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[Men_in_Boxes]

Hades and Slay the Spire are largely considered the two best roguelites in existence. Both are making bukoo dollars.

Returnal is never in the discussion for GOAT tier roguelite. It's claim to fame is basically that it's the roguelite with the biggest budget. Is it crazy to assume a new Roguelite from them that has a more appealing setting, with better run variety could do massive numbers?

Now that Housemarque has had one crack at the genre, and they've seen what titles like Hades, Slay the Spire, Dead Cells, and Balatro can do on the market, would they be wise to take another shot at the genre?

 

[Pegasus Actual]

They should make Returnal into a GaaS

 

[RedC]

 

[Blackage]

Returnal was great, but do we know how well it performed? It might be a question of if Sony will let them make another Roguelite yeah?

 

[64bitmodels]

Returnal is liked in spite of it being a roguelite more than anything. People love the aesthetic and world building and story but not everyone likes the fact you gotta explore a new map once you die
It feels more like a roguelite spinoff to a bigger, greater game than a standalone project.

still the 2021 GOTY for me

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

sony aint making indie games. I once knew a guy spreading the gospel of GaaS. You should ask him about it.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Returnal is liked in spite of it being a roguelite more than anything.

The roguelite genre is arguably the most popular genre in the indie space. It seems to be growing. I think the genre pulls more than it pushes.

 

[64bitmodels]

The roguelite genre is arguably the most popular genre in the indie space. It seems to be growing. I think the genre pulls more than it pushes.

yes Rougelikes/lites are a big thing. Returnal is just the type of game where it would probably be better if they abandoned that for a traditional metroidvania structure

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Is Hades making tons of money though?

 

[Holammer]

Sure, why not. Have another go at it.
Returnal is a good game, what killed it was the overly fart sniffing & convoluted story. The sort of shit you need to watch a VaatiVidya video to understand. The Side Order DLC on the other hand for Splatoon 3? It's simple and cute, the gameplay is as good, even better than Returnal. I had a 120% better experience with it.

Sometimes you just need to rescue the princess, not descend into a diseased mind addled by mythological symbolism.

 

[Sooner]

Returnal is my favorite roguelite that I've played. But, the genre may be too niche for AAA.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Honestly Housemarque just needs to improve the Returnal formula with a new IP and an actual protagonist that is cool and not some menopausal karen.

I don't mind whatever they do - roguelike or traditional. Just keep that amazing gameplay on point.

 

[Hudo]

I think Housemarque should make a Returnal 2. They can make it even better, imho.

 

[Majima Everywhere System]

sony aint making indie games. I once knew a guy spreading the gospel of GaaS. You should ask him about it.

When you stop multiple projects within a year, you can’t give 7 developers 7 years to right the ship.

They need a mix of games of varying scopes. Housemark may get charged with picking an older project back up and finishing it in 3 years, bluepoint and aggressive 2 year remaster.. etc

 

[a'la mode]

Returnal was really good, I'd certainly be interested in a new iteration of the formula. Not a Returnal 2 necessarily because that story is done and any continuance would just probably feel forced and awkward, but a new setting.

 

[Roberts]

I know there are a plenty of Returnal fans here and I understand it: it has nice shooting mechanics and so on but Hades is so much better as a roguelite. Hades also has amazing, smart, witty writing and great characters and I don’t think HM has it in them to write anything on that level. I think it would be better for everybody if they just made a simple arcadey 3d bullethell shooter with no roguelite features.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Is Hades making tons of money though?

SteamSpy estimates between 5 - 10 million sold. (No idea if they're legit, probably not)
Steam Revenue Calculator puts revenue at 300 million. 300 million divided by 20 is 6.6 million.
I assume it does reasonably well on consoles.
Hades II seems to be performing better than the first on Steam.

No great sources, but I suspect it's doing pretty well.

sony aint making indie games.

I'm not suggesting they make 2D indie games like Slay the Spire or Hades. I think they take the Returnal framework, replace the IP with something that has more mass appeal, and fix the inferior rogue lite elements of Returnal.

 

[Hohenheim]

Returnal is never in the discussion for GOAT tier roguelite

Retunal is, along with The Binding of Isaac, my GOAT roguelite. Without any doubt.
A Stone cold classic.

Hades is cool, and Sly the Spire is fantastic, but Returnal is pure bliss.
The atmosphere, the tight gameplay makes it something truly special.

I have very high hopes for their next game, and pray to the Elderich gods that they're not knee deep in Sony's GAAS Nightmare fuel, like so many other Sony studios these days..

 

[lughnasadh123]

Please god no. No more roguelites from them.

 

[PurePlatinum]

Just commenting to say that Returnal is still the best game of this generation and it's not even close.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

Just commenting to say that Returnal is still the best game of this generation and it's not even close.

I figured a random game would beat it and of course I was right:

 

[Beechos]

Umm returnal is goat tier

 

[GigaBowser]

hades annnnnd returnal genius

 

[linko9]

Returnal is my favorite roguelike by far, but I'd like it better if it had a non-random, arcade-style structure. The tower of sysyphus doesn't quite work because it's just an endurance test— you have to go for hours and hours to get a decent score, which isn't fun for most people. So I hope they drop the roguelike stuff for their next game and focus on making a great 3d arcade (likely shooter) game.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

Returnal is my favorite roguelike by far, but I'd like it better if it had a non-random, arcade-style structure.

You're not sounding super-qualified on what makes a good roguelike...