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[Ezquimacore]

two interesting videos by "Monster Maze" explaining how Nintendo is developing new gameplay for botw 2.

Obviously time reversal is nothing new, not even new for zelda. But this video explain the difference in technology in this new patent by Nintendo compared to games like Prince of Persia and Braid, also gives a few examples on how Botw 2 will use the tech.

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This one explain how Link will be able to travel through ceilings/floors/walls. The patent gives a few example like, maybe you enter a cave and the only way out is to find the perfect spot, or maybe the only way to enter a house is through the floor.
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The third patent doesn't have a video but to me is really interesting, explain how the skyward sword free falling gameplay will be expanded to add combat and to control Link
EDIT: Added the skydiving video

I expect something similar to Just Cause 4

 

[Horatius]

neat

 

[SlimeGooGoo]

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[Ezquimacore]

Why is there a patent for that though

the patent is not for the mechanic, it's for the tech/code. You could create similar gameplay but you will have to find a way to do it from 0. Nintendo has a bunch of patents like this one.

 

[AMSCD]

Patents in video gameplay seem like they would be bad for the industry, but interesting videos none the less.

 

[Ezquimacore]

Patents in video gameplay seem like they would be bad for the industry, but interesting videos none the less.

I think is good to protect your unreleased games. But I don't think these patents last forever, for example Nintendo had the patent for the D-pad but not anymore, and that was way more important than this.

 

[AMSCD]

I think is good to protect your unreleased games. But I don't think these patents last forever, for example Nintendo had the patent for the D-pad but not anymore, and that was way more important than this.

Yes patents last 20 years. And someone can come up with a different way to do the same thing, in which case the patent won't be infringed.

 

[Hendrick's]

I've played this game before. It was called Braid.

 

[Ezquimacore]

I've played this game before. It was called Braid.

Braid's tech rewinds the whole game like prince of persia, this patent is about a mechanic that rewinds objects/enemies/components while the game keeps going. Different code, different cache and different implementation. Also you can change the object before the rewind to have a different outcome. Watch the video.

 

[Sosokrates]

In zelda I eat apple pie and cheese.

 

[bender]

Systems layered on systems that interact with one another is what I wish more studios would focus on.

 

[SlimeGooGoo]

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[IFireflyl]

The poll is missing the, "I could not care less," option.

 

[Aldric]

Those mechanics have immense potential. The phasing through stone is especially interesting, if as the first teaser implied there's indeed an entire cave network underneath Hyrule you could potentially jump off a sky island, free fall right into a cave entrance, explore underground for a while and then use the phasing mechanic to go back to the surface and back to the sky again rinse and repeat. It'd be like the climbing and parasailing loop and brilliant verticality of the first game only on a much greater scale, I don't know if they'll do something like that or if it's even possible with hardware limitations but that'd definitely justify the 5 years development time and the recycling of the map. Now I'm interested in the game again.

 

[gradient]

The poll is missing the, "I could not care less," option.

But that kind of option is pointless because in order to justify it someone would have to care enough to not only click on the thread but also to take the time to cast a vote, thereby proving that not only do they care enough to participate, they also care enough to want to be seen to claim that they don't care. It'd be nothing more than a sourpuss poser's choice.

 

[arvfab]

Can this be used to reverse weapon degradation? Or was it confirmed that they got rid of that useless mechanic?

 

[Ezquimacore]

Cam this be used to reverse weapon degradation? Or was it confirmed that they got rid of that useless mechanic?

They probably gonna add the blacksmith from Hyrule warriors or some kind of potion to make weapons last longer. They're not going to remove that completely but I'm pretty sure Nintendo knows that's the biggest complaint up there with the lack of real dungeons.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Systems layered on systems that interact with one another is what I wish more studios would focus on.

Yes this IS next gen.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Those mechanics have immense potential. The phasing through stone is especially interesting, if as the first teaser implied there's indeed an entire cave network underneath Hyrule you could potentially jump off a sky island, free fall right into a cave entrance, explore underground for a while and then use the phasing mechanic to go back to the surface and back to the sky again rinse and repeat. It'd be like the climbing and parasailing loop and brilliant verticality of the first game only on a much greater scale, I don't know if they'll do something like that or if it's even possible with hardware limitations but that'd definitely justify the 5 years development time and the recycling of the map. Now I'm interested in the game again.

Yes and to be fair with the same map they could also be able to add more life and details to the world too as there is less to reinvent in that area.

 

[TransTrender]

I still find it distressing that 'the code' written to enable this established concept can be patented.

Nintendo would only know you copied it if they have your source code or, some fucking how, you have to surrender or expose it for them to audit.

I don't know how this works, I don't know how any of this works.

 

[Ezquimacore]

I still find it distressing that 'the code' written to enable this established concept can be patented.

Nintendo would only know you copied it if they have your source code or, some fucking how, you have to surrender or expose it for them to audit.

I don't know how this works, I don't know how any of this works.

All you need to patent something like this is the money, and a different twist to the mechanics and a new code. Just a bit different. Games mostly stop time, reverse time or accelerate time. This one is reverse time on objects or elements while the time on everything else keeps going, with the possibility of changing the reversed scenario without a script.

 

[Markio128]

These things all sound great, but do they amount to fun and engaging gameplay, or frustrating pad-launching nonsense? Only time will tell. Either way, I’m really looking forward to the game.

 

[GymWolf]

Hopefully they can patent decent combat, meaningful loot, enemy variety and non-shitty boss\dungeons this time.

 

[anthony2690]

Is that a blinx the timesweeper mechanic I see?

I hated that game (I really wanted to like it back in the day)

 

[arvfab]

They probably gonna add the blacksmith from Hyrule warriors or some kind of potion to make weapons last longer. They're not going to remove that completely but I'm pretty sure Nintendo knows that's the biggest complaint up there with the lack of real dungeons.

As long as I don't have to carry duplicates of the same weapon and the weapon is not lost once it reaches 0 durability, I MIGHT be ok with it. Otherwise I will probably skip BOTW2 or wait for cheats again.

 

[Rest]

Why is there a patent for that though

How is there a patent for PS5 cover plates? Game companies are patent trolls at this point.

 

[IFireflyl]

But that kind of option is pointless because in order to justify it someone would have to care enough to not only click on the thread but also to take the time to cast a vote, thereby proving that not only do they care enough to participate, they also care enough to want to be seen to claim that they don't care. It'd be nothing more than a sourpuss poser's choice.

You're making an awful lot of assumptions. I don't care about BotW (1 or 2), but I do like polls. I want to participate in the poll, not in the pointless conversation of BotW and how overrated it will always be. I have participated in a lot of polls on NeoGAF, many of which are for things that I have no business in medling with.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Hopefully they can patent decent combat, meaningful loot, enemy variety and non-shitty boss\dungeons this time.

Agreed. Game had a lot of good things, but those could really use improvement.

Add a decent difficulty curve to the list too.

 

[Kokoloko85]

Hmmm
Now I want BOTW2 to be next Switch Gen only

 

[SpongebobSquaredance]

You're making an awful lot of assumptions. I don't care about BotW (1 or 2), but I do like polls. I want to participate in the poll, not in the pointless conversation of BotW and how overrated it will always be. I have participated in a lot of polls on NeoGAF, many of which are for things that I have no business in medling with.

 

[Aldric]

Hmmm
Now I want BOTW2 to be next Switch Gen only

It'd be stupid to make it exclusive but yeah they should do a double release on both hardwares like they did with Twilight Princess and Breath of the Wild.

 

[SantaC]

Hopefully they can patent decent combat, meaningful loot, enemy variety and non-shitty boss\dungeons this time.

Yeah the first game is overrated as fuck.

 

[K' Dash]

Yes this IS next gen.

This is what interesting to me... Nintendo pushing stuff like this with old hardware while we get this shiny amazing next gen consoles doing what we've been doing for 15+ years with nicer graphics.

 

[StateofMajora]

Why is there a patent for that though

Wish they’d make a patent for indestructible weapons :/

 

[Robb]

Thanks for the info. This game is going to be so freaking good! Can’t wait!

 

[EverydayBeast]

What Nintendo has done with Zelda is insane it’s the best mountain climbing game in the industry, what worries me is despite all these mechanics, climbing, shrines and patients I could see breath of the Wild 2 collapsing with game reviewers if they don’t follow the traditional Zelda format.

 

[StateofMajora]

Hmmm
Now I want BOTW2 to be next Switch Gen only

I mean… it looks like the Wii U game again, switch og will do just fine with it.

 

[Raven117]

We already had a link to the past. Not interested

 

[Ezquimacore]

We already had a link to the past. Not interested

Every 3D Zelda game had a "time" aspect.

Ocarina of time: 7 years mechanic
Majora's Mask: 3 days mechanic
Wind Waker: master sword sealing Hyrule in time
Twilight princess: The real temple of time
Skyward sword: Sealed Temple and Temple of Hylia
Breath of the wild: Stasis

 

[gradient]

You're making an awful lot of assumptions. I don't care about BotW (1 or 2), but I do like polls. I want to participate in the poll, not in the pointless conversation of BotW and how overrated it will always be. I have participated in a lot of polls on NeoGAF, many of which are for things that I have no business in medling with.

Clearly you could care less.

So your requested poll choice of "I could not care less" would be better and more honestly replaced with either

"I don't like this game and I NEED other people to know that I don't like this game"

or

"Participation medals have led me to click this in the hope of recognition regardless of contribution"

 

[Raven117]

Every 3D Zelda game had a "time" aspect.

Ocarina of time: 7 years mechanic
Majora's Mask: 3 days mechanic
Wind Waker: master sword sealing Hyrule in time
Twilight princess: The real temple of time
Skyward sword: Sealed Temple and Temple of Hylia
Breath of the wild: Stasis

Jokes. How do they work?

 

[Buggy Loop]

I love me some BOTW, but the through wall mechanic seems like a really mundane thing to patent? Like linear/predetermined portal? With a glowing spot, link animates as having resistance entering/exiting, that’s it? An official supported wall clipping with extra steps?

 

[Ezquimacore]

I love me some BOTW, but the through wall mechanic seems like a really mundane thing to patent? Like linear/predetermined portal? With a glowing spot, link animates as having resistance entering/exiting, that’s it? An official supported wall clipping with extra steps?

we really don't have information from Nintendo, the patent never gives you the full aspect of how they're gonna use it on gameplay. And considering the chemistry engine of breath of the wild I'm willing to bet the possibilities are going to be huge.

 

[Ezquimacore]

Jokes. How do they work?

just time shenanigans from Zelda to add gameplay lol

 

[Notabueno]

Nothing new, nothing really enjoyable in these mechanics, just adding a bit more nuance to puzzle and movement...

However the air fighting mechanics....hum, I'm intrigued.

 

[AMSCD]

I still find it distressing that 'the code' written to enable this established concept can be patented.

Nintendo would only know you copied it if they have your source code or, some fucking how, you have to surrender or expose it for them to audit.

I don't know how this works, I don't know how any of this works.

The code is protected by copyright. The invention that is manifested by the code is protected by patents.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Gameplay patents...

 

[Ezquimacore]

Gameplay patents...

Ubisoft develops games in record time, they could easily steal the shit out of this and release the next immortal fenyx rising before breath of the wild 2 lol.

 

[nkarafo]

Patents in video gameplay seem like they would be bad for the industry, but interesting videos none the less.

Fuck Sega for patenting smooth camera changes in racing games.

That's why you get instant camera toggle in all racing games instead of the smooth transition you get in Sega's Virtua Racing, for example.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Ubisoft develops games in record time, they could easily steal the shit out of this and release the next immortal fenyx rising before breath of the wild 2 lol.

Yeah I think they're enraged from the success of the mega hit Genshin and the well-received Fenyx. But still, gameplay patents? Well, it's business after all and each company should do their best to protect their inventions.