumptions that EVERY game is going multiplat -- which is not the case.

Nor is Microsoft going to exit the hardware industry.

The multiplat strategy is a slight shift in strategy, in which SOME titles go multiplat. MS will keep high profile games exclusive.




In the short run? Yes, because it takes time for individual studios to support a completely different platform when games had started life as an Xbox exclusive.

But it inevitable that all of Microsoft's biggest games will be released on other platforms in the long run. If Xbox's operational costs have become indeed unsustainable and additional revenue streams are now needed to keep the business running, what's going to bring in the most cash: releasing small games like Hi-fi Rush or the big guns that will move millions of additional copies on PS5/Switch 2? Bethesda once believed it could sell 10 million copies of Starfield on PlayStation alone. A big sales success is going to help Microsoft's bottom line much more than selling an additional 300,000 copies of Hi-Fi Rush.

It'll take time for Xbox only studios time to start supporting PS5 fully, in particular if they've been working with custom engines instead of Unreal or Unity, but when that's the case expect PS5 versions to be released day 1. MS will sell more copies with simultaneous multi-platform releases than when the PS5 version is delayed by a year. There's less hype/media attention when ports for other platforms arrive 12 months down the line, and those sales will be even worse if those games were critical failures. Starfield on PS5 from day 1 would have sold millions of copies despite the average reviews, but the same game coming out in 2025 will be seen as a late port of a failed game and sell a fraction of what it could have.
 
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GHG

Gold Member
Uhhh this isnt even an issue. If licensing for cars run out, they'll also have to remove them from the game itself or delist the game entirely.
Its an IP thing, not license.

No its not about the duration, it's about what rights the licensing agreements give them. Some manufacturers will charge extra for each platform you intend to release on. If you have no plans to release everywhere then you can save some money by only having a single platform license agreement.

So the feasibility of any further ports will depend on what agreements they have with the manufacturers and whether or not they will be willing to adjust them if and where necessary.
 
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Windle Poons

Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
I don't understand how they decided to take a week to do this while their brand is burning. Super weird decision.
Pure speculation but if people assumed they were exiting the hardware business it might affect share prices?

A rogue MS tweet misdirected could wipe billions off their value.
 
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Windle Poons

Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
if its only small games, it won't move the needle at all. It will be more than that imo
Quite possible they might even sneak Starfield out but is anyone out there still buying it? A couple of million sales on PS5 at £70 will bump up the profits as opposed to nobody buying it on Series X / PC because it's on Game Pass?

Doesn't mean they announce Indiana Jones / Fable / Forza Horizon etc. at the same time - they remain on Xbox until sales have dried up / died off. Then they come to other systems - so you have a choice. Those that cannot wait can play it on Series X / PC Game Pass. Those that are Sony based can wait 6+ months.
 
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Astray

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Doesn't mean they announce Indiana Jones / Fable / Forza Horizon etc. at the same time - they remain on Xbox until sales have dried up / died off. Then they come to other systems - so you have a choice. Those that cannot wait can play it on Series X / PC Game Pass. Those that are Sony based can wait 6+ months.
This strategy will crash and burn.

It's similar to what Sony is doing with PC, but what people have noticed is that the difference in sales is massive between the platforms that get a day 1 release and the later ones. Sony offsets this by actually having strong initial sales, so the small PC sales can be seen as a profit driver more than a revenue driver.

Xbox doesn't have strong sales on anything software, everyone is locking up gamepass sub with Gold conversion tricks etc, so no one will buy those games when they do come out. And then this gets filtered into the later platforms, where consumers already have a wealth of information and feedback on the game, and can even decide to pick it up on sale or just skip it entirely.

The only way Xbox's current business can make a meaningful step in profitability is if they start going to day 1 ports on both Nintendo and Sony platforms.
 

Killjoy-NL

Member
This just in


Leaker Nate the Hate was among those who reported to have heard about Starfield. However, he clarified some things in a series of tweets posted a few hours ago.

As noted above, I didn't want to report on it until a release window was finalized -- meaning plans remain open to change.

Microsoft will bring select games multiplat. That I have confidence in.

People are making wild assumptions that EVERY game is going multiplat -- which is not the case.

Nor is Microsoft going to exit the hardware industry.

The multiplat strategy is a slight shift in strategy, in which SOME titles go multiplat. MS will keep high profile games exclusive.



"Slight change" is the beginning of the end.

The end.
 

Bernoulli

M2 slut
This strategy will crash and burn.

It's similar to what Sony is doing with PC, but what people have noticed is that the difference in sales is massive between the platforms that get a day 1 release and the later ones. Sony offsets this by actually having strong initial sales, so the small PC sales can be seen as a profit driver more than a revenue driver.

Xbox doesn't have strong sales on anything software, everyone is locking up gamepass sub with Gold conversion tricks etc, so no one will buy those games when they do come out. And then this gets filtered into the later platforms, where consumers already have a wealth of information and feedback on the game, and can even decide to pick it up on sale or just skip it entirely.

The only way Xbox's current business can make a meaningful step in profitability is if they start going to day 1 ports on both Nintendo and Sony platforms.
Releasing the games months later on another platform just kills the hype and needs double the marketing
They can't do that for Switch and PlayStation
 

Elios83

Member
This just in


Leaker Nate the Hate was among those who reported to have heard about Starfield. However, he clarified some things in a series of tweets posted a few hours ago.

As noted above, I didn't want to report on it until a release window was finalized -- meaning plans remain open to change.

Microsoft will bring select games multiplat. That I have confidence in.

People are making wild assumptions that EVERY game is going multiplat -- which is not the case.

Nor is Microsoft going to exit the hardware industry.

The multiplat strategy is a slight shift in strategy, in which SOME titles go multiplat. MS will keep high profile games exclusive.




This imo is just speculation passed like insider knowledge.
What is clear is that a company that has always been super careful about PR and telling their fanbase what they wanted to hear and has reversed some unpopular decisions in less than 24h, isn't taking this kind of prolonged shitstorm just to announce that a couple of extra games will go multiplatform. This stuff could have been announced in a direct/blogpost/twitter.
I also don't believe that everything will go multiplatform with a day one release but it will be an important and meaningful change for all this situation to make sense.
 

MilkyJoe

Member
In the short run? Yes, because it takes time for individual studios to support a completely different platform when games had started life as an Xbox exclusive.

But it inevitable that all of Microsoft's biggest games will be released on other platforms in the long run. If Xbox's operational costs have become indeed unsustainable and additional revenue streams are now needed to keep the business running, what's going to bring in the most cash: releasing small games like Hi-fi Rush or the big guns that will move millions of additional copies on PS5/Switch 2? Bethesda once believed it could sell 10 million copies of Starfield on PlayStation alone. A big sales success is going to help Microsoft's bottom line much more than selling an additional 300,000 copies of Hi-Fi Rush.

It'll take time for Xbox only studios time to start supporting PS5 fully, in particular if they've been working with custom engines instead of Unreal or Unity, but when that's the case expect PS5 versions to be released day 1. MS will sell more copies with simultaneous multi-platform releases than when the PS5 version is delayed by a year. There's less hype/media attention when ports for other platforms arrive 12 months down the line, and those sales will be even worse if those games were critical failures. Starfield on PS5 from day 1 would have sold millions of copies despite the average reviews, but the same game coming out in 2025 will be seen as a late port of a failed game and sell a fraction of what it could have.

Nah, that's not inevitable at all. They are in it to make money, sure, and I am sure you'll see IP that are not MS creations on other platforms, like CoD and Indiana Jones, and all that Bethesda shit and whatever else they bought lately, to make even more money, but xbox is Microsoft and... 👇

Market Summary > Microsoft Corp
3.01 trillion USD
Market capitalisation

they could operate at the hugest of losses and it's not going to touch the sides, but as they are not operating at a loss... I think come next week the announcement will be that some Rare shit will go to Nintendo and the acquisition shit will still come to PlayStation. And honestly , who really cares?

And from this piece

According to sources, we understand that currently Microsoft are planning a launch for Starfield on PlayStation 5 post the release of the already announced “Shattered Space” expansion for Xbox and PC, which is on target to arrive at some point later this year. We’ve also been informed that Microsoft have made additional investment into PlayStation 5 dev kits to support ongoing development efforts – adding further fuel to the fire.

As the already existing rumours have suggested, the idea of bringing 1st party titles to competing console platforms marks a massive change in strategy for Microsoft and from what I understand, it’s not been without fierce internal debate on this new direction. Releasing Starfield on PlayStation 5 contradicts the original statement around exclusivity made by President of Xbox Sarah Bond, during the Xbox and Bethesda Games Studios summer showcase of 2021.

According to our sources, Microsoft senior leadership have reportedly debated the various pros and cons of releasing more of their exclusive software elsewhere, and internally, not everyone is necessarily happy with the decision, but recouping the potential money “left on the table” by releasing elsewhere has arguably won out.




More, not all. And once they recouped the losses, whose to say they won't make the franchises exclusive again?
 
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Heisenberg007

Gold Journalism
Quite possible they might even sneak Starfield out but is anyone out there still buying it? A couple of million sales on PS5 at £70 will bump up the profits as opposed to nobody buying it on Series X / PC because it's on Game Pass?

Doesn't mean they announce Indiana Jones / Fable / Forza Horizon etc. at the same time - they remain on Xbox until sales have dried up / died off. Then they come to other systems - so you have a choice. Those that cannot wait can play it on Series X / PC Game Pass. Those that are Sony based can wait 6+ months.
This strategy will crash and burn.

It's similar to what Sony is doing with PC, but what people have noticed is that the difference in sales is massive between the platforms that get a day 1 release and the later ones. Sony offsets this by actually having strong initial sales, so the small PC sales can be seen as a profit driver more than a revenue driver.

Xbox doesn't have strong sales on anything software, everyone is locking up gamepass sub with Gold conversion tricks etc, so no one will buy those games when they do come out. And then this gets filtered into the later platforms, where consumers already have a wealth of information and feedback on the game, and can even decide to pick it up on sale or just skip it entirely.

The only way Xbox's current business can make a meaningful step in profitability is if they start going to day 1 ports on both Nintendo and Sony platforms.
Yep. One important point to understand here is that even XGS games will sell more on PlayStation than they do on XGS - as long as they are good.

If Indiana Jones releases on both Xbox and PS5 the same day, where would it sell the most copies? Definitely PlayStation. And that would likely eliminate the possibility of timed exclusives.

If they are selling more copies on PlayStation than Xbox, they are not gonna release on the bigger platform months or years later.

As I said above, it'll take time. This transitionary period will not be the best representative of the future. But all of this will most likely happen once the dust settles, including day 1 on PS and Switch.
 
Thinking about it, even if they don't end up publishing every single XGS game on PS5, but only select ones in addition to Bethesda and ABK that's still going to further depress hardware sales and I wouldn't be surprised if third party games slowly stopped having Xbox versions altogether.
 

Killjoy-NL

Member
Nah, that's not inevitable at all. They are in it to make money, sure, and I am sure you'll see IP that are not MS creations on other platforms, like CoD and Indiana Jones, and all that Bethesda shit and whatever else they bought lately, to make even more money, but xbox is Microsoft and... 👇

Market Summary > Microsoft Corp
3.01 trillion USD
Market capitalisation

they could operate at the hugest of losses and it's not going to touch the sides, but as they are not operating at a loss... I think come next week the announcement will be that some Rare shit will go to Nintendo and the acquisition shit will still come to PlayStation. And honestly , who really cares?

And from this piece

According to sources, we understand that currently Microsoft are planning a launch for Starfield on PlayStation 5 post the release of the already announced “Shattered Space” expansion for Xbox and PC, which is on target to arrive at some point later this year. We’ve also been informed that Microsoft have made additional investment into PlayStation 5 dev kits to support ongoing development efforts – adding further fuel to the fire.

As the already existing rumours have suggested, the idea of bringing 1st party titles to competing console platforms marks a massive change in strategy for Microsoft and from what I understand, it’s not been without fierce internal debate on this new direction. Releasing Starfield on PlayStation 5 contradicts the original statement around exclusivity made by President of Xbox Sarah Bond, during the Xbox and Bethesda Games Studios summer showcase of 2021.

According to our sources, Microsoft senior leadership have reportedly debated the various pros and cons of releasing more of their exclusive software elsewhere, and internally, not everyone is necessarily happy with the decision, but recouping the potential money “left on the table” by releasing elsewhere has arguably won out.




More, not all.
No matter what reasoning you apply, "not all" will inevitably turn into "all".

The moment Xbox starts releasing games on Playstation, it's only a matter of time.
The safest option for consumers will be to buy a Playstation to get both Playstation and Xbox games. There will be no way around it.
 

MilkyJoe

Member
No matter what reasoning you apply, "not all" will inevitably turn into "all".

The moment Xbox starts releasing games on Playstation, it's only a matter of time.
The safest option for consumers will be to buy a Playstation to get both Playstation and Xbox games. There will be no way around it.

I know you have a lot of mental wellbeing in this being the case, but I'm sure you will be disappointed. The announcement will more than likely be a roll back on the exclusivity of recent acquisitions, and probably Sea of Thieves on Nintendo to make a few more quid before it's run it's course.
 

Zheph

Member
Quite possible they might even sneak Starfield out but is anyone out there still buying it? A couple of million sales on PS5 at £70 will bump up the profits as opposed to nobody buying it on Series X / PC because it's on Game Pass?

Doesn't mean they announce Indiana Jones / Fable / Forza Horizon etc. at the same time - they remain on Xbox until sales have dried up / died off. Then they come to other systems - so you have a choice. Those that cannot wait can play it on Series X / PC Game Pass. Those that are Sony based can wait 6+ months.
again this won't change anything to the situation the brand is at the moment. The changes will be much more important imo
 

kruis

Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
This strategy will crash and burn.

It's similar to what Sony is doing with PC, but what people have noticed is that the difference in sales is massive between the platforms that get a day 1 release and the later ones. Sony offsets this by actually having strong initial sales, so the small PC sales can be seen as a profit driver more than a revenue driver.

Xbox doesn't have strong sales on anything software, everyone is locking up gamepass sub with Gold conversion tricks etc, so no one will buy those games when they do come out. And then this gets filtered into the later platforms, where consumers already have a wealth of information and feedback on the game, and can even decide to pick it up on sale or just skip it entirely.

The only way Xbox's current business can make a meaningful step in profitability is if they start going to day 1 ports on both Nintendo and Sony platforms.

Sony has been releasing PC ports with a 12-24 months delay because a) they don't want hurt 1st party game sales on their primary platform and b) because PC revenues are seen as a nice bonus on top of the already profitable PS5 release. It's free money.

Microsoft isn't in the same position at all, they *need* those additional revenue streams so desperately they've now accepted the possibility of critically damaging the reputation of their primary platform and subsequent lower hardware/software sales/Game Pass subscriptions.
 

MilkyJoe

Member
Sony has been releasing PC ports with a 12-24 months delay because a) they don't want hurt 1st party game sales on their primary platform and b) because PC revenues are seen as a nice bonus on top of the already profitable PS5 release. It's free money.

Microsoft isn't in the same position at all, they *need* those additional revenue streams so desperately they've now accepted the possibility of critically damaging the reputation of their primary platform and subsequent lower hardware/software sales/Game Pass subscriptions.


Market Summary > Microsoft Corp
3.01 trillion USD
Market capitalisation
 

Killjoy-NL

Member
I know you have a lot of mental wellbeing in this being the case, but I'm sure you will be disappointed. The announcement will more than likely be a roll back on the exclusivity of recent acquisitions, and probably Sea of Thieves on Nintendo to make a few more quid before it's run it's course.
Don't confuse me with the Xbox shills having mental breakdowns.
I'm just joining the debate and saying it how I see it.

In the Netherlands, Xbox practically doesn't exist for years already, so even if MS keeps everything exclusive and remains a platform-holder, it wouldn't change anything.

I'm sticking to the facts.
 

MilkyJoe

Member
Don't confuse me with the Xbox shills having mental breakdowns.
I'm just joining the debate and saying it how I see it.

In the Netherlands, Xbox practically doesn't exist for years already, so even if MS keeps everything exclusive and remains a platform-holder, it wouldn't change anything.

I'm sticking to the facts.

You are too far from the facts to be stuck. MS spent 69 billion on activision, clearly someone got the memo and said "fuck that shit, keep those games on playstation they have the market share"
 

MilkyJoe

Member
Some games won't be day 1 because of the transitionary period and because their ports would have started late. Porting games takes time, e.g., Sony still hasn't been able to port 2020 games like Ghost of Tsushima, Demon's Souls, etc. You can't release all of them together either, as releases need to be spread out.

Apart from the aforementioned reasons, ALL games will be ported.

The only exceptions would be the ones that have potential license issues (e.g., Forza), human resources issues (e.g., Moon Studios may not be available for Ori anymore), or financial viability issues (e.g., Redfall not worth porting as nobody would buy it).

Bonuses, job security, studio growth, etc. are all tied to game sales and revenue. If Microsoft offers some studios (e.g., Rare and Tango) opportunities to earn more money and not others (e.g., 343i and Playground), there will be riots within XGS!

I think you have the wrong end of the stick, porting all games would tank hardware sales. The announcement will imo be a back peddle on exclusivity of 3rd party acquisitions
 

Killjoy-NL

Member
You are too far from the facts to be stuck. MS spent 69 billion on activision, clearly someone got the memo and said "fuck that shit, keep those games on playstation they have the market share"
Yes, another step in their shift to 3rd party publishing.

You're delusional if you think they can just hold out another 10 years before they can make COD Xbox exclusive and magically force the Playstation installbase to move over to Xbox.
 

DJ12

Member
Oooh shit. This reads like its an announcements from the higher ups. Phil's Bosses. They are making the decision here. Reads more like all the rumors are true if this is the case.
Phil is the higher up now, CEO of Microsoft Gaming.

Its a bit wild for Tom to poor cold water on all the twatterati saying its not going to be as bad as everyone thought.

But then does he really know anything based on his own comment.

Going to be intesting next week, but even if 2 or 3 games are going to playstation, ultimately its going to be as bad as everyone thought.

Handheld if aimed at the switch will fail bigtime, if its a rog / legion go pc handheld equivalent then it might have some value.

An expensive xbox console, which I believe is the rumour, will also never be mass market either. It will appease the hard-core warrior with money to burn, but it's not bringing back anyone that's already left for PlayStation or PC
 

MilkyJoe

Member
You have to be a clown if you seriously think they're porting rare games to switch because of some nostalgia bullshit lmao

If SoT is going to switch, it's going to PlayStation too.

I don't think that at all, I think that because Switch is more of a child's toy and SoT is the sort of game that would sell to that market
 

Bernardougf

Member
Im starting to believe it will be games people dont care about. Starfield is on the list because it was a flop. Indiana Jones will likely depend on how big it's on Xbox.
So they will choose "flopped" games or games people dont care about to spend a lot of money porting for another system and probably see the flop , flop again ?

Somehow this doesn't seem intelligent but wtf do I know.

Cant imagine ports of big games like Indiana Jones or giant ones like Starfield being cheap and easy to make ... simple games like Ori or hifi Hush ? Maybe, uut this ones are not moving any needle.
 
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MilkyJoe

Member
Today I learnt the PC is a "child's toy".

Bored Season 3 GIF by The Office
 

kruis

Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Market Summary > Microsoft Corp
3.01 trillion USD
Market capitalisation

The problem that the Microsoft Gaming division is facing is that Microsoft HQ thinks the current business model is unsustainable. The operating costs of so many studios creating exclusive games for Xbox/PC have now become enormous while at the same time console hw sales are going down , Game Pass subs are plateauing and their core audience has more or less stopped buying games. With projected costs only going up and revenues only going down, something had to change. MS HQ doesn't want to subsidize losses from their gaming division anymore, no matter how much money they've got in the bank.
 

MilkyJoe

Member
The problem that the Microsoft Gaming division is facing is that Microsoft HQ thinks the current business model is unsustainable. The operating costs of so many studios creating exclusive games for Xbox/PC have now become enormous while at the same time console hw sales are going down , Game Pass subs are plateauing and their core audience has more or less stopped buying games. With projected costs only going up and revenues only going down, something had to change. MS HQ doesn't want to subsidize losses from their gaming division anymore, no matter how much money they've got in the bank.

I'd go with it's more the cost of the acquisitions spiralled out of control and someone said no to exclusivity.
 

Bernardougf

Member
This is what I thought all along to be fair but stupid ambassador twats that sold their hardware will be begging Phil to replace them free of charge which no doubt he will.
Starfield, being a flop or not, was their flagship game for this generation, their crown jewel.. if starfield is going multiplat.. anything can go.. the rest is the usual Ms/Xbox bullshit that their fans swallow all too easy
 
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