frankie_baby
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Considering the bump this week I wonder if Wii U might have a 20k week next week, could obon bump + hyrule warriors push it, perhaps even slightly more than Mario kart did
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Media Create Sales: Week 32, 2014 (Aug 04 - Aug 10)
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Eolz
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It's also ok to understand that Versus had some help with the anime giving it more attention, more merchandise and advertisement being out there at the time.
So far, the producers want the spinoffs on vita and the main ones on 3ds. Who knows if their reasons are good, but at least they improve the games each time.
Estival Versus will be interesting to follow
and it will probably flop on home consoles
In a month it will have outsold Mario Kart 7. Crazy.
shinra-bansho
Member
Because it's becoming increasingly obvious that Japan is essentially irrelevant on a global scale with regard to the console gaming market, and significant investment specifically in this market is like burning money.
The system just reached 10M units globally, while being at dead system levels in Japan. It's lifetime sales in the territory will probably amount to not much more than one US holiday season.
AcademicSaucer
Member
Thats irrelevant, the only explanation is that the audience that likes games with anime school girls with destructible clothes is on the Vita.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I don't think it actually needs to sell more than 7 million to beat that prediction, It's more like 6 million to outsell the lowest Mario Kart.
metalslimer
Member
This would make sense if didn't also do a decent bit worse than Burst as well.
I would say that Nintendo could probably grab more of this audience on the 4DS, but honestly I'm surprised these types of games aren't being ported to mobile more. Seems like it would be....er....convenient.
ATXAlchemy
Member
Many 3DS games in Japan launch at a $60 price point. Even games like Medarot and Inazuma Eleven, both of which if I am not mistaken are aimed at younger audiences, are around 60.
SK's audience isn't the "casual" or the elementary/middleschoolers here. They're not the guys who would back off just because it costs them two value meals at a fast food restaurant from the usual they pay for.
It's still bad news, considering that it's lower than the very first game - at which point it was a new IP (aka noone knew about it). Senran Kagura has had 3 games before SK2 and an anime to boot. A mere "10$" shouldn't be offsetting those.
Davey Cakes
Member
50K at most. Just being realistic. The game has been promoted well but it's still a Wii U game that isn't Mario Kart.
With the Zelda name alone maybe it'll have legs though.
ATXAlchemy
Member
Well, there's lots of "big things" in it, that's for sure.
Less than 5.9 million is the vaguest prediction ever though for a console that has shipped just over 6 million.
If that's a prediction then I predict Hyrule Warriors will sell less than 1.6 million and PS Nova will sell less than 3.5 million (in Japan).
Edit:
Zelda games aren't big hits in Japan, but preorders don't look as bad as I remember them. I just remember preorders being zero for quite some time. Source.
Eolz
Member
What if part of the audience followed the game on Vita and didn't expect it to release on 3ds again? Would fit with some reviews.
Several sequels lately did worse than the originals during their first weeks, and I don't think it's necessarily because it was on the wrong platform (apart from mobile obviously, if you follow the japanese trends).
Let's just see if it really has as bad legs as the others, I don't think it'll be the case (nor do I think it will have great legs either, I just don't see this series grow).
DXB-KNIGHT
Member
Fixed for money making reasons.
We have no data of how the games would perform on other systems. The 3DS ones are brawlers while the PSV one is a Musou-clone.
That´s more an excuse for obvious incompetence rather than anything else. Japan is still a relevent market where you can built a 10m-20m userbase and establish new million-selling IPs and it´s also a market that supports several million-selling franchises.
Dragon's Crown on Vita managed 70k first week with stock shortages and that's a brawler.
I'm looking forward to seeing the numbers when the next SK Vita drops.
For consoles? Nope.
If there is one time Nintendo needs to make demands, it is this. Don't wait till the hype dies down. This game along with an amiibo line would change Wii u's fortunes easily.
I think the problem is every third party realizes they'd be better off releasing those franchises on mobile or 3DS at MOST. Cheaper to make, more people to sell it to... why bother with a multi million dollar project on the PS4 when you can shit out 10 iOS games in a year for a fraction of that cost and make more money?
I suppose it's because software houses don't believe mobile platforms are a good place for games dedicated to a niche, dedicated (probably classifiable as otaku) audience and with a kind of gameplay maybe not that suitable to touch only devices, especially considering how it's difficult for games being more expensive than even 5 bucks to do decently on the platform, especially if they don't have any kind of visibility.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Yeah, it's really easy to blame Japan while Sony is the one at fault here. PS4 doesn't have games, why should it be selling more than 5k?
Things will change once/if games start to roll in, that's what happened to PS3.
Best case we'll see a spinoff or linkup game. Like IE on Wii or Pokémon on consoles.
Nintendo should be leaning on L5 more for Wii U content in general. Given Hino's early comments about Layton being a good fit for the system and wanting to make IE Online for it, I figured we'd have more announced by now than a still unseen Wonderflick port. Not even a Strikers game yet.
You're not taking account of the effects of momentum. PS4 is likely developing an increasingly bad reputation in Japan and in a years time becomes old news. This makes it harder to spark excitement. Third parties will also cut back on their plans for the platform which would have a further negative effect. FF/MGS etc will help when they turn up but that will be quite modest. It's probably up to Sony to really try to change things but they likely won't bother since they'd be better served focusing their efforts in other markets.
Oh god...
This sounds more like an Xbox than a PlayStation.
The similarities are clear, but one difference is that the Vita has a reasonably well performing counterpart clobbering it. Wii U is first among losers right now.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Gotta take those small victories. Better first amongst losers than last (despite the difference being fairly negligible).
No one in the world is predicting otherwise, haha.
It's the 35K-75K that people disagree on.
Oh, sorry. I was on vacation for two weeks with spotty internet so I based that off of older predictions where >100k predictions were common
When the 'winning' console is storming away selling faster than anything before and we see these numbers in this territory?
Yeah, I'm thinking Japan is about as relevant as a hamlet in Luxembourg.
Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule
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Next week it will be at 20k minimum i think
i'm always paying attention to japan since it seems that at least for the last couple of decades, the major happenings there dictate what wind up happening in the rest of the world. this has been the only time there's been such a clear difference between first and not-first (3ds and ps4) between japan and us/europe.
i don't think it's a precursor to us and european gamers accepting mobile games as our lord and savior, but i do believe it's a sign that the traditional console market is on its way out. whatever steals attention away next time will be a killing blow.
3DS is still doing badly compared to last year, but at least it seems to finally be away from that ~20K tug of war battle with the Vita from earlier this year. There were a lot of predictions of its demise.
Hyrule Warriors prediction: 53K
Smash Wii U prediction FW (why not): 170K
Hyrule Warriors prediction: 53K
Smash Wii U prediction FW (why not): 170K
Aye, I always used to think of Japan as something of a miners canary. I reckon all that changed when MS put out a Direct X box and let Western PC devs run rampant. The territories drifted apart as the west emulated PCs and the east retreated to handhelds.
I honestly don't know what I think about the dedicated console market. I knew dedicated handhelds would take a pasting, but I figured consoles were sufficiently differentiated. The way mobile tech is steaming on and gaining audiences though, I don't think anything is certain any more.
Saint Gregory
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It's kind of worth noting that the rise of mobile games began in Japan first and the Wii began its decent into irrelevancy in Japan long before the declines began in other territories.
Tastes in games between the Japanese and Western markets have probably never been as different as they are now though which is helping sustain the console market in the west. The types of games enjoyed in Japan can be easily played on mobile devices while the same can't be said the types of games that are driving sales elsewhere.
Metallix87
Member
Yep. 2DS still needs to launch in Japan, too.
I was wondering which would happen first: 2DS to Japan or PSTV to non-Japan.
Now we know.
Metallix87
Member
Very bizarre, isn't it?
If you ask me, Japan's shift away from traditional gaming is more about Japan's development scene than mobile gaming meeting everyone's demand for the media. Price is also a continuing factor. I would be interested in seeing Nintendo release a 3rd platform with a race to the bottom pricing approach, something like a 3ds successor at $150 and a Gba successor at $89, both designed to eventually hit $99 and $49 respectfully.
It is good to see Wii U have a bump, while Japan's market might not be very big, Wii U needs to gain however many millions it can sell there. Their next console should try to be low cost as well, developers will never flock to Nintendo like they do to Sony, largely because strong first party IPs means less money for gamers to spend on 3rd parties, so pricing the console at $229 with a goal of $129 by eol should mean more total sales of hardware than having a powerful box.
It is good to see Wii U have a bump, while Japan's market might not be very big, Wii U needs to gain however many millions it can sell there. Their next console should try to be low cost as well, developers will never flock to Nintendo like they do to Sony, largely because strong first party IPs means less money for gamers to spend on 3rd parties, so pricing the console at $229 with a goal of $129 by eol should mean more total sales of hardware than having a powerful box.
Dragon1893
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Damn, Lost Dimension really bombed.