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Toddler-Ages Thread of Raising a better generation than the last

As a former teacher and OT, I've had a front row seat to the decline of the American child. The prevalence of iPads and iPhones was the final push into irrecoverable territory as children are now entering grade school with the worst focus and the worst fine motor skills. Schools are trying desperately to cater to this new audience by replacing books with iPads and eliminating recess to play catch up educationally.

I'm now a father of a 2-year old and I'm determined to deliver outcome-oriented parenting to my son. Thus the thread...
TODDLER-AGES!

I'm going to give short takes on a few topics and if anybody wants to discuss or debate I can elaborate in the replies.

1. BIRTH. We're going on decades of worsening outcomes surrounding medical births in America. I'd urge all expectant parents to pursue education prior to delivery so they can form a birth plan and seek out the outcomes they desire. Even in medical births, simple things like delayed cord clamping, delayed cleaning, and immediate skin-to-skin contact can give your baby many advantages as they enter the world.

Patience, knowledge, and support surrounding breastfeeding is crucial as well. People get discouraged early and have fear that their baby is starving if they aren't getting immediate milk. Remember that newborns have a tiny stomach and can go for a few days on colostrum alone while a mother's milk comes in. There's a lot of formula propaganda out there because it's a huge industry that throws around a lot of money. We are mammals and the instances of women who truly can't breastfeed are extremely rare.

2. EXPERIENCES OVER SCREENS. One of the best things we've done with our son is prioritize experiences over screens. If the temptation arises to let the TV babysit, we instead put on music or change our surroundings and go outside. Get a toy rotation going and use the dollar store or donations to keep novelty high. You can build a latch board from some wood and locks from home depot. Kids love the outdoors and will play with sticks and rocks and dirt. Turn the hose to a trickle and let your kid go wild. Read books!

The iPad babysitter kills focus and fine motor skills. There are no two ways about it. Almost all kids entering K today fail simple fine motor tests like the ability to hold a pencil. They lack the strength and practice. Shows and games like baby einstein program children with the expectation of something new and frenetic and in-your-face every second. The real world is a bore in comparison making meals, car rides, and school absolutely unbearable for these kids. Instead, talk to your children. Engage them. Teach them to observe and to listen and to have awe and wonder for the world around them. It just takes practice.

3. LOVE AND POSITIVITY. You can't spoil a young child with love. The cry-it-out method of sleep training is horrible for young minds and goes against our nature and against the outcomes of scientific studies done on it. Children need to know their parents are there for them. They need to feel love and comfort. Humans come pre-programmed with fear as a survival instinct, but we live in a generally safe world free from predation. So if your baby wakes up crying in the night go give them a hug and a kiss and put them back down. Like with the TV babysitter I understand the selfish urge surrounding cry-it-out, but I didn't have a kid to be selfish to the detriment of their well-being.

Positive reinforcement is another thing I feel strongly about. My son has such a love affair with learning and I think it's because we both spent time doing things with him and praising his hard word and curiosity. If he ever said or did anything wrong or incorrect, we would praise the attempt and then correct whatever was incorrect. Like the first time he tried to verbally label our dog and said, "COW!". "Good job! That's the dog. I see why you think it's a cow, but that is the dog!".


Whatever you do, do it with intention. Follow the interests and leads of your children. Encourage and love them.
If you have a selfish thought, sit with it for awhile before taking action. Always try to think of what kind of teenager and adult your behaviors and routines are going to create.
 
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TrainedRage

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I refuse to have children. I can't think of any way to justify it. I don't care about some legacy or passing my genes. I would MUCH rather adopt. But I work with kids around 40 hours a week so... Bleh. Good on you parents who are trying to raise them 'better'. I just, I don't know.
 

mrkgoo

Member
Is this the new "Parent-GAF"?

Two kids, primary school (elementary I suppose for those that's speak American) and toddler age here.

Oh my what a wild ride.
 
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Is this the new "Parent-GAF"?

Two kids, primary school (elementary I suppose for those that's speak American) and toddler age here.

Oh my what a wild ride.

It's wild and rewarding for sure.
I'm absolutely at the point of wanting to find a homeschool group based on the regression of outcome-based education in our state and district.

I refuse to have children. I can't think of any way to justify it. I don't care about some legacy or passing my genes. I would MUCH rather adopt. But I work with kids around 40 hours a week so... Bleh. Good on you parents who are trying to raise them 'better'. I just, I don't know.

Yeah, it's tricky. Seven billion humans on the planet and most new births in impoverished countries.
Maybe my meager contribution will help the planet or have a neutral impact. I'm certainly going to work to that end.
 

Corrik

Member
OP is not dark theme friendly.

Me and my fiancee have wildly different ideas on parenting. She goes for up the butt of the kid catering on him hand and foot 24/7.

I am more of the spend time with him but also give him independent time to learn and play on his own.

He has become a terror while around her and is very well behaved around me. It drives her nuts. Lol
 
OP is not dark theme friendly.

Me and my fiancee have wildly different ideas on parenting. She goes for up the butt of the kid catering on him hand and foot 24/7.

I am more of the spend time with him but also give him independent time to learn and play on his own.

He has become a terror while around her and is very well behaved around me. It drives her nuts. Lol


Fixed (hopefully) for the dark theme underclass.

You make a great point about independence. Kids need time for true self-play and autonomy.
We've been ramping this up as ours gets older and now he can go off by himself at the park.

Expectations are high for behavior as well which keeps him from being a terror at Mother's Day Out, out in public, or at friend's houses.
 
OP is not dark theme friendly.

Me and my fiancee have wildly different ideas on parenting. She goes for up the butt of the kid catering on him hand and foot 24/7.

I am more of the spend time with him but also give him independent time to learn and play on his own.

He has become a terror while around her and is very well behaved around me. It drives her nuts. Lol
My wife and I are very different. She counts to 5. For me, it’s your ass at 1.

I give my kids anything as long as they do what they have to. They really test the boundaries with my wife tho.
 

greyshark

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Still not able to see most of the content with dark theme.

Parent of a 2 year old with another on the way - has been a crazy ride to this point. I've tried to follow through as much as possible with my "threats", and that's seemed to help his boundary testing to this point.
 
Still not able to see most of the content with dark theme.

Parent of a 2 year old with another on the way - has been a crazy ride to this point. I've tried to follow through as much as possible with my "threats", and that's seemed to help his boundary testing to this point.

Okay I think I fixed it for real.
Love your thoughts and how your parenting differs.

God speed to you with number two. I don't think I could do it without seriously depleting myself to the point of not being a great parent anymore. I know other families who can handle 3 with no issues. One of our friends said 3 was easier than 2. No idea how that works, but hey!
 

VAL0R

Banned
I have seven children ages 2-14. I love them all to pieces and see them as beautiful blessings and gifts from God. They are very well behaved because we are a loving Christian household that believes in discipline. My wife and I have demanded respect and obedience since day one and so we have peace and order. The youngest now look to the oldest who are obedient and it reinforces to them that this is how the world works. Babies/toddlers are hardest because they aren't rational and don't understand commands and rules. Once they are old enough to understand, I don't allow willful disobedience. They don't tell me "no!" Ever. I see some kids telling their mom "I hate you!" and the like and to me this is sheer avoidable madness. My little 4 year old, for example, thinks his mother is the greatest thing that walks on two legs and loves her to bits, but he would never tell her, "no!" and have a fit. He's learned that fits are just not acceptable and will be dealt with swiftly.

We homeschool, but we are probably going to send 3-4 of the younger ones to a local Catholic school next year.
 
I have seven children ages 2-14. I love them all to pieces and see them as beautiful blessings and gifts from God. They are very well behaved because we are a loving Christian household that believes in discipline. My wife and I have demanded respect and obedience since day one and so we have peace and order. The youngest now look to the oldest who are obedient and it reinforces to them that this is how the world works. Babies/toddlers are hardest because they aren't rational and don't understand commands and rules. Once they are old enough to understand, I don't allow willful disobedience. They don't tell me "no!" Ever. I see some kids telling their mom "I hate you!" and the like and to me this is sheer avoidable madness. My little 4 year old, for example, thinks his mother is the greatest thing that walks on two legs and loves her to bits, but he would never tell her, "no!" and have a fit. He's learned that fits are just not acceptable and will be dealt with swiftly.

We homeschool, but we are probably going to send 3-4 of the younger ones to a local Catholic school next year.

I have to ask, how do you deal with insubordination? That's the key component your post is missing.
I'm especially curious because my 2-year old is getting willful and testing boundaries, but I also refuse to strike him.
Looking for alternatives if you have any.
 

lachesis

Member
Miss those toddler days... my kid is 10, turning 11 in coming may. Jr High coming up... and oh boy. How things turn so quickly...
 

greyshark

Member
I have to ask, how do you deal with insubordination? That's the key component your post is missing.
I'm especially curious because my 2-year old is getting willful and testing boundaries, but I also refuse to strike him.
Looking for alternatives if you have any.

I don't plan to ever hit my children - obviously I'm just starting out but I'd like to think there's always an alternative to get your point across.
 
I don't plan to ever hit my children - obviously I'm just starting out but I'd like to think there's always an alternative to get your point across.

It's simply the black hole between him being a baby and being a kid capable of reason that's the struggle. I've even heard time-out is detrimental, but I wonder if that's for older children. Right now I'm desperately trying to promote kindness and redirect any anger or mischief. It's tough.
 

greyshark

Member
It's simply the black hole between him being a baby and being a kid capable of reason that's the struggle. I've even heard time-out is detrimental, but I wonder if that's for older children. Right now I'm desperately trying to promote kindness and redirect any anger or mischief. It's tough.

I've heard the same but I've used time outs sparingly to this point. It's worked well so far - I don't get a sense of abandonment from him afterwards. I usually do it for between 1-2 minutes at a time.
 
Same. I've heard a minute per year they are alive and to be present with them.
It doesn't help that my son's brain is running at full tilt during all waking hours. I can't even imagine how hard it must be to grow physically and mentally.
 
I still remember almost every year of my childhood. I would not want to put myself or anybody else through what I put my parents and others around me through. Until robot nannies are a thing, I'm afraid I'll pass.
 
The iPad babysitter kills focus and fine motor skills. There are no two ways about it. Almost all kids entering K today fail simple fine motor tests like the ability to hold a pencil. They lack the strength and practice. Shows and games like baby einstein program children with the expectation of something new and frenetic and in-your-face every second. The real world is a bore in comparison making meals, car rides, and school absolutely unbearable for these kids. Instead, talk to your children. Engage them. Teach them to observe and to listen and to have awe and wonder for the world around them. It just takes practice.
lol wat

Zero mentioning of coloring is suspect.

"THESE IPADS ARE THROWING CRAYONS IN THE TRASH AND STEALING DRAWING PAPER FROM THE PARENTS IT'S A GOSHDARN CRIMEWAVE"
 
lol wat

Zero mentioning of coloring is suspect.

"THESE IPADS ARE THROWING CRAYONS IN THE TRASH AND STEALING DRAWING PAPER FROM THE PARENTS IT'S A GOSHDARN CRIMEWAVE"

What is your criticism? As a former OT there's no doubt in my mind that tablets and phones are killing children's ability to interact with the world properly.
 
What is your criticism?
Technology-blaming as-an-absolute is foolish.
Your argument should be that parents are significantly misusing the tablet technology in large numbers.
If tablets themselves were a root cause of stunting growth, then one could also say raising children on television, an inferior medium, would have done equal or more intelligence damage to entire generations. I cite evidence millennials will be the most educated generation to date.

~ The iPads require fine motor skills to operate in any meaningful capacity. I cite examples of many apps that would naturally train this. I cite evidence the American Academy of Pediatrics want 2-5 years olds to limit media to one hour a day, choose high quality items, and parents are to do it alongside their kids. Meaning, using tablet as a babysitter is irresponsibly misusing the technology. At older ages, using educational apps and tech are not to count against screen time restrictions imposed by parents.
~ A parent's choice to fail to select activities for the child like coloring, drawing, playing outside, etc. is a failure of the guardian, not of the technology. The rise of mainstream tablets correlating to failing children development skills is not causation. If the parent is not regularly exposing the child to coloring or other activities in the home, this is not the iPad's fault that fine motor skills were not developed.

You could have been more effective during your career by researching the good education apps and encouraging parents to install and use those on tablets instead of parents aimlessly defaulting to YouTube (Kids). Because I cite evidence that over 60% of users have never downloaded an app, and over 80% of those that do have never searched for apps beyond the Top 50. This total lack of intellectual curiosity to harness the educational capabilities of handheld computers paired with undiciplined, reckless screen time is a root cause to your observed problems. These are similar problems generations of television-watchers grew up with. They turned out fine. You are experiencing an increase of lazy parents or everything is already fine and you can quell the urgency of your observations.
 

greyshark

Member
As with just about everything moderation is the key. Just parking your kid in front of the tv or iPad is not going to help their development, but killing yourself preventing any and all contact with technology won't be healthy for either of you as well.
 

Big4reel

Member
Kids might be cool and all but I am very short tempered and im not someone that has lots of time

I don`t want things to end bad so I`m not sure if I can raise a baby....maybe I`ll just adopt later in life
 

Bryank75

Banned
My son finished Apotheon yesterday and started to get emotional with the achievement. First game he ever finished.
 
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