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RTTP: Deadly Premonition - The Best "Bad" Game Ever.

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?

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Some of y'all have probably read me talk about and generally be very praising of this game on GAF over the year(s), which might sound surprising cause if you look at the games meta-scores, it's sitting in the 60's, which usually means an average or below average game. But I genuinely believe Deadly Premonition might be one of the most ambitious titles of all time, as it does things even modern AAA games can't do properly these days with their hundreds of millions in budgets. And Deadly Premonition did all this as a game that launched for the low-budget $19.99 price.

The quickest way I can entice some of you into checking it out? "It's an unofficial Twin Peaks game". The 'young girl murder setting off the story' setup, small town vibes, quirky cast of characters and the rogue-ish outsider FBI investigator with a love of coffe are all plot points ripped directly off of the show and the original character model for the main character looked closer to a handsome Kyle Maclachlan than the final games would, and George, a central character, looked a lot more like Harry S. Truman.

But what is Deadly Premonition? It's an open world game with a living breathing world with dozens of NPC's who have their own daily routines and patterns. They do things in the world irrespective of your involvement, including shady stuff that can lead you to hints of who the killer(s) might be if you keep a track of NPC activity either in person, or over the game's city map. The gist of the gameplay involves doing story missions like a standard third person action/adventure game, shitty combat followed by 'investigating' crime scenes and even a hearty vehicle component where you can choose between a dozen or so different cars in the game, each of which have their own strengths and weaknesses. In theory, this is what Remedy planned Alan Wake to be, before they scrapped most of the games open-world concept and turned it into a linear action game, it's fully realized here in all of its zany Japanese wackiness. Hell, this game even did the "Let your beard grow out" thing half a decade before The WItcher 3 would.

And yes, wacky it is. I reckon most people here have cursory knowledge of the game through some of its dialogue, odd facial expressions etc, but don't let that fool you. Underneath the PS2-looking graphics is probably the most endearing cast of characters I've ever seen in a game. They all have their unique quirks and by the time the credits roll, you'll be familiar with all the key players and their antics by name, and you might not wanna leave the town of Greenvale. The general plot is, like I said earlier, just Twin Peaks with more super-natural combat mechanics with some really good twists and turns, and if someone hasn't played this game, I'd highly recommend avoiding over-indulging on the content online, as the mystery is a key component.

This game also has the great misfortune of some of the shittiest ports after the original Xbox 360 release back in 2010, which is one of the key contributors of why a lot of folks think "oh yeah it's that game that runs like shit", most of that was added thanks to the often-single-digit frame rate on the PS3 and Switch re-releases. They both were titled "Director's Cut" but honestly, I would not recommend either as the first version someone picks up. The PC version had a lot of work put in by Durante himself, but even then it's one of those cases where it might work for you or you might not even be able to get past the intro even with all fan-mods applied. The only real reliable way to play the game right now is either original Xbox 360 hardware, or emulation, be it the BC emulation of the X360 version on Xbox One or Series, or running the PS3 or Switch versions on their respective PC emulators. The PS3 and Steam Director's Cut versions added some extra scenes at the start and end of the game but those were deemed as non-canon by the director and removed by the time of the Switch re-release as they don't make sense with how Deadly Premonition 2's story went (and DP2 is a whole another can of worms I'm not going to talk about right now, in short, it absolutely sucks in all ways).

I know many on GAF are more fond of Japanese developers over Western developers these days, so if there's one thing I can say to convince that group to check Deadly Premonition out, is that DP is peak Japanese creativity on display. It's what happens when a developer with grand ambition tries his best to stretch out a meager budget to try and make his approximation of an open world game.


Some bonus content to round up the thread:


1. The game's original title was Rainy Woods, it was shown at TGS 2007. After this showing, the game went dark for a long while before re-emerging in 2009 and releasing in early 2010. Modifications were made to some characters and two small-people were removed and replaced with two kids. Likely because it was *WAY* too much Twin Peaks, reportedly the game's developers were contacted by the Twin Peaks license holders (the voice actor for the main character said this in an interview).

Trailer and renders of how David (York's old name) and George looked before.





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2. Giant Bomb's Endurance Run playlist for the game, which was a lot of peoples, including my own, introduction to the game proper.







3. The famous F.K in the Coffee scene that's most people's go-to for the game.





4. An exhaustive video covering all the ports and re-releases of the game and how they all fucked up the original game one way or the other.

Time stamped to where the comparisons begin.







5. Some screenshots of the game by yours truly, captured on Series X on my latest playthrough. Sadly, this is an un-enhanced game, i-e no resolution boost, so it plays at 720p, however you get the added benefit of V-sync at all times, 16x anisotropic filtering and auto HDR.





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RagnarokIV

Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/
Always been curious about this game. Famed for it's jank but praised for it's weird and wonderful. I will definitely get a round to playing it one day.

Great charming characters, a good story with twists and turns along the way.

The town is actually alive, with people having their own routines and lives.

I found it relaxing to just drive or walk around town talking to people and learning about their lives.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Going from Twin Peaks to an edgy 80s anime OVA was some insane shit.

David Lynch would be proud of this, right before cussing out SWERY for ripping him off so directly.

PC version is so messed up. Had to stop playing.

Yeah, unfortunately it's shit even with Durante's patches.

Xenia's emulation of the Xbox version is also broken, so PC only folks, RCPS3 or any of the Switch emulators is probably the best way to play.
 
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RedC

Member
It's also one of my favorite games, and I love being able to play the Xbox 360 version (the best version) on my Xbox Series X with Auto HDR and locked 30 fps.
 
What is the best way to experience this on PC without crashes? I've read on the Deadly Premonition (steam forums) that it's still buggy as hell on PC.
Some say the best way is emulate the PS3 version on RPCS3.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
What is the best way to experience this on PC without crashes? I've read on the Deadly Premonition (steam forums) that it's still buggy as hell on PC.
Some say the best way is emulate the PS3 version on RPCS3.

On PC it's emulation for sure. Native PC version is extremely hit or miss, leaning a lot more towards miss.
 

RagnarokIV

Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/
What is the best way to experience this on PC without crashes? I've read on the Deadly Premonition (steam forums) that it's still buggy as hell on PC.
Some say the best way is emulate the PS3 version on RPCS3.

PS3 Director’s Cut version is poor due to changing up the story, only to then disregard and cancel those changes for the sequel.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
PS3 Director’s Cut version is poor due to changing up the story, only to then disregard and cancel those changes for the sequel.

Also it runs like utter dogshit on native hardware. Switch version also drops into single digits.

I don't know how they managed to do that but they severely fucked up ports which were 3 to 9 years after the original release.
 

RedC

Member
Also it runs like utter dogshit on native hardware. Switch version also drops into single digits.

I don't know how they managed to do that but they severely fucked up ports which were 3 to 9 years after the original release.
I can only assume Deadly Premonition was more coded to the metal of Xbox 360's PowerPC instruction set architecture.
 

near

Member
I didn't get very far before turning it off and throwing it into the bin. I tried the PS3 version which ran like shit, and the Steam version is also wank, so I refuse to try this game again. Reminds me of Left Alive with how fucking awful that game was in terms of performance.
 

Bridges

Member
This is a top 10 of all-time game for me. So amazing. Some games are simply more than the sum of their parts.

It's a shame all the ports made the game worse and that the sequel couldn't live up to the original. I'd still recommend it to anyone though
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
This is a top 10 of all-time game for me. So amazing. Some games are simply more than the sum of their parts.

It's a shame all the ports made the game worse and that the sequel couldn't live up to the original. I'd still recommend it to anyone though

It really is one of those games where people who love it, absolutely love it and people who couldn't get into it, completely disregard it.
 
I played 1+2 on Switch about 2 years ago. Loved them. Bought them on Steam too but I hear the PC ports are crap. That still true?

And by crap I mean unplayable and broken. Not the typical jank. Ha

Those games made me like jank horror. If that’s a genre. Now I’ve been dabbling in Fatal Frame and Slitterhead.
 
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adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I played 1+2 on Switch about 2 years ago. Loved them. Bought them on Steam too but I hear the PC ports are crap. That still true?

And by crap I mean unplayable and broken. Not the typical jank. Ha

Don't know the current state of 2 but 1 is definitely broken.
 
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Big Baller

Al Pachinko, Konami President
I owned it for the PS3 and have 1 and 2 for Switch I think. Just looked them up on Steam and they are for sale. Bought. I never liked these games tho lol. But I love Twin Peaks.
 
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Dacvak

No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
This song lives rent-free in my head.


“So what kinda song should we write next?”
While playing Super Mario World
“Yo ive got a great idea”
 

near

Member
No, Rock solid 30 FPS with no drops and you get some of the inherent benefits like higher anisotropic filtering and no screen tearing.

No resolution or performance boost sadly.
Good to know. I've been thinking of picking up a Series X to play some of my old Xbox and 360 games collecting dust, might not be the best thread to ask this. But do you know how the Series X handles backwards compatibility with different region games? So like will a physical copy of a game from Japan/US work on a PAL Series X?
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Good to know. I've been thinking of picking up a Series X to play some of my old Xbox and 360 games collecting dust, might not be the best thread to ask this. But do you know how the Series X handles backwards compatibility with different region games? So like will a physical copy of a game from Japan/US work on a PAL Series X?

Yes, I can confirm with certainty that different region BC games will work, there's no region lock on the series consoles themselves, so when you insert a pal disc into an ntsc series x, it's just going to download the pal formatted game which will work without any issues on your series x.

Tldr it's safe, go ahead.
 

SkylineRKR

Member
Its a great experience.

The game is obviously low budget and punches above its weight but what you get is a living town, with the townsfolk having daily routines and you can even stalk them. The main character, when driving, is doing monologues about 80's B-movies. At some point he says Ladyhawk is severely underrated, and I actually went to watch that movie because of it.

This game came out at the same time as Heavy Rain, which reviewed very well. And Jim sterling, then still sane, said DP was superior. Everyone thought he was trolling, but turns out he was right. DP has an open world, with actual crime solving. Its much less restrictive than HR, which was made on a higher budget and funded by Sony. I really started to care for some NPC in DP.

The game would be better off without its action stages though. Its at its best when you visit people and try to unravel the mystery.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
This would make for a great candidate for Sony to "up-render" and re-release as a native app on the PS5. The only way to play it on PS5 right now is the PS3 version on cloud, which is like a shit cake with a poop cherry on top.

The game would be better off without its action stages though. Its at its best when you visit people and try to unravel the mystery.

Yeah, SWERY has said numerous times that he wanted to make a game without any combat but it was a publisher mandate.

I guess that's one reason why you can get infinite durability one-hit-kill weapons like the infinite-wrench pretty much the first hour in the game. SWERY wanted to give people ways to finish the combat segments asap.
 

RedC

Member
The game would be better off without its action stages though. Its at its best when you visit people and try to unravel the mystery.
Despite it being a bit clunky due to its Kinect origin, I believe the game design of D4 does a much better job maximizing the strengths of Swery's characters and storytelling and streamlining the experience for the user.

It's a shame there will never be any additional chapters to finish the story.
 
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adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The question is, would it be a crime to remake it

They can remake it, it won't be the same charming mess it is.

I would much prefer it if the original game, as it is, gets a re-release on current platforms at higher resolution and FPS.
 

TGO

Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
They can remake it, it won't be the same charming mess it is.

I would much prefer it if the original game, as it is, gets a re-release on current platforms at higher resolution and FPS.
I was thinking slightly better graphics to the point of decent models but recognisable and overhaul the environments and lighting.
 

adamsapple

Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Characters and plot are without any exaggeration among the best in the industry, if not the best.

The npcs and the way they live in the town with schedules etc haven't been matched either.

100% agreed. York, Emily, George and Thomas are far better written and MUCH more endearing characters than any game I can think of released in the last bunch of years.
 

RedC

Member
100% agreed. York, Emily, George and Thomas are far better written and MUCH more endearing characters than any game I can think of released in the last bunch of years.
What about D4?

I quite liked the characters in that.
Worst game I completed. I don’t exactly remember what happens but I do distinctly remember thinking the ending being batshit crazy.
Yes, I remember thinking the ending was batshit crazy too.
 
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