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[NinjaBoiX]

The gall of these guys. They force the issue in the first place, then go crying to teacher when they inevitably see profits tumble.

“We want the court to give us preferential treatment while you decide if we can force Apple to give us preferential treatment.”

This says it all really, from the Eurogamer article:

In a letter dated 10th July 2020 and included in Epic's filing, Douglas G. Vetter, Vice President & Associate General Counsel for Apple said: "Surely Epic must understand that Apple is entitled to a return on its investment and the use of its property. After all, Epic takes great pains to protect its own investments and intellectual property.

"Yet somehow, you believe Apple has no right to do the same, and want all the benefits Apple and the App Store provide without having to pay a penny. Apple cannot bow to that unreasonable demand."

 

[Esca]

lmao

 

[Mistershine.]

Why don't epic just make a browser based version, or add a 30‰ apple tax to their MTX prices?

 

[ReBurn]

I kinda want to see Epic win. Just for the drama.

 

[//DEVIL//]

I kinda want to see Epic win. Just for the drama.

They won’t . Not in a million years. Not because it’s apple. But because they don’t have a ground .

 

[Ar¢tos]

I wonder this mess turned out much much bigger than what Epic was planning.

What's happening on the Google side?
I only see news/threads being made about the apple side.

 

[kretos]

70% > 0%

cowards

 

[ReBurn]

They won’t . Not in a million year . Not because it’s apple. But because they don’t have a ground .

They're trying to make the monopoly/antitrust argument. From a certain point of view they do have grounds. Apple not allowing customers a choice of where and how to purchase content for devices they own is a legit argument. Companies have had contracts invalidated by courts before. Companies have been forced to allow competition on their platforms. Apple's App Store has reached economy of scale and the piles of cash they are hoarding from it will work against them in the end. It might not be this case. But it will happen one day.

 

[cormack12]

You lose the optics if you have to run back like a hungry dog. Surely Epic would have know this and put it in their #costOfMakingAStand

 

[Bodomism]

Seriously does anyone believe in the biggest liar like Tim Sweeney?

 

[Revreign]

I wonder this mess turned out much much bigger than what Epic was planning.

What's happening on the Google side?
I only see news/threads being made about the apple side.

I don't see anything really happening on the Google side since Android allows side loading apps. Google can just say "We won't put it in our store but you can still install it on your own" and be clear of any trouble.

 

[Same ol G]

Epic is a joke, you should read their latest complain.

Read Epic’s new, full argument why a court should force Apple to reinstate Fortnite

We’ll see if the judge is swayed on September 28th

www.google.com

They are complaining that their own decision cost them 60% of ios users, you can't make this shit up.

From the article.
But in the new filing, Epic argues that more than its reputation has been harmed: “Daily active users on iOS have declined by over 60% since Fortnite’s removal from the App Store,” Epic claims.

 

[Same ol G]

 

[Same ol G]

See post above.

 

[Raonak]

Lmfao
Epic looking more and more embarrassing by the day.

 

[Abriael_GN]

The gall of these guys. They force the issue in the first place, then go crying to teacher when they inevitably see profits tumble.

“We want the court to give us preferential treatment while you decide if we can force Apple to give us preferential treatment.”

This says it all really, from the Eurogamer article:

In a letter dated 10th July 2020 and included in Epic's filing, Douglas G. Vetter, Vice President & Associate General Counsel for Apple said: "Surely Epic must understand that Apple is entitled to a return on its investment and the use of its property. After all, Epic takes great pains to protect its own investments and intellectual property.

"Yet somehow, you believe Apple has no right to do the same, and want all the benefits Apple and the App Store provide without having to pay a penny. Apple cannot bow to that unreasonable demand."

Imagine actually siding with Apple in a dispute that could result in the actual developers of the games making more money out of their creations instead of having to fatten Apple's coffers as much as they do now.

 

[PaintTinJr]

Imagine if Apple wins this argument and the very next day Microsoft and Google decide to lock Windows and Android in the same way.

In a world of such terrible wealth distribution and wealth unbalance, I wonder if backing those that have less wealth(the US people) than Apple, a $2 trillion dollar company (concentrated wealth, less competition and employment, etc) is a vote winner in the US at the moment.

The US have broken up such giants in the past and forced more competition in lesser situations than this, so will be interesting to see if they've changed their .

 

[makemehappyagain]

Someone give this its own tread.
When IntelHD owners hear about Nvidia Ampere RTX 3000 Series Launch

 

[pasterpl]

Imagine actually siding with Apple in a dispute that could result in the actual developers of the games making more money out of their creations instead of having to fatten Apple's coffers as much as they do now.

next Epic will sue sony to have epic games store as an alternative store on PlayStation consoles so that Sony cannot get the cut, because it is unfair that epic have to pay Sony. Imagine siding with Sony in that argument. (Replace Sony with any platform holder name)

/s

Imagine if Apple wins this argument and the very next day Microsoft and Google decide to lock Windows and Android in the same way.

In a world of such terrible wealth distribution and wealth unbalance, I wonder if backing those that have less wealth(the US people) than Apple, a $2 trillion dollar company (concentrated wealth, less competition and employment, etc) is a vote winner in the US at the moment.

The US have broken up such giants in the past and forced more competition in lesser situations than this, so will be interesting to see if they've changed their .

but isn’t google doing exactly the same thing? Unless you side load Apk files you are forced to use google play store where google takes a cut, same as Apple.

 

[demigod]

Who didn’t see this coming? Their bottom line is hurting and they know they fucked up. Goodluck getting back on the app store, shitbags.

 

[LeftThumbstick]

Imagine actually siding with Apple in a dispute that could result in the actual developers of the games making more money out of their creations instead of having to fatten Apple's coffers as much as they do now.

That’s because most of us function normally valuing logic over your hurt feelings towards corporations.

If you feel so bad about how much developers make, then feel free to create your own store and ecosystem for them instead of being passive aggressive to other forum users.

 

[Skifi28]

Not sure what outcome epic was expecting and why. They could have asked any random person on the internet and they would tell them it would end badly, but somehow they thought different.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

I want to cheer for Epic but they lost the moment they just didn't abandon Apple rather then beg.

 

[Aidah]

Fuck them both.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

It's a ploy. Epic want to cause as much shit as possible, throw as much at the wall and see what sticks, all while doing the old kansas shuffle.

Apple are in the wrong, big time and they won't win this. Even if they do, the aftermath will change the marketplace.

 

[PaintTinJr]

next Epic will sue sony to have epic games store as an alternative store on PlayStation consoles so that Sony cannot get the cut, because it is unfair that epic have to pay Sony. Imagine siding with Sony in that argument. (Replace Sony with any platform holder name)

/s



but isn’t google doing exactly the same thing? Unless you side load Apk files you are forced to use google play store where google takes a cut, same as Apple.

You'd have to make separate anti-trust arguments for each that match their current power/influence situation against claimed capitalist and societal benefits you would get from acting against that company's current actions.

It is easy to see iOS would be a better option for general computing - in sectors such as government, hospitals, schools, assisted learning and gaming, to name a few.

I would also point out that Android's sideloading isn't good, but making the argument against that is different and harder IMHO

 

[Cunth]

epic are embarrassing

 

[Andodalf]

They're trying to make the monopoly/antitrust argument. From a certain point of view they do have grounds. Apple not allowing customers a choice of where and how to purchase content for devices they own is a legit argument. Companies have had contracts invalidated by courts before. Companies have been forced to allow competition on their platforms. Apple's App Store has reached economy of scale and the piles of cash they are hoarding from it will work against them in the end. It might not be this case. But it will happen one day.

Exactly. People in this thread are idiots. Epic knew exactly what would happened, and what has happened exactly proves their antitrust arguments. You idiots are laughing at Epic for proving their point. Epic isn’t complaining about losing players, it’s showing how Apple is anti competitive, now with hard data.

 

[FStubbs]

I wonder this mess turned out much much bigger than what Epic was planning.

What's happening on the Google side?
I only see news/threads being made about the apple side.

You'd have to make separate anti-trust arguments for each that match their current power/influence situation against claimed capitalist and societal benefits you would get from acting against that company's current actions.

It is easy to see iOS would be a better option for general computing - in sectors such as government, hospitals, schools, assisted learning and gaming, to name a few.

I would also point out that Android's sideloading isn't good, but making the argument against that is different and harder IMHO

I can't see where they'd have a case on the Google side. Tencent is free to put Epic Game Store on Android and sell from there. Sideloading is perfectly legitimate - an Android user could bypass Google entirely and buy their MTX directly from Tencent through EGS. No court would argue against this IMO.

 

[LordCBH]

Tim Sweeney’s temper tantrum continues.

 

[Mistershine.]

I wonder this mess turned out much much bigger than what Epic was planning.

What's happening on the Google side?
I only see news/threads being made about the apple side.

You can't get it from the Google store, you have to get it from epic.

 

[//DEVIL//]

They're trying to make the monopoly/antitrust argument. From a certain point of view they do have grounds. Apple not allowing customers a choice of where and how to purchase content for devices they own is a legit argument. Companies have had contracts invalidated by courts before. Companies have been forced to allow competition on their platforms. Apple's App Store has reached economy of scale and the piles of cash they are hoarding from it will work against them in the end. It might not be this case. But it will happen one day.

I would like to be stand corrected. which company before was forced to allow competition on thier platform ?

 

[Hendrick's]

When is the Unreal phone coming out?

 

[Drewpee]

I kinda want to see Epic win. Just for the drama.

I don't, their approach to the situation was shady and broke the agreement they had with Apple.

I'm not a fan of Apple but I think they are correct in this case.

 

[gamerguywashere]

I'm not picking sides. I can't think of many giant companies I care less about.


...but why pick a fight you can't win?...unless you're just trying to garner sympathy.


I do kinda love seeing greed come back to bite epic in the ass.


Now we get to watch these two assholes nickel and dime each other in court like they've both been doing to consumers. Fuck them both lol.

 

[Arkam]

When is the Unreal phone coming out?

It WAS going to be a 5G Huawei.... but we see how that turned out.

 

[BlackTron]

But in the new filing, Epic argues that more than its reputation has been harmed: “Daily active users on iOS have declined by over 60% since Fortnite’s removal from the App Store,” Epic claims.

I was in a bad mood from the lame Mario collection.

But now my Sunday is going great.

 

[gamerguywashere]

But now my Sunday is going great.

tell me about it, im in an abusive relationship with demon souls, and covid is only making it worse

 

[BlackTron]

tell me about it, im in an abusive relationship with demon souls, and covid is only making it worse

There is no healthy loving relationship with anything called "demon souls"

Edit: and that's how you like it.

 

[Three]

Why don't epic just make a browser based version, or add a 30‰ apple tax to their MTX prices?

The apple tax is there. They were removed from the app store for providing a way for the consumer to save 20% by not paying the Apple tax.

 

[cyberheater]

Someone high up at Epic made a huge mistake and their ego is preventing them from backing down. Keep digging Epic.

 

[michaelius]

I kinda want to see Epic win. Just for the drama.

No thx - the faster Epic is cut off from Fortnite money the better- they will have to compete on customer satisfaction then instead of just trying to force people into their store with paid for exclusivity.

 

[ethomaz]

I think these 60% users should sue Epic.

 

[SportsFan581]

It is easy to see iOS would be a better option for general computing - in sectors such as government, hospitals, schools, assisted learning and gaming, to name a few.

Apple has a compelling argument regarding security and subsequent loss of value to all of these sectors.

People are kidding themselves if they don't think Epic would spin this around toward other platforms in a heartbeat following a win. IOS isn't even the dominant mobile OS by a large margin, if Apple is so bad to its consumers (and they are so unhappy with these practices) they can get an Android. Same for devs, don't like the rules? Then, don't participate in the game.

 

[Sakura]

I can't see them getting an injunction, because Epic is the one preventing the app from going back on the store. Apple has already said they'd put it back if they removed the Apple-bypassing payment option.

 

[MrS]

Apple are in the wrong, big time and they won't win this. Even if they do, the aftermath will change the marketplace.

Nope.

 

[Cert.in.Death]

Injunctive relief is rarely if ever granted and this doesn’t strike me as an instance that a judge would be willing to extend protection. What’s the problem with Epic being asked to comply in the interim while the issue is litigated, particularly in light of the fact that they instigated this response? A judge may go so far as to grant and deny in part, allowing the app be reinstated but without alternative avenues that bypass the App Store.

The real play for requesting an injunction is to force Apple to publicly defend their policies. It’s all about publicity, not substance, at least at this stage.

 

[cyberheater]

Apple are in the wrong, big time and they won't win this. Even if they do, the aftermath will change the marketplace.

Explain how Apple are in the wrong. It’s their store, their rules.

 

[NinjaBoiX]

Apple didn’t hoodwink them into signing an agreement, they didn’t change the rules after the fact, they didn’t purposely mislead with confusing language. They played the game absolutely fairly, even if their rules aren't as agreeable as people would like.

But you know what? Don’t play the game if you don’t like the rules. Or better yet, ask that they look at and change said rules BEFORE you pull on a shirt if you’re so concerned with the greater good.

People are kidding themselves if they don't think Epic would spin this around toward other platforms in a heartbeat following a win. IOS isn't even the dominant mobile OS by a large margin, if Apple is so bad to its consumers (and they are so unhappy with these practices) they can get an Android. Same for devs, don't like the rules? Then, don't participate in the game.

EXACTLY!

 

[dorkimoe]

They brought it on themselves. All they had to do was follow the rules and then create a lawsuit while the app still followed the rules making money while they waited. But no they tried to prove some point and lol