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If you ever wonder why always online single player sucks, check out Space Marine 2!

DryvBy

DryvBy

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This game is an absolute blast to play. Gory violence, the combat is fun, the graphics are great. And while I knew the game had always online, I ignored myself and bought it anyway.

Last night I was playing, but I needed to take a dad break. I put the game into rest mode until I could return. I came back, finished up the mission, and went back into rest mode. When I loaded it this morning, I had to pause for another dad reason. I noticed it said I was in offline mode (save progress doesn't work). I quit to the menu, came back in and I'm back to where I was during the first rest mode last night. Progress lost and I hate replaying content I've just played due to stupid stuff like this.

Thanks to whichever moron in this industry decided single player content should be online too.
 
StereoVsn

StereoVsn

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Yep, always online SP games suck for great variety of reasons. From having to deal with sometimes unreliable Internet to dev/publisher servers to preservation issues down the road, it’s completely unnecessary.

If they want to have characters that are separate for MP which would be always online and SP that is fine, but need to have they offline SP option.

For me, always online SP game usually means I would never get it at release and only on very heavy sales months or years later if at all.
 
The Cockatrice

The Cockatrice

I'm retarded?
DryvBy said:
This is the point of rest mode. Don't come in here with a superior attitude when you're an actual moron.
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You fucked up, but you blame the service. Common sense eludes you. The fact that the game is online-only has nothing to do with your mistake nor am I defending single-player games in general having online-only(its not a singleplayer-only game tho and its built with online/coop features in mind which you should've known).
 
Giallo Corsa

Giallo Corsa

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That ain't the worst part about SM2 - the LONGGG loading times is what really pisses me off :
Start the game -- get booted to the main menu -- press on play -- game loads for 35-40 seconds -- try to find a lobby, lobby found -- another 35 seconds loading screen -- start playing -- host for whatever reason drops -- game loads for 35 seconds back to the lobby menu - rinse and repeat...

It's one of the worst games right now when it comes to loading and I don't get it, shit, it feels like being back during the PS3/PS4 era with the mechanical drives, i still have PTSD from RDR2 and GTAV to name a few.

Meanwhile, WH: Darktide's loading is pretty normal.for.an online game 🤔
 
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Darkmakaimura

Darkmakaimura

Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Oh no I never realized this game was always online requirement. Not really sucks to an otherwise great game.

I guess that's why we don't see it on GOG for one reason. Yes, for those who don't know, the original game is available on GOG.

www.gog.com

Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine

Discover the grim dark universes of Warhammer where there is only war. From Warhammer 40
www.gog.com www.gog.com

And bonus, it's available for $10 right now.

Always buy DRM free when you have the choice.
 
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nkarafo

nkarafo

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Giallo Corsa said:
That ain't the worst part about SM2 - the LONGGG loading times is what really pisses me off :
Start the game -- get booted to the main menu -- press on play -- game loads for 35-40 seconds -- try to find a lobby, lobby found -- another 35 seconds loading screen -- start playing -- host for whatever reason drops -- game loads for 35 seconds back to the lobby menu - rinse and repeat...

It's one of the worst games right now when it comes to loading and I don't get it, shit, it feels like being back during the PS3/PS4 era with the mechanical drives, i still have PTSD from RDR2 and GTAV to name a few.

Meanwhile, WH: Darktide's loading is pretty normal.for.an online game 🤔
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Why bother with all that crap and don't just play in offline mode with bots?
 
intbal

intbal

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I didn't know this had an online requirement for single player.

Is it safe to assume, then, that Quick Resume for Xbox doesn't work in this title?
 
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strike670

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cormack12 said:
Dude, you're now officially disabled. Another contestant enters the oppression olympics

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As a parent this is ridiculous bullshit. When you have a child you have an obligation to care and raise that child, it's called being a parent. Having to care for your child which interferes with your ability to do leisure entertainment activity such as gaming is not a disability. What a bunch of self indulgent bullshit. This sounds like something made up in a corporate office by a bunch of self centered pricks, who value your game time to generate profit.
 
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adamsapple

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Online connection for single player mode sucks, yes.

But we're far enough in the generation that you should know that using Rest / Quick Resume mode for games that require persistent online checks is not a good idea DryvBy DryvBy .
 
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DryvBy

DryvBy

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The Cockatrice said:
You fucked up, but you blame the service. Common sense eludes you. The fact that the game is online-only has nothing to do with your mistake nor am I defending single-player games in general having online-only(its not a singleplayer-only game tho and its built with online/coop features in mind which you should've known).
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I think we're finding out the answer here to this question.

The game has the ability to be co-op, but much like Gears of War and several other co-op shooters and games, you can play offline with bots. Similar to how I'm playing this game. Its weird, you're trying to paint the picture that this is just normal for a co-op game and there's some majestic reasoning for online because it's co-op, yet I'm able to pause the game. Tell me, what's the last game you just paused online games?

This is a single player game with co-op as an option, and a single player game that forces online connection for no real reason.
 
The Cockatrice

The Cockatrice

I'm retarded?
DryvBy said:
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I think we're finding out the answer here to this question.

The game has the ability to be co-op, but much like Gears of War and several other co-op shooters and games, you can play offline with bots. Similar to how I'm playing this game. Its weird, you're trying to paint the picture that this is just normal for a co-op game and there's some majestic reasoning for online because it's co-op, yet I'm able to pause the game. Tell me, what's the last game you just paused online games?

This is a single player game with co-op as an option, and a single player game that forces online connection for no real reason.
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No, its not a singleplayer game with optional coop. It's an online singleplayer with online features. Hitman is also similar. They are extremely rare, and not a massive issue in the industry. Also the game saves locally so the fact that you put the game in rest before the game actually saved, means you made a mistake. Also the fact that you're resorting to insults enforces my point even more just like a child would when they cant admit they're wrong.
 
Topher

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adamsapple said:
Online connection for single player mode sucks, yes.

But we're far enough in the generation that you should know that using Rest / Quick Resume mode for games that require persistent online checks is not a good idea DryvBy DryvBy .
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The game should be smart enough to figure out if someone is playing strictly single player or coop or multiplayer. No reason for a guy playing strictly single player to lose progress. And for most single player gamers, the issues with rest mode are not going to be obvious when it is used regularly in every other single player game. So disagree with blaming the gamer here
 
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Skifi28

Skifi28

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I tried the Test Drive demo yesterday and it was an exercise in frustration. Not only was there a long queue to play the single player, I had to create my character 5 times before I stopped getting timeout errors and then it would constantly kick me from single player races due to server issues. They only thing they managed is not getting any money from me.
 
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Wildebeest

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People gave this game too many free passes because of the adolescent ultramarine stuff and a drought of games. The single player design was heavily compromised by the fact it was a repurposed coop game and in several ways it wasn't as cleanly designed as the original Space Marine game which was a solid 7/10 AA game.
 
hououinkyouma00

hououinkyouma00

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The Cockatrice said:
You put the game in rest mode instead of quitting and saving properly. Seems like a you issue not an online issue. Servers sometimes go offline for maintenance. It's also a coop game not a pure singleplayer game.
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The Cockatrice said:
You fucked up, but you blame the service. Common sense eludes you. The fact that the game is online-only has nothing to do with your mistake nor am I defending single-player games in general having online-only(its not a singleplayer-only game tho and its built with online/coop features in mind which you should've known).
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Living up to your title huh
 
KingdomHeartsFan

KingdomHeartsFan

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I don't understand, this isn't an always online game? The campaign is 100% completable offline.

www.doesitplay.org

Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine II (PS5) - Base PS5 (ESRB - Standard)

Test Notes: * Runs at 30 FPS. During heavy combat the framerate will drop. * Performance mode is not included on disc. * Minor shadow pop in observed. * Observed NPC disappear when an elevator started to ascend. * Observed parts of enemies floating in air. * Minor environment pop in after...
www.doesitplay.org www.doesitplay.org

Edit: Oh it looks like Operations mode has separate saves for offline and online play.
 
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Firestartah

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Am I the only one that prefers the combat in SM1 over SM2? I love both games, the cinematic moments in SM2 are crazy, but the combat is so and so for me, it is much more melee oriented than the first and parry fest on higher difficulties. I feel like it was more balanced in the first.
 
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adamsapple

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
KingdomHeartsFan said:
I don't understand, this isn't an always online game? The campaign is 100% completable offline.

www.doesitplay.org

Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine II (PS5) - Base PS5 (ESRB - Standard)

Test Notes: * Runs at 30 FPS. During heavy combat the framerate will drop. * Performance mode is not included on disc. * Minor shadow pop in observed. * Observed NPC disappear when an elevator started to ascend. * Observed parts of enemies floating in air. * Minor environment pop in after...
www.doesitplay.org www.doesitplay.org

Edit: Oh it looks like Operations mode has separate saves for offline and online play.
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You know what .. yeah, even the official website and FAQ says it can be played offline. The campaign at least.


Q: Will my progression be saved when playing offline?

A: Be reassured, in Campaign Mode, your progression will be saved on PC, PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X|S while playing offline.
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sachos

sachos

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Interesting, checked out DoesItPlay analysis of the disc https://www.doesitplay.org/game/War... II/ps5/Base PS5?region=ESRB&version=Standard and they say the following

* When playing Operations mode offline progress will track. However the game says when you go online that progress will be reset.

Content Completed:

* Campaign completed.

* All Operation missions complete.

So it seems that you may have gone online at the last moment and it reset your progress or something?
 
StereoVsn

StereoVsn

Gold Member
sachos said:
Interesting, checked out DoesItPlay analysis of the disc https://www.doesitplay.org/game/Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine II/ps5/Base PS5?region=ESRB&version=Standard and they say the following

* When playing Operations mode offline progress will track. However the game says when you go online that progress will be reset.

Content Completed:

* Campaign completed.

* All Operation missions complete.

So it seems that you may have gone online at the last moment and it reset your progress or something?
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This is super dumb if they do that. There should be an option to have a separate offline save if a user chooses that.
 
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YuLY said:
Am I the only one that prefers the combat in SM1 over SM2? I love both games, the cinematic moments in SM2 are crazy, but the combat is so and so for me, it is much more melee oriented than the first and parry fest on higher difficulties. I feel like it was more balanced in the first.
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Space Marine 2’s gameplay is 6/10 material. Attacks don’t have weight, parrying is inconsistent, weapon variety is lacking, the list goes on. I regret having spent $70 on it. Wish they had devoted less time on visual spectacle and more on polishing up the gameplay because they were so close to greatness.
 
Danjin44

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DryvBy said:
Thanks to whichever moron in this industry decided single player content should be online too.
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I don’t understand why some devs do this, even game like Monster Hunter World lets you play the game completely offline and even you are online and if your network suddenly gets cut off the game doesn’t really kick you out to main menu.

If the game has SP content you should be 100% allowed to play it offline period.
 
Isa

Isa

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YuLY said:
Am I the only one that prefers the combat in SM1 over SM2? I love both games, the cinematic moments in SM2 are crazy, but the combat is so and so for me, it is much more melee oriented than the first and parry fest on higher difficulties. I feel like it was more balanced in the first.
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I feel the same way. I wanted to love it but for me the guns felt and sounded very weak and unsatisfying which made me drop it. Imp flashlights I get but I expect far better from muhreen kit. Didn't know about the always online though that sucks.
 
Darkmakaimura

Darkmakaimura

Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
For those wondering, Space Marine 2 isn't the only Warhammer 40,000 game that requires a constant online connection even when in single player mode.

Warhammer 40k: Inquisior - Martyr also requires a constant online connection even when playing single player. That one was kind of a deal-breaker for me.
 
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