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[Draugoth]

One Multiversus player estimates that it'll take nearly two full days to unlock each new character in the Warner Bros fighting game, with premium fighters taking twice that time.

In a recent tweet, YouTuber WhyDo estimated that in order to unlock new characters past the first available fighters (several of which rotate out of use after each week), they would need to play more than 38 hours of PvP gameplay. Claiming that after 100 minutes of play (after completing challenges) they'd earned 130 points of the currency needed to buy new fighters. That might sound ok, but in the context of most new fighters costing 3,000 points, it means that at that rate, it would take more than 38 hours to unlock each new character.



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[Arsic]

There’s a shortcut via your wallet. The game is free to play. Why are people so inept at understanding this industry isn’t a fucking charity?

Edit: Plus 38-77 a character is LOW for a game you’ll spend thousands of hours in. Or well, would’ve if they hadn’t killed this game. It’ll be dead by end of year lol.

 

[CGNoire]

for a game you’ll spend thousands of hours in.

Speak only for yourself.

 

[Omnipunctual Godot]

I always liked fighting games with characters you had to unlock, but this seems extreme.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

I always liked fighting games with characters you had to unlock, but this seems extreme.

It IS extreme. Some games, you had to go through beating the game with the characters initially available, or the default roster. Unlocking different characters, as you beat the game with a new character, till there was no more to unlock, or you had to do something else. Maybe get a perfect win or two (zero damage wins).
Usually it would take a few hours to a night to do something like this. You could use in-game codes (mortal kombat) or 'secret' button presses.
30-70 hour grind for one character is overconfidence that your product is worth so much time. Time is worth more than money, IMO. You cannot get it back, once it passes.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

There’s a shortcut via your wallet. The game is free to play. Why are people so inept at understanding this industry isn’t a fucking charity?

Edit: Plus 38-77 a character is LOW for a game you’ll spend thousands of hours in. Or well, would’ve if they hadn’t killed this game. It’ll be dead by end of year lol.

Read this sentence again, with brain turned ON: "Play for 38-77 hours in-game time to unlock a single group of pixels"

Done?

There’s a shortcut via your wallet.

There always is.

 

[Miles708]

Gaming sucks.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Wrong thread.

 

[Outlier]

Sometimes, to win the game you just don't play, at all.

 

[Draugoth]

The game charges you to refill campaign lives

 

[Robb]

Love how people act like it’s fine to do whatever just because they choose to apply a f2p model to their game.

They could’ve made it p2p as well, only reason they didn’t is because they want to be able to use these scummy tactics to entice you buy more than what an actual content-complete copy would cost.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Super Smash Bros keeps winning.

 

[crackajack]

... this seems extreme.

There are certainly levels of f2p or p2w.
I tried some mobile games the last couple of days and some are just unbearable with annoying ads after every single move or fail, more ads than playing, so you either cave in or uninstall them. While a few seem fair, for free fun, and even fewer offer a time consuming but reasonably enjoyable coexistance with paying players.
The times with actually good f2p games seems to be over. On console maybe some still are fine or at least tolerable, but entire mobile is f-ed and its big and small whales are probably top priority in every board meeting.

 

[NeverYouMind]

I always liked fighting games with characters you had to unlock, but this seems extreme.

Not a fighting game.

Super Smash Bros keeps winning.

Award for dumbest unlockable character and most disgusting audience goes to... I don't believe it... Super Smash Bros.

 

[PendekarRajawali]

It’s f2p, what do you expect?

 

[lughnasadh123]

Locking characters behind a pay/time wall always rubbed me the wrong way in a F2P game especially when it's behind a really long grind that most are unlikely to stick around for. Cosmetics and fluff - sure! Things like that don't change gameplay but characters sure as hell do. What better way to keep players hooked on your game than getting new characters in their hands that they enjoy right away? It gives me even less incentive to reinstall the game to see where it's at now as someone with a real interest in the cast.

 

[diffusionx]

It IS extreme. Some games, you had to go through beating the game with the characters initially available, or the default roster. Unlocking different characters, as you beat the game with a new character, till there was no more to unlock, or you had to do something else. Maybe get a perfect win or two (zero damage wins).
Usually it would take a few hours to a night to do something like this. You could use in-game codes (mortal kombat) or 'secret' button presses.
30-70 hour grind for one character is overconfidence that your product is worth so much time. Time is worth more than money, IMO. You cannot get it back, once it passes.

Yea, but you're talking about games that you buy. This is a F2P game.

Not sure what people expect.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

I actually really like this system. It makes choosing who to unlock feel significantly more rewarding and meaningful. More games should do this (Concord?)

 

[Generic]

At least it's possible to unlock them for free. Most fighting games have characters locked behind a DLC wall.

 

[Spyxos]

I had 30 hours playtime and i think i unlocked 3-4 characters with the old system.

 

[ozz ex machina]

It's free to play? The industry is already in crisis and people are still dumb enough to whine and want devs/publishers to shoot themselves in the head even more?

Also have you ever smelled people who are into smash? The amount of free time they have cutting out on socialising and basic hygeine means those poor fucks can unlock everything in a month for free.

 

[crackajack]

I actually really like this system. It makes choosing who to unlock feel significantly more rewarding and meaningful. More games should do this (Concord?)

And after 50h of grinding you realise you don't even particularly like the chosen new character. lol
Nah, time to reward relation is certainly not even close to justifiable for me with such a required commitment. Asking the player to spend as much time as some entire game takes for single characters, just to be able to be playing the new one grinding for the next one? That's even more stupid than the reserve; shower the player with unlocks, "good job!" and all the dopamine crap to keep them happy and "engaged".

 

[Mr Moose]

That's too damn long, cut those times in half.

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

Trash WB is gonna WB

 

[Saber]

The game charges you to refill campaign lives

Typical mobile garbage tatic.

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

At least it's possible to unlock them for free. Most fighting games have characters locked behind a DLC wall.

True, but it's obvious when they design this shit that they are banking on many players eventually doing the math and deciding to find some way to pay their way to get them faster. It's an incredibly scummy design method.

 

[poppabk]

Sometimes, to win the game you just don't play, at all.

It is driving me nuts that you didn't use the Wargames quote here.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

And after 50h of grinding you realise you don't even particularly like the chosen new character. lol
Nah, time to reward relation is certainly not even close to justifiable for me with such a required commitment. Asking the player to spend as much time as some entire game takes for single characters, just to be able to be playing the new one grinding for the next one? That's even more stupid than the reserve; shower the player with unlocks, "good job!" and all the dopamine crap to keep them happy and "engaged".

It's sports, which humanity around the globe loves. Build your roster through signings. Signings based on research you've done. It's pretty easy to see which characters you'll click with after 40 hrs of play.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Yea, but you're talking about games that you buy. This is a F2P game.

Not sure what people expect.

True, but still. Heck, I even feel some regret over how much gaming I've done throughout my own life, lol.

 

[Fake]

Good luck with your garbage.

 

[LordBlodgett]

This is what you get with free to play. Not sure what you expect?

 

[LegendOfKage]

And after 50h of grinding you realise you don't even particularly like the chosen new character. lol
Nah, time to reward relation is certainly not even close to justifiable for me with such a required commitment. Asking the player to spend as much time as some entire game takes for single characters, just to be able to be playing the new one grinding for the next one? That's even more stupid than the reserve; shower the player with unlocks, "good job!" and all the dopamine crap to keep them happy and "engaged".

I grinded the "beta" for hours to earn enough gold to purchase about four characters, but I only bought one of them, because I wanted to see where things would end up in terms of balance when they stopped nerfing and buffing all the characters. Upon coming back to the game, I found that all my gold was replaced with a currency that can only be used to buy cosmetics, and that a new "fighter" unlock currency was introduced.

Yeah, they gave returning players the battlepass, but I still feel I'm owed the characters I earned. Between that and the absurd grind they created here, I'm done.

 

[Griffon]

Oh no. Another F2P game is using scummy tactics to make you pay?!
I would never have guessed.


(just buy Smash or something else, let F2Ps be where they belong: in the trash)

 

[nikos]

People complain when games are too expensive.
-Games go F2P.

People complain when they have to pay to unlock something.
-Option is given to unlock by playing game.

People complain when they have to earn something by playing the game.
-Publishers revert to one of the two above options and repeat.

That amount of time is pretty excessive though. I'd imagine it will eventually be reduced. From what I'm reading, a character costs ~$10 which isn't too bad, especially if you can trial them first.

Fighting games, and games in general, have changed. It isn't really viable to own everything available anymore. Especially in multiplayer games that are continuously supported.

 

[Bert Big Balls]

Oh no

I don't care about this