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Doctor Who |OT| Pre-Series 8 Discussion - He's A-Coming

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Wait.. has the Sonic Screwdriver ever been a weapon? I know The Doctor has used it to set other things off.. but I don't recall if it's ever directly been a weapon.

"They're scientific instruments, not a water pistols"

IIRC they are used occasionally to disable Cybermen/Daleks, but never outright as a weapon. The Master has his own twisted version, The Laser Screwdriver, which could vaporise fools though.
 
Wait.. has the Sonic Screwdriver ever been a weapon? I know The Doctor has used it to set other things off.. but I don't recall if it's ever directly been a weapon.

It's a little unclear what exactly it's doing but the Doctor points his screwdriver like a gun when fighting the Silence in the two-parter "Impossible Astronaut" and "Day of the Moon", the first episodes of series 6. More recently he used it to produce some kind of forcefield (looked kinda like a patronus, to be honest) in Clara's second episode - The Rings of Akhaten.

Even more recently, though, Matt Smith and/or David Tennant brandished the screwdriver like a gun at William Hurt who responded by saying "What are you going to do with that, assemble a cabinet at me? It's a screwdriver!" Which would imply it has no offensive capabilities.

It's confusing.
 
It's a little unclear what exactly it's doing but the Doctor points his screwdriver like a gun when fighting the Silence in the two-parter "Impossible Astronaut" and "Day of the Moon", the first episodes of series 6. More recently he used it to produce some kind of forcefield (looked kinda like a patronus, to be honest) in Clara's second episode - The Rings of Akhaten.

Even more recently, though, Matt Smith and/or David Tennant brandished the screwdriver like a gun at William Hurt who responded by saying "What are you going to do with that, assemble a cabinet at me? It's a screwdriver!" Which would imply it has no offensive capabilities.

It's confusing.

In The Silence case I took it to mean him disabling computer systems/lights/whatever. It also just gives him something to do visually whilst River does her cowgirl thing.
 
In The Silence case I took it to mean him disabling computer systems/lights/whatever. It also just gives him something to do visually whilst River does her cowgirl thing.

Maybe, it bothered me at the time because I assumed it was some sort of weapon. It also bothered me how comfortable he was with River just straight up shooting everybody, but then later he induces planet-wide genocide (band name?) of the Silence by hypnotically suggesting that every human on earth kill them with whatever they had handy... So I guess shooting one or two of them isn't that bad.

Sometimes I don't understand Moffat...
 

gabbo

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It's a little unclear what exactly it's doing but the Doctor points his screwdriver like a gun when fighting the Silence in the two-parter "Impossible Astronaut" and "Day of the Moon", the first episodes of series 6. More recently he used it to produce some kind of forcefield (looked kinda like a patronus, to be honest) in Clara's second episode - The Rings of Akhaten.

Even more recently, though, Matt Smith and/or David Tennant brandished the screwdriver like a gun at William Hurt who responded by saying "What are you going to do with that, assemble a cabinet at me? It's a screwdriver!" Which would imply it has no offensive capabilities.

It's confusing.

Doesn't Smith's Doctor make some offhand quip about it just looking cool/looking like a weapon, even though it doesn't do squat?
 

maharg

idspispopd
I'd say new who is fantasy (more akin to Star Wars)... classic who is definitely sci fi (more akin to Star Trek).

Star Trek and Who (both classic) are far too varied for this. They're genre-hopping anthology, but always Genre with a capital G. Which includes SF, fantasy, horror (gothic and non-gothic), etc.
 
Maybe, it bothered me at the time because I assumed it was some sort of weapon. It also bothered me how comfortable he was with River just straight up shooting everybody, but then later he induces planet-wide genocide (band name?) of the Silence by hypnotically suggesting that every human on earth kill them with whatever they had handy... So I guess shooting one or two of them isn't that bad.

Sometimes I don't understand Moffat...
The idea wasn't that the Silence would be all massacred, it was to make Earth totally unliveable for them so they had to leave.

It was throwing the Romans out of Rome, not massacring them. We know that they have the capability to leave.
 

Hcoregamer00

The 'H' stands for hentai.

No shock, from what I hear so far Series 8 seems to be up there with some of the best Who stuff. Peter Capaldi has quite a bit to get over (Ageism and replacing a very popular doctor), so it makes sense that they are bringing their A-game to ensure that the Capaldi Era will be a memorable one.
 

Pikawil

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To crib from Marvel Comics' playbook: "The Master is dead. Long live the Superior Doctor Who!"

"I'll be a better Doctor than you ever were"

*Populates Earth with Time Lord/Human hybrids, permanently destroys the Daleks*
*Cybermen come and destroy everything the Superior Doctor Who has ever created and he can't do crap about it*

"I'm no Doctor. Doctor, you truly are the Superior Doctor Who."

*surrenders himself to the Doctor without a fight, Doctor wrecks everything the Cybermen have done*
 
Given it's inherently non-canon, I want *ALL* the Doctors. I want both Hartnell *and* Hurndall (looking not quite right), I want Curse of Fatal Death Rowan Atkinson, Richard E Grant (and Shalka Richard E Grant too!), Jim Broadbent, Hugh Grant, Joanna Lumley. I want several Masters, including Shambling Cadaver Master. I want LEGO Torchwood, where they can just completely riff on the absurdity of the flirtiness. I want Kamelion, I want K-9, I want Mickey *and* Ricky. I want the Special Weapons Dalek, I want the Kandyman

Also: What the hell does a Lego Auton comprise of?

(And I think I'd quite like it written in the spirit of The Fiveish Doctors)

This man knows what he wants, an I want the same thing as him.


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You're a wizard, Hartnell.
 

Westlo

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*Cybermen come and destroy everything the Superior Doctor Who has ever created and he can't do crap about it*

"I'm no Doctor. Doctor, you truly are the Superior Doctor Who."

*surrenders himself to the Doctor without a fight, Doctor wrecks everything the Cybermen have done*

lol

please tell me that's not how the superior run ends, oh well should still be a good read once it's all out on marvel unlimited.
 
I find it hard to be cynical about a new sitcom where the leads are a Scottish girl and an Asian-American man

(OK, she'll definitely be putting on an accent, w/e)
 
Familiar face to the right of her too.

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Harewood was WASTED in that episode. Fuck.

Even RTD himself admitted that in The Writers Tale. He also said that he'd have been on his list for 11, or a new Master, had he been casting it. He would've been fascinating in that respect.

Hermione Norris has been cast in Series 8, via the official Doctor Who twitter. Wartime nurse, by the looks. She's a great actress. US folks who might not know her, she very, very often plays real hard-ass, badass women on UK TV. She played an incredible sort of female Jack Bauer in the BBC's 'take' on the 24 formula.

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Ambient80

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It's a little unclear what exactly it's doing but the Doctor points his screwdriver like a gun when fighting the Silence in the two-parter "Impossible Astronaut" and "Day of the Moon", the first episodes of series 6. More recently he used it to produce some kind of forcefield (looked kinda like a patronus, to be honest) in Clara's second episode - The Rings of Akhaten.

Even more recently, though, Matt Smith and/or David Tennant brandished the screwdriver like a gun at William Hurt who responded by saying "What are you going to do with that, assemble a cabinet at me? It's a screwdriver!" Which would imply it has no offensive capabilities.

It's confusing.

I think in 'Rings' it worked because the monsters he was fighting against were using sound as a weapon, so since the Sonic is a sound-oriented device, he was able to use it to hold them off. That was actually an episode where everything the Sonic did made sense because it all revolved around sounds/music, at least until the end.
 
Ellis George on that cast list is interesting...

She's playing a kid from Coal Hill School in episode 6, and had her own chair on set. That she's appearing in an episode set in an entirely different location suggests to me that she TARDIS travels at least once.
Does that mean the Doctor's literally returning to Sarn, or is Moffat being cheeky? I imagine it's the latter, but you never know with some of the more recent throwbacks.
There were scenes set in ACTUAL Lanzarote in Planet of Fire, too, so I wouldn't assume that.
 
They're filming in Lanzarote again, for the first time since Planet of Fire. Interesting bit from Moffat:



Does that mean the Doctor's literally returning to Sarn, or is Moffat being cheeky? I imagine it's the latter, but you never know with some of the more recent throwbacks.

"Scene". It's really hard to tell. Curse you, Moffat.
 
Nothing to say the past adventure has to be Planet of Fire. Besides,
the inhabitants of Sarn mostly all left at the end of the story apart from a few of the Elders
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or Turlough

Or better still, it's set in Lanzarote and Clara
wears a pink bikini
she finds in the TARDIS.
 
Ellis George on that cast list is interesting...

She's playing a kid from Coal Hill School in episode 6, and had her own chair on set. That she's appearing in an episode set in an entirely different location suggests to me that she TARDIS travels at least once.

Wish Moffat would drop the kids. It was cute with young Amy, given the plot connection, and admittedly it was rather brilliant with Reinette and the girl in the Library, but it's turning into this bizarre Phantom Menace situation where he needs to be reminded kids do not necessarily instantly relate more to other children; in fact, often, kids prefer to watch adults rather than other kids.

Thank god he didn't get his way with Series 7 and we didn't get lumbered with Clara's bloody 'kids' for four or five episodes. That falling through was the best possible result.
 

Loke13

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Wish Moffat would drop the kids. It was cute with young Amy, given the plot connection, and admittedly it was rather brilliant with Reinette and the girl in the Library, but it's turning into this bizarre Phantom Menace situation where he needs to be reminded kids do not necessarily instantly relate more to other children; in fact, often, kids prefer to watch adults rather than other kids.

Thank god he didn't get his way with Series 7 and we didn't get lumbered with Clara's bloody 'kids' for four or five episodes. That falling through was the best possible result.
Are most of those even Moffat directed episodes?
 

Dryk

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It's a little unclear what exactly it's doing but the Doctor points his screwdriver like a gun when fighting the Silence in the two-parter "Impossible Astronaut" and "Day of the Moon", the first episodes of series 6. More recently he used it to produce some kind of forcefield (looked kinda like a patronus, to be honest) in Clara's second episode - The Rings of Akhaten.

Even more recently, though, Matt Smith and/or David Tennant brandished the screwdriver like a gun at William Hurt who responded by saying "What are you going to do with that, assemble a cabinet at me? It's a screwdriver!" Which would imply it has no offensive capabilities.

It's confusing.
I seem to remember a throwaway line that implied he was using it to make their shots backfire and zap them or something I dunno
 
I just finished season 2, and I'm pretty underwhelmed. So far I feel like I'm watching a bad show with some good moments. My friends keep pushing me to watch more....I might write an LTTP once I catch up.
 
I just finished season 2, and I'm pretty underwhelmed. So far I feel like I'm watching a bad show with some good moments. My friends keep pushing me to watch more....I might write an LTTP once I catch up.

There's a definite and huge uptick in budget and quality from where you are now. I'd say you're over the hump, the bumpy bit of the ride. Stick to it, let us know how you feel about it!

Are most of those even Moffat directed episodes?

Kids are, generally speaking, a strong running theme that he likes to use, yeah. All of the RTD-era episodes I evoked are written by Moffat, and his fingerprints are on all episodes of everything from Series 5 on.

Obviously The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances is all about a teenage mother and her young son, and features a ragtag gang of kids.

The Girl in the Fireplace focuses on the Doctor meeting a girl as a child, then again later in her life, the childhood encounter having a profound effect on her.

Blink actually doesn't feature any kids, but it is worth noting that Moffat adapted it from a short story he wrote called "What I did in my Summer Holidays, by Sally Sparrow." That was a ninth Doctor story, is basically structurally the same as Blink at its base level. In it, Sally Sparrow is 12 years old and, again, gets a glimpse at her own post-Doctor future, significantly changed by her encounter with him as a young girl.

Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead features CAL, Charlotte, the little girl trapped 'inside the TV' with a slightly hapless dad and the creepy Doctor Moon. Again, the Doctor appears to her through her TV (as in Blink) and interacts with her.

Amy's story is ultimately a sort of culmination of the stories expressed in the previous three Moffat episodes, but explored across multiple series and episodes with young Amelia.

There's obviously lots of stuff with young kids outside of Amelia, too, like the kids in The Beast Below and such.

Moffat's original intention for Series 7 was for Clara to not die in the Christmas episode. It would've been that Clara who travelled with the Doctor, the second one we meet. The production team got cold feet about a non-contemporary companion at some point and then adjusted Christmas so she'd die, and he then meets her in the present day.

The original plan was for the brother & sister duo from Victorian London to come on travels with the Doctor and Clara and feature in 3 or 4 episodes in Series 7b. If you wonder why they return to Victorian London so fast after the Christmas episode with The Crimson Horror, it's because when S7 was mapped out, The Crimson Horror would've been Clara's traditional 'return home' episode, where she checks in on her real life. The series was at a point where planning had got to a point where they couldn't change the episode when they made the modern Clara switch, so they kept it. One of the losses from that episode was presumably the kids, which is why the cliffhanger leading into the Cyberman episode is so tacked-on.

They probably would've yanked the kids from the Cyberman episode too, but Gaiman is an incredibly busy man and likely didn't have time for the massive rewrites, so they worked it in. The original plan for Series 7, though, Moffat has said in DWM, was for the kids to have a much larger role.

On that topic: It doesn't really matter too much what Moffat wrote, he oversees the entire series. That's his job. For instance, Gaiman didn't choose to use the kids, Moffat told him "Clara, the two kids she's a nanny for, Cybermen, an in-universe explanation for a new Cyberman design." Gaiman then worked with that. When Gaiman returned his script, Moffat read it and wanted, for instance, more abilities added to the Cybermen. So the bit where they remove their heads and detach their hands was Moffat's, not Gaiman's, for instance. This is standard practice.

Aaanyway, I don't really mind the kids as a one-off thing, I'm just not really a fan of kids travelling in the TARDIS, as I often think giving child characters something to do or putting them in jeopardy is just a waste of script space in many cases when the episode could function perfectly well without them.
 

Bluth54

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More recently he used it to produce some kind of forcefield (looked kinda like a patronus, to be honest) in Clara's second episode - The Rings of Akhaten.

They did say the monsters/aliens in Rings of Akhaten were sound/sonic based in the episode, so I'm guessing the Sonic was able to do a lot of things to protect him/fight against the monsters that wouldn't work on other aliens.
 
I think in 'Rings' it worked because the monsters he was fighting against were using sound as a weapon, so since the Sonic is a sound-oriented device, he was able to use it to hold them off. That was actually an episode where everything the Sonic did made sense because it all revolved around sounds/music, at least until the end.

And apparently you have to put a lot of effort into using the Sonic Screwdriver. At least, that's what The Doctor showed us when he was struggling to keep that door open.
 
Couple of shots from Claire Pritchard, one of the make-up artists out on location:

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And to compare:

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So we can definitely confirm they've returned....to Lanzerote.
 

DarkFlow

Banned
I've recently caught up with all my missed Who.

Is it blasphemy at this stage to say that I wasn't overly impressed with Capaldi?

Granted, he only had a few lines and less than a minute (?) of on screen time. But, shit. I just didn't like the way he moved. Or spoke.

I'd be down with a fake-doctor-is-master-real-doctor-reveal-later arc.

I thought Matt Smith was a turd the first time I saw him, and well I was wrong about that.
 

GJS

Member
Even RTD himself admitted that in The Writers Tale. He also said that he'd have been on his list for 11, or a new Master, had he been casting it. He would've been fascinating in that respect.

Hermione Norris has been cast in Series 8, via the official Doctor Who twitter. Wartime nurse, by the looks. She's a great actress. US folks who might not know her, she very, very often plays real hard-ass, badass women on UK TV. She played an incredible sort of female Jack Bauer in the BBC's 'take' on the 24 formula.

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That's just a shot they have taken from the show she is in which just finished airing. The Crimson Field http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01tlxzb, I thought it was pretty good.
 
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