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sorta weird that self driving cars are a thing all of a sudden

what do you think of self-driving cars

  • keep that dystopian shit away from me

    Votes: 27 49.1%
  • anything that helps me avoid talking to a real person

    Votes: 20 36.4%
  • idc

    Votes: 8 14.5%

  • Total voters
    55
I feel like I just woke up and suddenly these things were everywhere. they often drive like idiots, usually when it comes to making some turn into a new lane/u turn/turn lane. they'll just freeze up often causing a shit ton of traffic. they'll do other stupid shit like not go if it is a flashing red light, which is supposed to mean you just treat it like a stop sign.

I always thought self driving cars would have a billion barriers, but yeah now they're everywhere. surprised it happened so quickly.

I do appreciate not having to talk to a driver though

what do you think about them
 
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NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt

Biggest Trails Stan
what do you think about them

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Paasei

Member
I never take a taxi, they are too expensive here. But to in the future buy a car that can drive me on it's own, is not something I want.
Why? Simple, I actually enjoy driving myself.
 

Wildebeest

Member
They are maybe trained to be sort of safe in a few streets in California, but if there are roadworks or someone drops something unexpected in the road like a stuffed toy you might get a road accident.
 

dave_d

Member
I feel like I just woke up and suddenly these things were everywhere. they often drive like idiots, usually when it comes to making some turn into a new lane/u turn/turn lane. they'll just freeze up often causing a shit ton of traffic. they'll do other stupid shit like not go if it is a flashing red light, which is supposed to mean you just treat it like a stop sign.

I always thought self driving cars would have a billion barriers, but yeah now they're everywhere. surprised it happened so quickly.

I do appreciate not having to talk to a driver though

what do you think about them
I welcome them. Given how many people would rather do anything else besides drive, like texting, and how bad the average driver is my hope is that they'll get good enough to make things better. (You seriously can't take a turn correctly? That's too hard? I guess knowing what a yield sign means is an advanced driving topic.) My hope is if they take off they can make getting a license much harder. (You'd have to know things like don't stop on train tracks and yes, you speed up when you get on the highway. Most people fail those real life tests.)
 
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Trilobit

Absolutely Cozy
I feel like I just woke up and suddenly these things were everywhere. they often drive like idiots, usually when it comes to making some turn into a new lane/u turn/turn lane. they'll just freeze up often causing a shit ton of traffic. they'll do other stupid shit like not go if it is a flashing red light, which is supposed to mean you just treat it like a stop sign.

I always thought self driving cars would have a billion barriers, but yeah now they're everywhere. surprised it happened so quickly.

I do appreciate not having to talk to a driver though

what do you think about them
What freaks me out about them is that they don't act like people. As a human you can mostly anticipate how others will drive and traffic becomes almost organic. But when you put a robot there then they might become too law-abiding bordering on dangerous.
 

Hugare

Member
Combining self driving with human drivers on the road will never fully work. For it to work, the human element has to be removed.
I agree. But about that ...

I dont see poor people with their cars from the 80's-90's buying a Tesla anytime soon

I really dont know how society will make that jump
 
I agree. But about that ...

I dont see poor people with their cars from the 80's-90's buying a Tesla anytime soon

I really dont know how society will make that jump
However there's nothing stopping a government mandating all cars being driverless at some point, even cheap pieces of shit. Essentially it becoming standard.
 

Hugare

Member
However there's nothing stopping a government mandating all cars being driverless at some point, even cheap pieces of shit. Essentially it becoming standard.
"Your 100k non electric car will be useless from now on, ok?"

"That old car that you use daily for work 'cause you cant afford a newer one? Gone"

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"Your 100k non electric car will be useless from now on, ok?"

"That old car that you use daily for work 'cause you cant afford a newer one? Gone"

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I'm sure there would be some responsible, reasonable solution. Ie trading in your old car for etc.
Can't speak for the USA as USA never seems to do shit like that for their citizens, but if the EU pushes ahead with banning sales of non EVs in the next 10 years they will offer money in for your old car.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
With proper urban planning so folks can drive to a car park, then take a robotaxi into the more pedestrian friendly urban area for shopping and nightlife, I think they will have great value. Whether they are really capable of door to destination from your house (so presumably you won't ever need a car of your own) remains to be seen. Sadly I'm not sure a robotaxi is really cheaper than something like Uber since so much of the cost of uber is shifted to the driver who deals with the car themself versus Uber suddenly having to buy a lot of expensive vehicles and maintain them.

My real fear is that self-driving is juuuuuuuuuust useful enough that my kids never really mature into fully competent drivers themselves and then essentially restrict their lives to where the self-driving options are better. I think folks will cede a lot of control and autonomy without even realizing it when they let robots move them around.
 

DKehoe

Member
I haven't used one myself but I could see it being handy for a long drive where you're just going to be on the same stretch of road for hours at a time and it's just about staying in a lane. I don't think I'd want to use it driving through a city where I'm making far more decisions on a moment-to-moment basis. But I imagine we'll probably reach a stage in the near future where it can be reliably be trusted with that too.
 
until autonomous driving can predict or react to stupid drivers/pedestrians, it won't be a thing.

Uber bet on self driving ever since it first started. It has never made 1 single cent in profit.
 

XXL

Member
I primarily use FSD for driving.

It's amazing and progressing very quickly over the last year or so.

The ignorance surrounding this topic is unreal to me.

It’s the future and you can’t stop progress.
Donald Trump Republicans GIF by Election 2016

It's hilarious watching people become the same people that were super against Computers and Cellphones.

How'd that work out? Lol.
 
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RSLAEV

Member
I haven't been brave enough to ride in one yet but I do look forward to it someday. I remember my wife and I would see one of these Waymo cars a day on average, then I think they got approval to move from a beta phase to actual service and now they're everywhere.
 

ÆMNE22A!C

NO PAIN TRANCE CONTINUE
It's not weird. It's been the plan all along. Even with room temp IQ you all see it's concept barely left kindergarten.

Funnily (??) enough the film Logan has a scene with automated cargo trucks in which it shows how deadly they are.

This is just a trial period before new infrastructure and transportation will be completely re-made in a couple decades (smart city's) and so forth.
 

ÆMNE22A!C

NO PAIN TRANCE CONTINUE
I'd rather they put the Ether back on the periodic table and fuck off with these highly damaging and expensive alternatives like coal/oil/lithium/charging for electricity IE: Power, which, expect for the former two, makes us completely dependent on Corporations whilst paying for 1: those in control and 2: our realm.

/Rant
 

mopspear

Member
It's probably easier to train these things to drive well than to make humans better drivers. This sounds like a joke but it's not. Making a car drive by itself is a lot less work than training or re-training everyone who drives to do better and then never be drunk or distracted.
 
I think they will be terrible. Anything that relies on computers is often incredibly annoying and unreliable. This letter from the head of General Motors to Bill Gates in 2002 sums it up perfectly:

At a recent computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated "if GM had kept up with the technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving $25.00 cars that got 1,000 miles to the gallon."

In response to Bill's comments, General Motors issued the following press release -

If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics -

1. For no reason whatsoever, your car would crash twice a day.

2. Every time they repainted the lines in the road, you would have to buy a new car.

3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason. You would have to pull over to the side of the road, close all of the windows, shut off the car, restart it, and reopen the windows before you could continue. For some reason you would simply accept this.

4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to reinstall the engine.

5. Only one person at a time could use the car unless you bought "car NT", but then you would have to buy more seats.

6. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, was reliable, five times as fast and twice as easy to drive - but would only run on five percent of the roads.

7. The oil, water temperature, and alternator warning lights would all be replaced by a single "General Protection Fault" warning light.

10. The airbag system would ask "are you sure?" before deploying.

11. Occasionally, for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key and grabbed hold of the radio antenna.

12. GM would require all car buyers to also purchase a deluxe set of Rand McNally road maps (now a GM subsidiary), even though they neither need nor want them. Attempting to delete this option would immediately cause the cars performance to diminish by 50% or more. Moreover, GM would become a target for investigation by the Justice Dept.

13. Every time GM introduced a new car, car buyers would have to learn to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car.

14. You'd have to press the "Start" button to turn the engine off.
 

thefool

Member
The average person is a terrible driver, it's actually fantastic we now have systems that can limit how bad they can be. Self driving is still a bit too limited by decades old infrastructure.
 

thefool

Member
yeah about that

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ADAS are decades old technology unrelated to Tesla that have advanced quickly in the last 10 years and have greatly improved roadway safety to the point that level 0 ADA is now mandatory in the EU while level 1 and 2 still need improvement.
 
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jason10mm

Gold Member
yeah about that

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I wonder how many of these stats are influenced by brand averages taking into account the big "safe" (for the occupants) vehicles like SUVs and trucks, which telsa has few to none, helping out the fatalities of the smaller passenger cars, often due to those very SUVs and trucks plowing into them.

The ridiculous power of the tesla likely also contributes, both in getting into trouble the tires can't cover and moving out fast enough that folks used to slower acceleration of incoming cars pull out in front of you because they thought they had more time.
 

dave_d

Member
ADAS are decades old technology unrelated to Tesla that have advanced quickly in the last 10 years and have greatly improved roadway safety to the point that level 0 ADA is now mandatory in the EU while level 1 and 2 still need improvement.
That's the big thing. It's not unreasonable to think self driving cars will continue to get better. However I see no reason to expect the average driver to improve. (The big question is how long will it be, if ever, that a self driving car will be better than the average driver? I can go through all the things I see that average driver fail to perform correctly, it's a lot.)
 

a'la mode

Member
ADAS are decades old technology unrelated to Tesla that have advanced quickly in the last 10 years and have greatly improved roadway safety to the point that level 0 ADA is now mandatory in the EU while level 1 and 2 still need improvement.

Yeah, but FSD (Full Self-Driving) implies that we'd playing on level 5 (or at least 3), but Tesla's "FSD" is actually not even that. It's just a shoddy driving assist being sold as something remarkable. Meanwhile competition is already working on level 4. Self-driving will be here and I'll be all for it, but it won't be Tesla.
 

LordOfChaos

Member
I'd take them if they were cheaper plus prove to be far safer than human, like if it was 10x safer and half the price why not

I haven't seen that outside of self reported company data yet, and for Tesla that's just bulk data that's not normalized for type of road, type of condition etc, not very usable data publicly yet
 

reinking

Gold Member
The problem right now is most cars are have features to assist driving but are not self driving, Unfortunately there are many idiots who think turning on active lane assist and adaptive cruise control means self driving. I am sure we will get there soon enough but we are not there yet.
 

ReBurn

Gold Member
I flew into Phoenix yesterday and I was amazed at how many driverless Waymo taxis there were picking people up and dropping them off. I thought about how cool it was as I got into my Uber driven by a human.
 
The technology is pretty impressive, but I'm not there yet, I just don't trust it. I get it, statistically they're very safe and all that, but my human brain can't accept it (for now).
 

Mr Reasonable

Completely Unreasonable
In a few years time, it'll be interesting to see what the pricing models are. One of the things that has been suggested is that individual car ownership could be reduced because it could be a shared ownership model - because the car doesn't need to be parked (it just goes off to pick up the next person on the schedule or on demand) the cost of having a car sitting idle could end up seeming impractical.

If it just ends up being loads of taxis with fares that you'd pay by the mile, based on similar pricing as it is now, I'm not sure people will want to give up their cars in their day to day lives. There are also questions about supply and demand - the number of cars that are needed at rush hour will always be higher than middle of the day, etc.

I wonder if people will want to give up their freedom to get up and go whenever they feel like it, unless having a shared car is substantially cheaper, effectively making every car a premium item.
 

rm082e

Member
What we have is not really self driving. It's a suite of assists for human drivers. Given the development history of the technology so far, I don't think we will get to true full self driving any time soon (years). I don't this the systems and AI models will be able to reliably handle all the various situations as well as a human.

I'm not interested in it personally. My wife has a newer crossover with all the bells and whistles. The only feature it has that I like is the back-up camera. I hate all the other assistance stuff, all the buttons they have on the steering wheel and dash, etc. It's excess noise that distracts me from paying attention to driving.

By comparison, I have a 20 year old Pilot with simple controls and it has much less distractions. I haven't bothered to put in a back-up camera and screen, but that's the only feature from a new car I wish it had.

P.S. - And lest anyone think I'm just a cranky middle-aged fart, I've been riding along with my 15yo daughter as she learns to drive. She's virtual school, so I'm getting her a lot more hours behind the wheel than I got when I was her age. After driving both cars, she prefers my Pilot over the wife's car for the same reason.
 
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