AranhaHunter
Banned
Not knowing shipment numbers make 70% worthless.
Who is "he" that thinks it could perform similar to MHP? Sounds like a bit of a wishful thinking at this point IMO.
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Media Create Sales: Week 9, 2013 (Feb 25 - Mar 03)
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Not knowing shipment numbers make 70% worthless.
Who is "he" that thinks it could perform similar to MHP? Sounds like a bit of a wishful thinking at this point IMO.
What are you saying makes 0 sense and connection with that we are talking about.Dragon Quest VII debuted in PS1 5 months after PS2 was released.You understand what that means right?
Square decided to go with PS for VII because of the CD.
electroplankton
Banned
All problems with Nintendo aside, Squaresoft had a lot of SNES games in the pipeline in mid-Ninenties, and Final Fantasy IP was really growing on that platform entry after entry. But of course they needed to start thinking to shift development processes to the new generations of consoles. Same reasoning for Capcom; sticking on PSP in 2011 / 2012 would have meant delaying the arrival of MH on new handheld devices.
That was my point...?
Software houses need to make decisions quickly when it comes to shift development to new generations of console. There are many reasons why Squaresoft brought VII on PS1 and didn't stick to SNES for another entry, despite the series was growing in sales and reputation. Same for Enix; bringing DQ on PS2 helped to build the userbase in preparation of the eight chapter. Capcom moved MH to 3DS because they had to move the IP to the new generation anyway. Why sticking to PSP in 2011 / 2012, delaying a potential new entry to late 2012 / 2013 without having time to build the userbase on a new platform?
test_account
XP-39C²
Do we have any proof of what intencives that are being given both on 3DS and Vita?
The rumor for the exclusive is for 3 years. Someone will probably take your post and spread it as 2 years now.
I don't think it's really a matter of receptiveness but more that you buy the game for the multiplayer and to play with friends. So naturally if your friends have the 3DS version then what's the point in you getting a Vita version even if it might manage to be better overall? Even if you take into account online you want the version with the biggest playerbase.
pieatorium
Member
That has absolutley nothing to do with a 3d game that had huge amounts of fmv didn't get a port to a system that could only handle 2d graphics and had carts that couldn't store all the fmv.
It is an insanely dumb comparison.
Captain Smoker
Member
Why not, same game, lower price.
I really doubt Sony didn't make any incentive to Capcom. That would be incredible stupid, even for SCEJ.
Nintendo was faster and had better timing, I'm sure.
It's pretty simple really, they wanted the fanbase to start moving to the 3DS before MH4 came out. That's why the two were announced closely together (in order to show their fans where the series was headed).
They couldn't have kept releasing PSP games forever.
electroplankton
Banned
Did you really understand my example? I don't think so.
The point was: software houses need to shift development processes to new generation of consoles, right? In particular when it comes to their big IPs. Final Fantasy VII was eventually released on PS1 but guess what, it started as a SNES project! But Squaresoft wasn't myopic enough to stick again to SNES, and they brought VII to PS1. The reasons why this happened are many (a lot of problems with Nintendo, etc.), but the underlying reason is one for all: move the IP to a new generation of hardware.
shinra-bansho
Member
People seemed to ignore BEST versions when doing comparisons earlier. E.g. when looking at GT games. So I wasn't sure which number people tended to use; original only or original+BEST.
Oh, I missed this earlier - where is it from?
test_account
XP-39C²
I wouldnt say that it is worthless. It is a small piece of information that tells something about how much the first shipment sold. It tells nothing of how much it actually sold indeed, which i guess what you're referring too, but at least it is sales related
The MHP comparison might be about 1st week sales, but i dont know.
electroplankton
Banned
I wouldnt say that it is worthless. It is a small piece of information that tells something about how much the first shipment sold. It tells nothing of how much it actually sold indeed, which i guess what you're referring too, but at least it is sales related
The MHP comparison might be about 1st week sales, but i dont know.
I think 100k units are doable, it's been heavily promoted by Sony.
pieatorium
Member
Absolutely I did. It is still a stupid example as this was a game that 100% could not have been made on that other hardware . If that original NES version of VII was the one that was made and came out exclusive to PS1 your example would be spot on.
Captain Smoker
Member
I use Original + Best.
The only difference is the lower price (and the different cover), it's the same game. ^^
Monster Hunter Portable 2nd (PSP) wouldn't have 1.703.361 units not accounting these.
grimshawish
Banned
No. Its just assumptions based on what we have seen.
The thing with MH is that its so big that you can't 'buy it'; I've no doubt theres some sales incentives but both sides would have offered this.
I feel its an internal decision by Capcom to ensure the future health of the series. There an untapped market on Nintendo hardware and staying on ageing hardware is not a good idea for any brand.
I feel any Nintendo incentive was more out of making Capcom as comfortable as possible, as oppose to turning their head. The Nintendo userbase and a machine now up to scratch with what MH needs but also offering that 'next gen' side of things.
Capcom don't want three competing systems on the handheld market. They quite frankly want one. The 3DS.
I think Nintendo honestly made the most attractive system for Monster Hunter and Capcom felt Nintendo would make it a success. I struggle to see many other companies making another decision; in fact a lot of the big publishers are making the same.
electroplankton
Banned
The game was planned to be released on SNES. Square could have sticked to SNES a bit more, given how growing was the IP. They didn't. They weren't myopic enough to stick on a platform that would have been dying in 1997. They had to shift resources to develop on new hardware.
Same with Capcom. They started with an updated version of an existing game because it's more common now to see this kind of operations. Sticking to PSP in 2012 would have jurted the IP.
I always thought BEST is counted as long as it's the same game without adding any content and just cheaper. That's how MHP2G is a 4 million seller.
EDIT: beaten and the same example was even used. haha
Looks like Vita might finally have struck gold, and with an original IP at that.
70% sell through for a brand new IP day one is worthless? Okay.
And considering how much Sony has been pushing the game I doubt the shipment was small.
70% sell through for a brand new IP day one is worthless? Okay.
And considering how much Sony has been pushing the game I doubt the shipment was small.
I wouldn't take this guy seriously... he's incredible negative and mostly eats crow around these topics.
It also depends on the retailers though. If they are also optimistic about the prospect of the game, the shipment would be larger.
Oh that's right.I wasn't sure if it was 2 or 3 years and i went with 2.Thanks for bringing that up since i was searching it.
michaelius
Banned
Well technically he is right - that sell through alone is not telling us much more than
consumer demand > shop owners estimation
consumer demand > shop owners estimation
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Your previous posts don't say anything but accuse me of port begging or skirting some fantasy line. Put up or shut up.
Welcome to 99% of the discourse on GAF. If you really can't take informed observation, I'd suggest finding a new forum.
Retailers aren't going to order a huge amount of copies for a new IP usually. Even if it's heavily promoted. Risk is too big for them.
And 70% ST is good but if you don't know the initial shipment it is indeed kinda worthless.
gamergirly
Member
100k? That would be noticeable. Probably on the high end of guesstimates tho
electroplankton
Banned
Well, it's a new IP, true, but it's receiving bundles, promotions everywhere, the demo was downloaded by many Vita owners, MH-like game, released after the price cut, etc.
*cough* Ninokuni *cough*
AranhaHunter
Banned
70% of what though? Did Sony ship 50K units? Or was it 300K? We simply don't know.
That's my point. We don't know, so don't act like you do know with such certainty. Educated guesses are fine, but they are just that, guesses.
lol
To be fair back then Level-5 had a string of big success on DS with inazuma and Layton.
Boobs did 95k last week, so why not ? I predicted 160k for SS, for the month, so I hope for something around 100k first week.
shinra-bansho
Member
What are plausible shipment numbers though?
50K? 80K? 100K? 150K? More?
Is the shipment expected to be larger than Senran Kagura?
50K? 80K? 100K? 150K? More?
Is the shipment expected to be larger than Senran Kagura?
Huh didn't think of that one :/ Well the situation is quite different, Ni No Kuni had the Level 5 brand pretty much at its peak, and Ghibli. Plus it was on the most successful handheld of all time. Soul Sacrifice is by SCEJ (they haven't really launched a huge game in ages), doesn't have any mainstream brand attached to it and it's on the Vita... I guess retailers expectations were quite different.
test_account
XP-39C²
Yeah, double pack and hardware bundle should help too. It not doing 90k-100k in the first week will be dissapointing in my opinion (i include digital sales in this 90k-100k number, eventhough we might not get to know those numbers specifically).
I understand. I think we know too little about what is going on behind the scenes to say much about that one company is offering much intensives and another one isnt.
NNK was an exception. It doesn't invalidate your statement, since you said "usually". And I agree, it's completely different from SS.
I was looking at the Famitsu top 30 and this past week was Vita's 4th biggest in software sales. Let's see if SS+ToH can be the best.
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12/12/2011 215235 (launch)
11/06/2012 160290 (P4G)
27/08/2012 158009 (HMPDF)
25/02/2013 157934 (SKSV+PSO2)
24/09/2012 77786 (Ys+EDF3)axisofweevils
Holy crap! Today's real megaton is that more than two people can have the same first name.
My theory has always been that the Circle Pad Pro (designed with the help of Capcom) was the price Nintendo paid for MH3-4.
Actually it IS worthless since we have nothing to base it of.
Or not. Just because some contract that might or might not exist in the first place expires doesn't mean they'll actually do something.
The whole "exclusivity deal" rumor is bullshit in my opinion. Capcom didn't bring MH to 3DS because Nintendo paid them, they did it because it was the most suitable platform from a business point of view.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I'm going off past precedent and company history, there's a grand total of zero examples for Nintendo handing out cash for a project they don't publish themselves. Where did I ever state I wasn't simply going off the obvious?
Seriously "you don't really know for sure unless you know" is like the dumbest, most circular, needlessly discourse stifling argument I've seen on GAF in awhile. The only good thing I can say about it is that it's an improvement over the mysterious "port begging line".
Weren't the Capcom Gamecube "exclusive" games published by Capcom?
shinra-bansho
Member
Being the most suitable platform and getting some sort of monetary investment/guarantee aren't really mutually exclusive.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Yes, and Capcom famously stated no money changed hands for them. Nintendo certainly does incentives, they don't do cash payouts.
MH3G already sold above what Capcom expected.
The second part is totally false, MH4 would not have made the most profit if it was made on the PS3. It would have made the most on the PSP, then the 3DS.
walking fiend
Member
Yeah, cause all the other studios nintendo have moneyhatted.
AranhaHunter
Banned
I said you were walking a fine line there and I still say that you were. You are free to disagree and that's fine, I don't really care.
Saying something is 100% a sure thing when you don't know or have no proof of it being true is pretty idiotic. There's only a few times where we have 100% proof that money was exchanged (IIRC MS on Tales), but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. We can assume, but that doesn't make it a fact. You're trying to pass off your assumptions as fact and that's a stupid thing to do.
I forgot how stubborn and arrogant you are so I'll just say that you are 100% right and I'm 100% wrong. Satisfied?
Soul Sacrifice (this week biggest release)
http://www.true-gaming.net/home/135160/
Project Diva F Hits the PS3
http://www.true-gaming.net/home/135136/
Tales of Hearts another tales remake hits the VITA
http://www.true-gaming.net/home/135152/
more releases for the week
http://www.true-gaming.net/home/135127/
http://www.true-gaming.net/home/135160/
Project Diva F Hits the PS3
http://www.true-gaming.net/home/135136/
Tales of Hearts another tales remake hits the VITA
http://www.true-gaming.net/home/135152/
more releases for the week
http://www.true-gaming.net/home/135127/
Didn't know that, so why Capcom decided to do 5 exclusive Gamecube games? Any particolar reason? And what to do you mean by incentives? I would love to know if you have some link, I think it's interesting. Anyway I'm not really sure why moneyhats are seen as a bad thing in here, I think it's just another way to have more support.
Hellraider
Member
Souls Sacrifice and not Miku?Interesting.