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Europe game sales 2024: dragon age TV, SW Outlaws, FF7 rebirth - all out of top 30
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Palworld and Black Myth Wukong don't share data
LordOcidax
Member
But Gaf told me that i was wrong about Rebirth sales 
Schmendrick
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LordOcidax
Member
SE needs to make FF great again (Turn based)
XXL
Member
The game is on almost every single GOTY nomination list, fan voted or media voted.
GTFO of here with that nonsense.
SkylineRKR
Member
I liked it during the first 10 or so hours, but I ended up being glad it was over. The sandbox design is fucking atrocious and I had my fill after the Grasslands. And the payoff just isn't there. Its not a full story. I hope the third game bombs. Because this idea of cutting a classic into 3 drawn out parts is just shit.
Schmendrick
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LordOcidax
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DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Concord was robbed.
SkylineRKR
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Bojji
Member
I played it for quite some time:
It's good overall (amazing at some moments and bad at others) but lets say that I'm glad I had physical version (and recovered most of money), haha.
Sony was robbed by Concord.
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LordOcidax
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Fixed for you, i just hope that SE don’t hear the “fans”
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Hero_Select
Member
So you ignore one metric in favor of another. Makes perfect sense.
There's plenty of games that the "masses voted with their wallets" and undersold despite them being excellent. Your take is stupid and you should feel bad.
I don't know what surprised them so much when even the publishers of these games wrote that all these games did not live up to expectations and did not pay off. Well, maybe Bioware did not do it openly, they simply refused to name the sales figures, but it's understandable anyway.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Ff7 is the outlier here. I thought the game full of mini games was absolutely retarded and the characters all talked like little kids. The combat was good but the open world design was worse than Ubisoft. Good to see people didn’t make it a success but they will learn and tone it down for the sequel.
SkylineRKR
Member
But Gaf told me that i was wrong about Rebirth sales
Yeah and I wouldn't be surprised part 3 will have a cut down budget. Which is good news as it perhaps means less useless mini games and less useless checklist open world design (which honestly, was of -early- Ubisoft quality here). And perhaps less bullshit dialogue.
Maybe they pull a Lightning Returns. For what its worth, Lightning Returns was easily the best of the XIII trilogy imo, and its because it was made on a budget. Its a rather focused and short game, and I enjoyed it a fuck ton. I can recommend it on either Xbox or PC.
CitizenKratos
Member
I guess Rebirth not being in the top 30 isn't too bad considering it's almost a year old.
Fake
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Hawk The Slayer
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Rebirth honestly deserves to be a way better. Good to see Space Marine 2 doing well though. Over 5 million copies only around 2 months after release.
My problem with the FF7 remakes is that if we take the original game, it can be completed in about 35 hours or 45 hours if you do some of the side quests, and of course if you do everything, you can stretch it out to 80. But in fact, it was a 40-hour game, and these 40 hours were planned and described well, although even then they were criticized a little for the protracted nature of some moments in the plot.
The first remake is about 35 hours long, and that's if you just run through it without getting distracted by side quests and mini-games. Rebirth is another 50 hours on top, again without side quests. So, as I understand it, by the time the 3rd game comes out, the original can be completed 3 or 4 times during the time that the remakes last. Well, that's about their bloat, and I don't even want to touch on the rewrites and changes in the plot and other things.
We had a 40-hour game, now there will be 3 remakes for 120h, of course I understand that Squire just wanted to collect money 3 times from a poor 40-hour game by stretching it by the balls to 120 hours, it's good that in the end the plan didn't work out. And I hope that they will do a good remake of FF9, Nomura was also going to chop it into pieces...
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jrpgs have been performing particularly poorly in the UK, ff7rebirth isn't the titan Square Enix wants it to be I'm sure, but it isn't the trainwreck the UK sales imply it to be eitherBut Gaf told me that i was wrong about Rebirth sales
XXL
Member
Well I guess we'll see what happens when it releases on PC.
Because I think part of the negativity surrounding this game is based on it only being available on PS5 at the moment.
LectureMaster
Gold Member
In the reply they said they don't have data for Wukong.
Fake
Gold Member
Wukong is a new IP, not a established franchise.
LordOcidax
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SkylineRKR
Member
On top of all this, you're being reset to level 1 each time. You'll have to grind to unlock Firaga yet again. And in the next game yet again. You bested ultra powerful enemies in Remake, and in Rebirth you start off weaksauce again with only your base weapon and no perks. Narrative wise it just doesn't work.
To be honest, I really can't imagine playing all 3 in succession once the trilogy is completed. They are so fucking bloated this has to be hilariously terrible.
Really, Square could've saved all the hassle and just HD-2D FFVII instead. What they did to SO2 and DQ3 is just perfect.
LectureMaster
Gold Member
Yes, my point is Wukong is a good game and probably isn't struggling. But they didn't submit data so we don't know.
Fake
Gold Member
I'm using his full quotation. Astro Bot and Wukong are new IPs, so is out of his quote.
But he put Dragon Age as a 'good game from a established franchise', so thats my point. He is like putting one true phrase (established franchise) between other very subjective (good game) in bad faith. Its a very dirty tatic people from Twitter sometimes use.
Somehow he is trying to promote Dragon Age as a good game in a subliminal way.
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LordOcidax
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I just hope that they don't make FF9R a mediocre hack and slash game that nobody wants.
SweetTooth
Gold Member
So Dring is not sharing HW data no more? Switch must have fallen hard for him to be quiet.
Synastry
Member
Its not the switch numbers his trying to protect since its Europe its doing alot worst then in the UK.
ZehDon
Member
Gamers just aren’t interested in the AAA slop being shoveled out. And it’ll get worse long before it gets any better.
We’re just seeing the end products of development cycles that started five years ago. The developers can’t really course correct once they’re into production, meaning we’ve got at least another year or two of this. I expect a few publishers and developers will simply not survive before they’re able to start making games people actually wanna play again.
We’re just seeing the end products of development cycles that started five years ago. The developers can’t really course correct once they’re into production, meaning we’ve got at least another year or two of this. I expect a few publishers and developers will simply not survive before they’re able to start making games people actually wanna play again.
XXL
Member
Most of the top 10 is literally AAA slop that is literally shoveled out.
And "gamers" are in here celebrating that FF7R underperformed in the EU.
Make it make sense.
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Horseganador
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December 21st and we still don't know the console sales in Europe...The desire for FF7 Rebirth to be a failure from the second it was announced only for PS5 is absurd, a game with a 92 on metacritic and here I am reading that it is a bad game...OK
Topher
Identifies as young
I mean....there are plenty of metrics out there one could use to say Veilguard is a "good" game. Metacritic, Steam user reviews, etc. Could be he played it and that's what he thinks. Either way, Dring describing Veilguard as a "good" game is hardly controversial.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I doubt it does all that well on PC. FF is one of the biggest franchises around, Rebirth was well-received by critics and seemingly by fans, yet the sales are middling. I think the biggest culprit is the game being part of a wider trilogy. A lot of people just don't care to play them piece-by-piece and just want the story line to be complete before jumping in. Other are older fans who aren't happy a single 50-hour game has been stretched over 3 titles, a decade, and 150+ hours. I know at least two people who didn't care for Rebirth after playing Remake because they called it padded to hell. 1-hour sections got stretched to over 10. It also doesn't look like they learned their lesson with Rebirth because it's apparently chock-full of mini-games.Well I guess we'll see what happens when it releases on PC.
Because I think part of the negativity surrounding this game is based on it only being available on PS5 at the moment.
An actual remake of FF VII would have outsold all games individually, but perhaps not the entire trilogy.
Unknown Soldier
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No one should be surprised that fans of the single 40-80 hours game Final Fantasy VII aren't interested in a 3 game excessively drawn out filler stuffed trilogy that takes a 40 hour story and tries to make it 400 hours
The Remake Trilogy is like The Hobbit film trilogy of games. Everyone likes The Hobbit but nobody wanted a time wasting 3 movies about a really short book
Stuart360
Member
Is it though really anymore?. Pretty sure all the games since, and including, FF15 have underperformed.
FF used to be a major franchise, and it was an 'event' when we got a new FF. It hasnt really been like that for years though.
Radical_3d
Member
The problem with Rebirth’s sales is how incredibly bad Remake is. I have the collector’s edition because I’m a nostalgic fan, but after playing the first aberration I can’t blame anyone on passing on this. And the press as always is as critic as a rabid fan.
Woopah
Member
Why are you saying this again? Chris has been reporting declining Switch sales for three years.
SweetTooth
Gold Member
So .. has he shared any HW data this month?
Zacfoldor
Member
Sad for rebirth, but this proves my theory that current game pays for what the last game did. Even if Intergalatic is shit, ND won’t pay till the next game.
There is a delay in public recognition for bad game development. It lasts one game cycle.
For rebirth, because remake was so full of filler and boring, people did not buy rebirth. That is a shame because rebirth is way, way better than remake, though it still has plenty of filler in the story sections.
There is a delay in public recognition for bad game development. It lasts one game cycle.
For rebirth, because remake was so full of filler and boring, people did not buy rebirth. That is a shame because rebirth is way, way better than remake, though it still has plenty of filler in the story sections.
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