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Doctor Who |OT| Pre-Series 8 Discussion - He's A-Coming

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RetroMG

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Wait, what? They just took a Dalek TARDIS to get home at the end of "the Chase", had a happy montage of ordinary Earth life and that was it. There was nothing onscreen to imbue them with any special powers.

Nope. But at the end of a RTD-penned episode of Sarah Jane Adventures, (Death of the Doctor) Sarah is explaining that she's looked up several of the Doctor's companions, and she specifically calls out Barbara and Ian as not having aged a day in 40 years. So, whatever the in-universe reason, it appears to be something that has happened.

EDIT: Here's the exact quote:

"There’s a woman called Tegan in Australia, fighting for Aboriginal rights. There’s Ben and Polly, in India, running an orphanage there. There was Harry. Oh, I loved Harry. He was a doctor, he did such good work with vaccines. He saved thousands of lives. There was a Dorothy something. She runs that company, A Charitable Earth. She’s ...raised billions. And this couple in Cambridge. Both professors. Ian and Barbara Chesterton. Rumour has it, they’ve never aged. Not since the sixties. I wonder… echoes of the Doctor, all over the world. With friends like us, he’s never going to die, is he?"
 
Matt Smith slightly Jealous over Capaldi and Series 8

Matt Smith has admitted that he is a little envious of Peter Capaldi after he heard exactly what Steven Moffat has cooked up for Series 8 of Doctor Who.

Speaking at the recent Calgary Expo panel, Smith said: “I rang Steven Moffat up the other day and found out everything about the new series. It sounds really good! I was really jealous actually.”

Smith said that he has felt the odd tinge of regret since his departure: “You never really think you’re going to leave and then it comes and you’re like ‘Oh no. What am I doing? Why have I left?’ There’s a lot of that.”


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Nope. But at the end of a RTD-penned episode of Sarah Jane Adventures, (Death of the Doctor) Sarah is explaining that she's looked up several of the Doctor's companions, and she specifically calls out Barbara and Ian as not having aged a day in 40 years. So, whatever the in-universe reason, it appears to be something that has happened.

EDIT: Here's the exact quote:

"There’s a woman called Tegan in Australia, fighting for Aboriginal rights. There’s Ben and Polly, in India, running an orphanage there. There was Harry. Oh, I loved Harry. He was a doctor, he did such good work with vaccines. He saved thousands of lives. There was a Dorothy something. She runs that company, A Charitable Earth. She’s ...raised billions. And this couple in Cambridge. Both professors. Ian and Barbara Chesterton. Rumour has it, they’ve never aged. Not since the sixties. I wonder… echoes of the Doctor, all over the world. With friends like us, he’s never going to die, is he?"

was this a deleted scene?
"There was some guy called Adric, but I don't know what he's up to but I hear he once made quite an impact on the dinosaurs"
 

M.Bluth

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Is that Ian and Barbara bit a reference to immortality, or a retcon of the year they materialized on earth after they left the Doctor...?
 

tuffy

Member
Is that Ian and Barbara bit a reference to immortality, or a retcon of the year they materialized on earth after they left the Doctor...?
I'm pretty sure they did explicitly arrive in 1965 - a couple years after they left - by verifying it with a newspaper or some such thing. Having them time-traveled from that present into the future makes it much easier to explain the "how" of non-aging since that's built into the show, but the "why" would remain a mystery.
 
I think you could probably just write that down to them visiting modern day Earth with the Doctor at some point, and that's where the rumor of them not aging came from.
 

Trike

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I think you could probably just write that down to them visiting modern day Earth with the Doctor at some point, and that's where the rumor of them not aging came from.

Wouldn't make sense considering Ian has apparently been working there for at least 50 years. In Day of the Doctor his name is on the Coal Hill School sign as the Chairman of the Governors.
 
If they bring the Time Lords back soon, I would hope to see Maxil (played by Baker) as well as Romana (played by Ward, and if Big Finish hasn't done it yet, regenerating into Juliet Landau).

BF have already done exactly that. Gallifrey series box 6 and the companion chronicle Luna Romana.
 
Was it ever explained why they're immortal? I didn't watch much of classic Who.

Not officially as far as I know. But they were aboard a tardis when it was malfunctioning (well, moreso then usual) for a long time, so they'd probably go with something something tardis temporal energy if it ever comes up.
 
It's funny, I really liked how in the 50th they didn't feel the need to go too hard on classic or New Who, really. Like, it doesn't really reference that much from New-Who either, just the war... which technically isn't part of the show. Or wasn't up until that point.

In a sense, I feel like the trinity of Hurt, Tennant and Smith ended up representing the present, the Classic, RTD and Moffat eras perfectly. It would've been a different story had Eccleston said yes, obviously.

In theory, I feel the War, 10, and 11 trifecta should have worked, but for me, it just didn't click. I felt disappointed by Hurt's character. While Hurt did a good job with what he was given, what he was given wasn't very good. The character felt bland, due to the lack of characterization given to him. He was also somewhat of a letdown considering his appearance in TNOTD. He was built up as the Doctor's greatest secret, but then it turns out that this great 'secret' is... something he's revealed to many people throughout the series. I wish they hadn't built him up and gave him actual characterization (something I'm hopeful the book will do) as he just felt like a template for a Doctor that the BBC would use before they etch out the specific details on the character. My personal preference in that case would be that McGann's Eighth Doctor was used instead of the War Doctor (Oh, and if you think he's too nice and soft to end the Time War, listen to the end of To The Death, which shows why McGann should have been the War Doctor).

I also feel that, as the 50th is... you know... a celebration of 50 years of Doctor Who, that all the living Doctors should have made appearances, even if only in cameos. I love the bit with Baker, and McGann makes NOTD one of my favourite parts of the 50th (As I haven't read the comics, it goes: Fivish Doctors = TLATE -> NOTD = AISAT ------> DOTD). I only wish Davison, other Baker, and McCoy also had cameos, as all three actors are still involved in Doctor Who, as is William Russell. I feel they should have been included, in some part or another, and I'm worried that by the time they have the chance to be, it will be too late to get them back into the show, like Nicholas Courtney and the Brigadier (*sniff*)

Again, that is just my opinion. I only complain about the TDOTD as 1. The other parts of the 50th were better and 2. It was so close to being great in my opinion. I liked the special, but there were just so many moments which, if done differently, could have changed it from Good to Great. Also, for your Ian reference, could you link the interview where Moffat says he's going in that direction. The thing with the apparent immortality is that it's not set in stone... yet. Sarah only claimed that they never aged in that episode, and so it could be easily retconned by a future showrunner.
 
In theory, I feel the War, 10, and 11 trifecta should have worked, but for me, it just didn't click. I felt disappointed by Hurt's character. While Hurt did a good job with what he was given, what he was given wasn't very good. The character felt bland, due to the lack of characterization given to him. He was also somewhat of a letdown considering his appearance in TNOTD. He was built up as the Doctor's greatest secret, but then it turns out that this great 'secret' is... something he's revealed to many people throughout the series. I wish they hadn't built him up and gave him actual characterization (something I'm hopeful the book will do) as he just felt like a template for a Doctor that the BBC would use before they etch out the specific details on the character. My personal preference in that case would be that McGann's Eighth Doctor was used instead of the War Doctor (Oh, and if you think he's too nice and soft to end the Time War, listen to the end of To The Death, which shows why McGann should have been the War Doctor).

I also feel that, as the 50th is... you know... a celebration of 50 years of Doctor Who, that all the living Doctors should have made appearances, even if only in cameos. I love the bit with Baker, and McGann makes NOTD one of my favourite parts of the 50th (As I haven't read the comics, it goes: Fivish Doctors = TLATE -> NOTD = AISAT ------> DOTD). I only wish Davison, other Baker, and McCoy also had cameos, as all three actors are still involved in Doctor Who, as is William Russell. I feel they should have been included, in some part or another, and I'm worried that by the time they have the chance to be, it will be too late to get them back into the show, like Nicholas Courtney and the Brigadier (*sniff*)

Again, that is just my opinion. I only complain about the TDOTD as 1. The other parts of the 50th were better and 2. It was so close to being great in my opinion. I liked the special, but there were just so many moments which, if done differently, could have changed it from Good to Great. Also, for your Ian reference, could you link the interview where Moffat says he's going in that direction. The thing with the apparent immortality is that it's not set in stone... yet. Sarah only claimed that they never aged in that episode, and so it could be easily retconned by a future showrunner.

Don't have time to track it down this morning, but it was at the Excel expo or somewhere, a day or two before DOTD aired. He was saying as how he reviewed the facts of who was available, the plot started forming in his mind. And he basically said he wasn't really sure what to say/do about Susan, and how Barbara's actress has passed on and Ian's is an old man now, and besides, there's something weird going on with them I don't want to contradict based on Sarah Jane Adventures... and speaking of her, Liz is sadly gone, or else she would've been somebody to try to find a place for, given modern kids already know her as much as 70s kids. I think it was the same part (or at least came out at the same time) that he was saying if you were going to have a classic series Doctor back, the only one you'd REALLY want back is Hartnell, which is obviously impossible.

That's me adlibbing, but that was the gist of it. I'll find and post the actual quote later.

I'm still fairly disappointed they didn't record new dialogue - one line, for christs' sakes - for the old Doctors, really, pairing that with the old footage. So I'll agree with you there. I'm not too keen on them appearing as other people, though. Just feels a bit too kitschy. Tom was enough - if it'd been all of them, throughout, the impact and specialness of that would've been dampened. At least Russell got his cameo in An Adventure in Space & Time.

In my mind, I can't imagine the 50th being about anything else, and in that story, it would've been difficult to find space for older Doctors or companions in any other way. There's some lovely meat there, though. Like, I really like how the production team photoshopped various companions we never see on-screen together for some of the photos in the Black Archive, a quiet, nudging suggestion to all those adventures we never see on-screen. I love things like that.

And, yeah - Light at the End is fantastic, so there's that, as far as classic Doctors go. Though I do always feel like Tom isn't trying at all in those audios, and it sort of becomes more obvious when you sit him next to the other four, who obviously do.
 

Bluth54

Member
I would love to see the older actors who played the Doctor come back to the show in the next few years. I don't really want to see them playing the Doctor, they all look too old for that, but I would love to see them in different roles, much like they did with Tom Baker in the 50th, or Brent Spiner in Star Trek Enterprise.

I think it would be a great way to get some extra press for the episodes and draw in extra viewers almost in the same way a multi-Doctor story would but without the multi-Doctors.
 
ooo, hot on the heels of the Ghostbuster set created by Gaffer wetwired and going on sale soon, these two sets have now gone to review and hopefully will be accepted.

I really hope they get approved.

Set One

https://ideas.lego.com/projects/16291
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Set Two

https://ideas.lego.com/projects/59181
 
Fan-made minifigs always look a little off. Hopefully it'll get made as a non-CUSOO, multiple set product, just so we can get that multi-Doctor Lego WHO game I dream of.
 
In theory, I feel the War, 10, and 11 trifecta should have worked, but for me, it just didn't click. I felt disappointed by Hurt's character. While Hurt did a good job with what he was given, what he was given wasn't very good. The character felt bland, due to the lack of characterization given to him. He was also somewhat of a letdown considering his appearance in TNOTD. He was built up as the Doctor's greatest secret, but then it turns out that this great 'secret' is... something he's revealed to many people throughout the series. I wish they hadn't built him up and gave him actual characterization (something I'm hopeful the book will do) as he just felt like a template for a Doctor that the BBC would use before they etch out the specific details on the character. My personal preference in that case would be that McGann's Eighth Doctor was used instead of the War Doctor (Oh, and if you think he's too nice and soft to end the Time War, listen to the end of To The Death, which shows why McGann should have been the War Doctor).

I also feel that, as the 50th is... you know... a celebration of 50 years of Doctor Who, that all the living Doctors should have made appearances, even if only in cameos. I love the bit with Baker, and McGann makes NOTD one of my favourite parts of the 50th (As I haven't read the comics, it goes: Fivish Doctors = TLATE -> NOTD = AISAT ------> DOTD). I only wish Davison, other Baker, and McCoy also had cameos, as all three actors are still involved in Doctor Who, as is William Russell. I feel they should have been included, in some part or another, and I'm worried that by the time they have the chance to be, it will be too late to get them back into the show, like Nicholas Courtney and the Brigadier (*sniff*)

Again, that is just my opinion. I only complain about the TDOTD as 1. The other parts of the 50th were better and 2. It was so close to being great in my opinion. I liked the special, but there were just so many moments which, if done differently, could have changed it from Good to Great. Also, for your Ian reference, could you link the interview where Moffat says he's going in that direction. The thing with the apparent immortality is that it's not set in stone... yet. Sarah only claimed that they never aged in that episode, and so it could be easily retconned by a future showrunner.

I would love to see the older actors who played the Doctor come back to the show in the next few years. I don't really want to see them playing the Doctor, they all look too old for that, but I would love to see them in different roles, much like they did with Tom Baker in the 50th, or Brent Spiner in Star Trek Enterprise.

I think it would be a great way to get some extra press for the episodes and draw in extra viewers almost in the same way a multi-Doctor story would but without the multi-Doctors.

What they could have done, fairly easily was for 5, 6, 7 and 8 have a couple of lines of dialogue newly recorded for that bit at the end when all 13 of them are there.
 
ooo, hot on the heels of the Ghostbuster set created by Gaffer wetwired and going on sale soon, these two sets have now gone to review and hopefully will be accepted.

I really hope they get approved.

Set One

https://ideas.lego.com/projects/16291




Set Two

https://ideas.lego.com/projects/59181

If it passes the accepted phase without a touch (Ghostbusters one was severly cut), this is going to be great.
I fucking need a Lego Doctor Who videogame. Just think about all the fanservice...
 

mclem

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If it passes the accepted phase without a touch (Ghostbusters one was severly cut), this is going to be great.
I fucking need a Lego Doctor Who videogame. Just think about all the fanservice...

Given it's inherently non-canon, I want *ALL* the Doctors. I want both Hartnell *and* Hurndall (looking not quite right), I want Curse of Fatal Death Rowan Atkinson, Richard E Grant (and Shalka Richard E Grant too!), Jim Broadbent, Hugh Grant, Joanna Lumley. I want several Masters, including Shambling Cadaver Master. I want LEGO Torchwood, where they can just completely riff on the absurdity of the flirtiness. I want Kamelion, I want K-9, I want Mickey *and* Ricky. I want the Special Weapons Dalek, I want the Kandyman

Also: What the hell does a Lego Auton comprise of?

(And I think I'd quite like it written in the spirit of The Fiveish Doctors)
 

Guiberu

Member
I've recently caught up with all my missed Who.

Is it blasphemy at this stage to say that I wasn't overly impressed with Capaldi?

Granted, he only had a few lines and less than a minute (?) of on screen time. But, shit. I just didn't like the way he moved. Or spoke.

I'd be down with a fake-doctor-is-master-real-doctor-reveal-later arc.
 

wetflame

Pizza Dog
I've recently caught up with all my missed Who.

Is it blasphemy at this stage to say that I wasn't overly impressed with Capaldi?

Granted, he only had a few lines and less than a minute (?) of on screen time. But, shit. I just didn't like the way he moved. Or spoke.

I'd be down with a fake-doctor-is-master-real-doctor-reveal-later arc.

At this stage, no. But then again I'd say there's not enough to go on. I don't think I can say either way, although my past appreciation of Capaldi gives me confidence he'll do a good job.
 

Slowdive

Banned
I've recently caught up with all my missed Who.

Is it blasphemy at this stage to say that I wasn't overly impressed with Capaldi?

Granted, he only had a few lines and less than a minute (?) of on screen time. But, shit. I just didn't like the way he moved. Or spoke.

I'd be down with a fake-doctor-is-master-real-doctor-reveal-later arc.

I think it's too early to say, to be fair, he just regenerated, and the Doctor's are usually not representative of what they'll be like in their first few moments. But personally I really like Capaldi and think he'll be great.
 

Joqu

Member
I've recently caught up with all my missed Who.

Is it blasphemy at this stage to say that I wasn't overly impressed with Capaldi?

Granted, he only had a few lines and less than a minute (?) of on screen time. But, shit. I just didn't like the way he moved. Or spoke.

I'd be down with a fake-doctor-is-master-real-doctor-reveal-later arc.

I loved Peter Capaldi in The Thick of It and I'm know it's silly the judge him on such a short scene but I'm feeling the same way. It's weird because I liked Tennant and Smith from the start and it's not like they got more screen time. I dunno, it just felt really bland.

I'm sure he'll click on me later on though
I hope
.
 

Guiberu

Member
Literally had 5 lines. 5 lines. I thought Matt Smith would be a poor David Tennant ripoff from the End of Time.

I was confused by Smith at first. But not in a bad way as such.

Capaldi made my internal "NOPE" meter do a little spike.

Don't get me wrong though, I would much prefer he does a good job and wins me over.
 

Blader

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Is anyone overly impressed (or impressed, period) with a new Doctor after regenerating? Ever? There's nothing they can ever really do aside from "Hello, this is me!"
 
You'll never get a Master-Doctor bait and switch that isn't very heavily and obviously telegraphed as it'd be too potentially distressing for four or five year olds to see their hero go bad. Real talk.
 
You'll never get a Master-Doctor bait and switch that isn't very heavily and obviously telegraphed as it'd be too potentially distressing for four or five year olds to see their hero go bad. Real talk.

To crib from Marvel Comics' playbook: "The Master is dead. Long live the Superior Doctor Who!"
 
Is anyone overly impressed (or impressed, period) with a new Doctor after regenerating? Ever? There's nothing they can ever really do aside from "Hello, this is me!"

Colin's impressed 10 year old Clive at the time.

Doctor: "you were expecting someone else?"
Peri:" "I-I-I"
Doctor: "That's three eyes in one breath, makes you sound like a rather egotistical young lady.
Peri: "what happened?"
Doctor: "Change, my dear. And it seems not a moment too soon.

And then Colin's face morphs into the end credits, which was cool at the time.
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"Wow this guy is going to be cool."

and then next week you got to see The Twin Dilemma, and you burned all of your TARDIS underpants because it was so fucking terrible, cheap and nasty.
 

M.Bluth

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I've recently caught up with all my missed Who.

Is it blasphemy at this stage to say that I wasn't overly impressed with Capaldi?

Granted, he only had a few lines and less than a minute (?) of on screen time. But, shit. I just didn't like the way he moved. Or spoke.

I'd be down with a fake-doctor-is-master-real-doctor-reveal-later arc.

35 seconds. That's all he had on screen so far. Well, 36 if you're gonna count that shot in the 50th.
By contrast, Matt Smith had about a minute between his arrival and the credits. I think Tennant had less, 20 seconds or so?

Personally, I'm never 'impressed' by the first moments of a new Doctor, just intrigued. It's the first ep that always wins me over.
 
I took me 2-3 episodes to get into Tennant, my favorite (haven't seen much Classic Who though).

It took me 2-3 seasons to be not actively annoyed by Smith. :)
 
So I suddenly starting trying to figure out what the Sonic Screwdriver actually does and I realise I have no idea.

I guess it just does whatever they need it to do / not do for that episode (now its a scanner, now its a weapon, now its a lock pick, etc....) but In the 50 year history of the show has it ever even screwed a screw?
 
So I suddenly starting trying to figure out what the Sonic Screwdriver actually does and I realise I have no idea.

I guess it just does whatever they need it to do / not do for that episode (now its a scanner, now its a weapon, now its a lock pick, etc....) but In the 50 year history of the show has it ever even screwed a screw?

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phisheep

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Is anyone overly impressed (or impressed, period) with a new Doctor after regenerating? Ever? There's nothing they can ever really do aside from "Hello, this is me!"

I never was.

Still remember the disappointment of Troughton when he first appeared, but now he is my top Doctor.

But every time I regret the one that has gone and am deeply suspicious of the next.
 
So I suddenly starting trying to figure out what the Sonic Screwdriver actually does and I realise I have no idea.

I guess it just does whatever they need it to do / not do for that episode (now its a scanner, now its a weapon, now its a lock pick, etc....) but In the 50 year history of the show has it ever even screwed a screw?

Aside from the above gifs, that's actually the second thing we see it do in New Who, as the Doctor unscrews the screws that hold the cat flap in at Rose's flat with it in the very first episode!
 
Wait.. has the Sonic Screwdriver ever been a weapon? I know The Doctor has used it to set other things off.. but I don't recall if it's ever directly been a weapon.
 

Slowdive

Banned
But every time I regret the one that has gone and am deeply suspicious of the next

I started watching when the new series started and I felt the same about Tennant and Smith, thought they wouldn't be as good as the last, ended up loving them. But Capaldi I can't wait for.
 
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