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[Captain Hero]

How can you expect a company to go pro and real with its fans while guys like him explained the poor performance with a a poor excuse .. the same goes for Phil and other members , no denying there are games but let’s be honest here .. whenever MS tweet or hype for something it’s immediately goes off for me and we did say Xbox is such a good platform but it’s under the wrong men

I’m really hoping for a fresh team in every department .. things need to be fixed and yes the marketing is more more important than ever , underestimating your rivals for what ? A laugh? A lie ? ...




what do you think Gaf ? Do you like the way MS headed?

 

[speedomodel]

I truly think Xbox/MS needs to shed Aaron. He feels like such a carry-over from a past Xbox ethos. Looking at their marketing blunders and messaging issues, I do not understand why he's not been held to task more. These kind of answers are silly.

I say this as a huge Xbox fan and someone who enjoyed what he saw of Infinite.

 

[Captain Hero]

I truly think Xbox/MS needs to shed Aaron. He feels like such a carry-over from a past Xbox ethos. Looking at their marketing blunders and messaging issues, I do not understand why he's not been held to task more. These kind of answers are silly.

I say this as a huge Xbox fan and someone who enjoyed what he saw of Infinite.

From my point of view I can see two issues .. one you already said it and it’s the marketing , such a bad approach tbh . The second thing is the way they think about AAA games . They never interested in heavy AAA games or let me phrase it more clearly , they don’t want to .. I never say to copy PlayStation but bring the AAA exclusives that make me want to hold the Xbox controller other than that why bothers making XSX in the first place?

 

[Guilty_AI]

Just how many threads dooming MS and xbox we need to have just because of a demo that didn't look all that great?

 

[funcojoe]

They've tried to be Sega, nintendo, and sony in name awareness , quality execution, and really to be accepted in the world of console gaming.

Problem is and remember I've been a xbox fan from the first day , they never really felt to me anyway like a console. They've given me great tech here n there, a nice box for central entertainment, but do i look at my xbox as a gaming console? No, not really. Its where I run netflix,amazon, hulu, hbomax, from as a central hub that also holds my movie collection. Oh yea and it plays some games as well. Thats xbox in brand and idea to me, it is not a playstation, or nintendo home console. I also think as well as I'm sure everyone else, gaming wasn't and maybe still isn't the top priority for them.

At this point after seeing halo infinite its pretty clear that after almost 20 years in the console space they still have no fucking clue what they're doing.

 

[Max_Po]

Every time I see Aaron I notice he has put on 5 pounds of fat on his face. Looks like he stopped caring about MS and Xbox and is secretly receiving those Doritos from that Double XP deal.

THis guy needs to be AXED asap.

 

[Aion002]

MS should learn with Sony and Nintendo: Just shut up... Show your content and your vision and hope for the best.

Sony took a while to learn, but they did.

They came and told everybody: This is the PS5, it can do this and that, those are the games we have right now. We hope you enjoy it.

While MS tried so hard to spin everything in it's favor with shit like: We are confident over the PS5, most powerful console, many games and so on.... They hype too much... So the expectations were too big and they delivered too little.... Also, they pander toxic gamers... They should stop that.

MS is basically right now the 3rd place dude:

And there's no 4th competitor....

 

[Captain Hero]

They've tried to be Sega, nintendo, and sony in name awareness , quality execution, and really to be accepted in the world of console gaming.

Problem is and remember I've been a xbox fan from the first day , they never really felt to me anyway like a console. They've given me great tech here n there, a nice box for central entertainment, but do i look at my xbox as a gaming console? No, not really. Its where I run netflix,amazon, hulu, hbomax, from as a central hub that also holds my movie collection. Oh yea and it plays some games as well. Thats xbox in brand and idea to me, it is not a playstation, or nintendo home console. I also think as well as I'm sure everyone else, gaming wasn't and maybe still isn't the top priority for them.

At this point after seeing halo infinite its pretty clear that after almost 20 years in the console space they still have no fucking clue what they're doing.

yeah that’s what I’m trying to figure out .. are they really fully interested in console gaming ? are they really know what people want or they just trying many methods over the years until they hit that target ? .. I really don’t know

 

[bitbydeath]

Just how many threads dooming MS and xbox we need to have just because of a demo that didn't look all that great?

Because MS have been overhyping what they created while downplaying Sony and PS5 the entire time and then had the gall to bring trash to the table.

If they stayed humble they wouldn’t look so stupid right now.

Xbox discord also did no favours.

 

[GHG]

The "Covid" excuse is something I'd expect a small indie game studio to come up with, not a company the size of Microsoft.

I'm a one man band and wouldn't dream of using that excuse in the event I didn't meet my clients' expectations for a project.

It's disgraceful, every company is going through the same situation, this isn't something unique to Microsoft.

If it is negatively effecting them to such a degree then the biggest question is why and how? Surely they will have had robust systems and processes in place that would have allowed their employees to work from home effectively pre-covid? They are a huge software/technology company, if anyone should have been set up to cope with the situation without a significant drop-off in productivity it's them. Are their employees not motivated enough to get shit done without someone constantly watching over their shoulder?

The excuse stinks of bullshit and a journalist needs to start asking Phil Spencer some difficult questions instead of allowing him to dictate the direction of interviews for his benefit.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Because MS have been overhyping what they created while downplaying Sony and PS5 the entire time and then had the gall to bring trash to the table.

If they stayed humble they wouldn’t look so stupid right now.

Xbox discord also did no favours.

When did they downplay Sony and PS5? Also, the hype so far didn't feel much different from what every console company does before releasing a console, nor any less disappointing from what i've seem from sony so far.

 

[sonomamashine]

Goes both ways, confusion about PS5 boost clock, games showcased looked current gen on the Ps5 show mixed with CG, basically both company's did the same thing.
But no people ! Blame MS just because...
C'mon guys stop the fanboy nonsense, everyone is being dupe here.

 

[Ascend]

If this was the case they should have put that as a disclaimer during the event, just before showing the footage. Regardless of whether it's true or not, right now, every person is going to see this as damage control, and rightfully so.

 

[bitbydeath]

When did they downplay Sony and PS5? Also, the hype so far didn't feel much different from what every console company does before releasing a console, nor any less disappointing from what i've seem from sony so far.

Things like this:


Or this

Just being honest, I felt good after seeing their show. I think the hardware advantages that we have built are going to show up as we’re talking more about our games and frame rates and other things.

Xbox boss feels Series X has a launch games and hardware advantage over PS5 | VGC

Phil Spencer says he “felt good” after seeing the PlayStation 5 reveal show…

www.videogameschronicle.com

 

[Captain Hero]

Goes both ways, confusion about PS5 boost clock, games showcased looked current gen on the Ps5 show mixed with CG, basically both company's did the same thing.
But no people ! Blame MS just because...
C'mon guys stop the fanboy nonsense, everyone is being dupe here.

Say what you want and discuss with the us the subject here but please don’t point that “ stop the fanboys nonsense “ shit I’m not interested in kids war , I’m simply putting a subject for discussion in a good way and it’s all clear .. I didn’t bring the untold it’s all known to the public

 

[GHG]

Goes both ways, confusion about PS5 boost clock, games showcased looked current gen on the Ps5 show mixed with CG, basically both company's did the same thing.
But no people ! Blame MS just because...
C'mon guys stop the fanboy nonsense, everyone is being dupe here.

What was CG at the PS5 conference?

 

[Guilty_AI]

Things like this:


Or this

Xbox boss feels Series X has a launch games and hardware advantage over PS5 | VGC

Phil Spencer says he “felt good” after seeing the PlayStation 5 reveal show…

www.videogameschronicle.com

How is any of those "downplaying"? All they did was prop-up their own product, in no moment they downplayed the ps5. In fact, sony also did plenty of that with titles like "the future of gaming" or massive claims about their SSD capabilities if thats what bothers you.
I also haven't forgotten they did stuff like this, only to follow the same steps onto the digital market afterwards.

 

[sonomamashine]

Say what you want and discuss with the us the subject here but please don’t point that “ stop the fanboys nonsense “ shit I’m not interested in kids war , I’m simply putting a subject for discussion in a good way and it’s all clear .. I didn’t bring the untold it’s all known to the public

I'm simply putting a subject in a one sided discussion, I didn’t bring the untold it’s all known to the public (depends on which team you cheering on)

What was CG at the PS5 conference?

I'll let you discover that by yourself.

 

[GHG]

I'll let you discover that by yourself.

Ok so you're just making things up to make yourself feel better?

Got it.

 

[bitbydeath]

How is any of those "downplaying"? All they did was prop-up their own product, in no moment they downplayed the ps5. In fact, sony also did plenty of that with titles like "the future of gaming" or massive claims about their SSD capabilities if thats what bothers you.
I also haven't forgotten they did stuff like this, only to follow the same steps onto the digital market afterwards.

Cause they’re just talking crap. Phil literally states you would see the power difference when they did their show and we all know how that turned out.

 

[Zoro7]

How is any of those "downplaying"? All they did was prop-up their own product, in no moment they downplayed the ps5. In fact, sony also did plenty of that with titles like "the future of gaming" or massive claims about their SSD capabilities if thats what bothers you.
I also haven't forgotten they did stuff like this, only to follow the same steps onto the digital market afterwards.

You can hype up your own product no problem, but follow through with the goods. As soon as the Halo gameplay started I was laughing.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Cause they’re just talking crap. Phil literally states you would see the power difference when they did their show and we all know how that turned out.

And Sony said there would be no more loading corridors, only to have them appear anyway on their R&C demo. See? Everyone is talking crap.

 

[Hobbygaming]

When did they downplay Sony and PS5? Also, the hype so far didn't feel much different from what every console company does before releasing a console, nor any less disappointing from what i've seem from sony so far.

They even tried to downplay the PS5 at the show when Phil said "Xbox Series X is the most powerful console consistently"

We thought we were getting steak but then Phil showed up with some canned tuna

 

[Guilty_AI]

You can hype up your own product no problem, but follow through with the goods. As soon as the Halo gameplay started I was laughing.

Thing is, no console company so far has followed their claims with goods. It has just been an endless stream of disappointment.

 

[sonomamashine]

Ok so you're just making things up to make yourself feel better?

Got it.

That's what you do to make yourself feel better, "it's all real time no CG".

I already knew.

 

[GHG]

That's what you do to make yourself feel better, "it's all real time no CG".

I already knew.

 

[bitbydeath]

And Sony said there would be no more loading corridors, only to have them appear anyway on their R&C demo. See? Everyone is talking crap.

Or it was an animation as Mark Cerny said himself it looked unnatural without brief pauses so devs were implementing things just like what you saw in that demo.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

Thing is, no console company so far has followed their claims with goods. It has just been an endless stream of disappointment.

Enough with the hyperbole. Just because you wanted to pretend everything else is just like Microsoft doesn't make it true. It is terribly American, trying to argue "both sides are the same so now we can say the problem doesn't exist". Both sides are NOT the same, and in trying to make that move you are admitting defeat. You are trying to get a draw when you know you have no argument.

 

[EverydayBeast]

It should be beta season, there's no beta hype anymore.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Or it was an animation as Mark Cerny said himself it looked unnatural without brief pauses so devs were implementing things just like what you saw in that demo.

And Halo ∞ is like that for the sake of nostalgia and looking like the first one. See? I can spew excuses too.

 

[sonomamashine]

Or it was an animation as Mark Cerny said himself it looked unnatural without brief pauses so devs were implementing things just like what you saw in that demo.

And you're believing / eating / drinking anything Cerny serves you, you should know that he's a salary man working for a company, what else should he say, ask yourself.

 

[Zoro7]

Thing is, no console company so far has followed their claims with goods. It has just been an endless stream of disappointment.

In what way did Sony disappoint you? What did they say they would do and didn’t? Genuinely curious.

 

[bitbydeath]

And Halo ∞ is like that for the sake of nostalgia and looking like the first one. See? I can spew excuses too.

Yes but mine is backed by the hardware architect where as your theory is just that.

 

[Reindeer]

You're all just a bunch of haters, it was 9/10 according to TimDog.

 

[bitbydeath]

And you're believing / eating / drinking anything Cerny serves you, you should know that he's a salary man working for a company, what else should he say, ask yourself.

He said that in Road to PS5 long before the demos and was very excited to tell everyone.

Came off very credible if you go give it a re-watch.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Yes but mine is backed by the hardware architect where as your theory is just that.

Mine is backed by the fact 343 was already planing on going back to roots with infinite. Also, wasn't what cerny said just a passing joke? How did that sundelly turned into a definitive fact? Especially with all the claims on how the new architechture would change game design?

 

[Great Hair]

DO I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION?
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Increasing the cost for XBL Gold from $60 to $120. Poor F2P people.

At this time, Xbox has decided to remove the 12 months Xbox Live Gold SKU from the Microsoft online Store. Customers can still sign up for a one month or three month Xbox Live Gold subscription online through the Microsoft Store.

 

[Skyfox]

I'm editing this.


I was expressing my (very negative) feelings but I want to reduce my criticism in general during the pandemic.

 

[Guilty_AI]

In what way did Sony disappoint you? What did they say they would do and didn’t? Genuinely curious.

You want only from these presentations? Or i can include from previous gens too so i can further add why my bullshit meter keeps ringing loudly?

 

[MrS]

I think it's time they stopped trying to sell you a box and sold the service (game pass) alone, because the quality of games on game pass is not worth the barrier to entry that is buying an Xbox Series X. They are on what I think is a worrying path but it's also incredibly interesting to have Nintendo, Sony and MS to be going down their own unique roads. Time will tell if all 3 of them can be succesful.

 

[sonomamashine]

Because MS have been overhyping what they created while downplaying Sony and PS5 the entire time and then had the gall to bring trash to the table.

If they stayed humble they wouldn’t look so stupid right now.

Xbox discord also did no favours.

Cause they’re just talking crap. Phil literally states you would see the power difference when they did their show and we all know how that turned out.

He said that in Road to PS5 long before the demos and was very excited to tell everyone.

Came off very credible if you go give it a re-watch.

If you gave it an unbiased perspective :
you will see the difference on third party games
you will see the difference in resolution/fps
you will see difference graphically
there is no downplaying, just facts 12 > 10, and it will show up in the upcoming years.
Phil came off very credible if you give it a second read.

 

[Bonfires Down]

They needed to have bought all those developers years earlier. As it stands we have Halo Infinite and then it could potentially be 2+ years until the next major first party game. That is insane.

But the games shown are right up my alley (I think...) so the software has the potential to rival Sony’s stuff for me.

 

[Vawn]

I feel like o have the same one word answer for 90% of the questions on this board.

GAMES

 

[Qudrat Rabbi]

They are a service focused company. They know how to make good services. But when it comes to games, they don’t know how to manage IPs well.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Enough with the hyperbole. Just because you wanted to pretend everything else is just like Microsoft doesn't make it true. It is terribly American, trying to argue "both sides are the same so now we can say the problem doesn't exist". Both sides are NOT the same, and in trying to make that move you are admitting defeat. You are trying to get a draw when you know you have no argument.

What else can i say if both have been crappy so far? Or are you telling me Sony presentations were amazing?

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

If you gave it an unbiased perspective :
you will see the difference on third party games
you will see the difference in resolution/fps
you will see difference graphically
there is no downplaying, just facts 12 > 10, and it will show up in the upcoming years.
Phil came off very credible if you give it a second read.

Right now, for reasons unknown, Microsoft isn't even using Series X hardware to run their demos.
The first batch of Series X boxes better deliver that third party power difference, because that is all it's got.

 

[sonomamashine]

Right now, for reasons unknown, Microsoft isn't even using Series X hardware to run their demos.
The first batch of Series X boxes better deliver that third party power difference, because that is all it's got.

You know that it's superior to the Ps5, you are just confusing studio talent with hardware power, there is a difference.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

You know that it's superior to the Ps5, you are just confusing studio talent with hardware power, there is a difference.

What does studio talent got to do with it? By now Microsoft most certainly is already making and stockpiling Series X machines. So how incompetent would the studio have to be, to not able to run the current build on the machine it is designed to run on, 4 months away from release?

Yes, incompetence could be the cause. But the other theory is that there are serious hardware bugs that meant some of the power couldn't be accessed on existing Series X machines. You decide which is more believable.

 

[sonomamashine]

What does studio talent got to do with it? By now Microsoft most certainly is already making and stockpiling Series X machines. So how incompetent would the studio have to be, to not able to run the current build on the machine it is designed to run on, 4 months away from release?

Yes, incompetence could be the cause. But the other theory is that there are serious hardware bugs that meant some of the power couldn't be accessed on existing Series X machines. You decide which is more believable.

And you chose to believe that there are serious hardware bugs on series X

 

[GHG]

And you chose to believe that there are serious hardware bugs on series X

What's your explanation for us not seeing anything running on Series X hardware then?