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Doctor Who |OT| Pre-Series 8 Discussion - He's A-Coming

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brucewaynegretzky

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Fireblend said:
Having watched Time of the Doctor recently, here's a theory that's probably been proposed already many times, but I came up with on my own I swear:
Could Tasha Lem still be in the tardis during the regeneration scene? I can imagine the first scene of the new series if it's the case, we go back to Capaldi's first scene:
Do you know how to fly this thing?
*camera looks to confused Clara*
*offscreen voice* I do
*camera looks to Tasha*
Or something along those lines.

Eh? I don't think there's anything to disprove that possibility,
she isn't seen stepping out of the tardis after getting Clara to Christmas, is she?
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I doubt it. They like to keep the first episode of a new doctor pretty basic to introduce the new guy. No need to get too caught up in a backstory from over a year ago.
 
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Hot Coldman

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teiresias said:
I saw those theories on the internet then actually saw the episode and was like, "really? how can anyone think that?"
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To be honest, it was mostly just because of the flirtation and the implied history. Oh, and the general feelings of dissatisfaction with River's arc that made me feel like we still didn't know everything.

Course, once she went Dalek the jig was up.
 
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Boem said:
Honestly, I don't think they ever seriously considered casting a woman, and I'm not expecting it to happen anytime soon. I don't even think it's a matter of finding an actress that's good enough - I think that in a lot of minds (mine included if I'm completely honest), the Doctor is very much a male part. Changing the age/look/ethnicity/accent of the Doctor is one thing - changing his sex would create a considerably different character. And I get that that's the point of regenerations, but even though the different actors have given wildly different interpretations to the character, it has always been recognizable as the same person. I think we'll sooner have a black Doctor than a female Doctor (still holding out hope for Mos Def). Changing the way the Doctor looks just solidifies that particular version of the Doctor - changing his gender would create - in my opinion - a completely different character.

I can't find the interview right now, but I recall Moffat, Gattis, Davies or someone else involved in the show mentioning something similar a couple of years back. They also mentioned that it is important to have strong female roles - but that those roles in recent years have been filled by characters like Amy Pond and River Song.

Of course, it is sort of fun to imagine what a female Doctor would be like, and it could be something very special if done correctly - but if it ever happens I have a feeling it'd be a bit of stunt casting rather than taking an opportunity to create an interesting story, sadly. And I feel like we're at least 2 or 3 Doctors removed from that scenario.
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This would be a reason that I would accept .. "waiting for the right one" looks bad.

I would even say that gving the same reaosn for a black actor would look as bad, but I have no idea what is the proportion of "white people vs black people" in the UK =P

If Dr Who was brazilian and they never casted a black actor at this point people would start thinking the producers were nazis or something
 
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Hot Coldman said:
Remember when Tasha Lem was like so obviously River Song, and then actually she wasn't? Or was that just me.
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I am utterly convinced that the part was initially written for River. Totally.

It's certainly the only way I can make sense of the psychopath line.

Platy said:
I would even say that gving the same reaosn for a black actor would look as bad, but I have no idea what is the proportion of "white people vs black people" in the UK =P
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The final choice for the Eleventh Doctor was between Matt Smith and Paterson Joseph, a black actor.
 
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teiresias said:
I saw those theories on the internet then actually saw the episode and was like, "really? how can anyone think that?"
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The personality of the character and her chemistry with the Doctor are very similar to River Song.

I don't think it's supposed to be her either but I do think there were enough similarities to at least raise the question. However, I think those similarities have a lot more to do with Moffat's failure to write a former love interest for the Doctor who was notably different than River.

There is also the psychopath line that hints at Tasha being River.
 
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Exterminieren said:
The final choice for the Eleventh Doctor was between Matt Smith and Paterson Joseph, a black actor.
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He was the contestant that Rose was up against in the Weakest Link at the end of Season One. He was also very good in the Survivors reboot (where his character was originally white). He'd make a very good Doctor. Maybe after Capaldi.

I think we'd see a non-white Doctor male actor before any female Doctor.
I personally think it won't happen. I guess a female Master would be a test case.
OMG maybe Keeley Hawes is not the Rani but the Master. OMG!

In short, I dunno. The female Doctor rumour was originally a PR stunt spread by the producer in 1980 when Tom Baker was leaving. "Good luck to whoever he or she may be."
 
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maharg

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The Meddling Monk was one of the Doctor's own people, from the same time and civilization, but not an alien species. Otherwise, why would he have an interest in changing Earth history in particular? Or why would his secret "convenience" items include recognizable toasters and teapots?

Although they were from a yet-unnamed planet with some extraordinary abilities (like Susan's telepathic abilities in "the Sensorites"), being non-human wasn't established until later. That's why Ian only detects a single heartbeat in "the Dalek Invasion of Earth" or nothing unusual turns up in the Doctor's medical scan in "the Wheel in Space". Like a lot of the Doctor's background, being an alien was retconned in - mostly in the Terrance Dicks era.
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For a show airing in 1963, "I was born in another time, another world" is more than enough to assume "alien". You can maybe argue that it leaves open a plausible window for them to be human but from a colonized planet, but it does so at best no more than for them to be aliens who happen to look human (which was standard convention at the time for 'good' aliens in all media).

Anyways, this has reached silly levels, so I'll drop it.
 
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ClivePwned said:
He was the contestant that Rose was up against in the Weakest Link at the end of Season One. He was also very good in the Survivors reboot (where his character was originally white). He'd make a very good Doctor. Maybe after Capaldi.

I think we'd see a non-white Doctor male actor before any female Doctor.
I personally think it won't happen. I guess a female Master would be a test case.
OMG maybe Keeley Hawes is not the Rani but the Master. OMG!

In short, I dunno. The female Doctor rumour was originally a PR stunt spread by the producer in 1980 when Tom Baker was leaving. "Good luck to whoever he or she may be."
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They could always bring back the Doctor's clone/daughter Jenny and give her the role of the Doctor for a couple of series.
 
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After all the period being war doctor and the centuries defending Trenzalore the real age of Doctor still make any sense?
 
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Hot Coldman

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Harlock said:
After all the period being war doctor and the centuries defending Trenzalore the real age of Doctor still make any sense?
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Assuming he wasn't lying at any point (lol) he should be around... what, 2100? Dude spent 900 years on Trenzalore and he says he's around 1,200 during Lake Silencio, so yeah.

at some point in the future he will tell someone he is 900, probably
 
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Hot Coldman said:
Assuming he wasn't lying at any point (lol) he should be around... what, 2100? Dude spent 900 years on Trenzalore and he says he's around 1,200 during Lake Silencio, so yeah.

at some point in the future he will tell someone he is 900, probably
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Can't remember where, but there's a quote from Capaldi where he specifically said about 2100/2200. It was him saying "I'm not too old for the part, in fact I'm 2100 (or somewhere like that) years too young for it," which tallies with the maths based on things said in Time of the Doctor. So I'm guessing he says his age in one of Capaldi's scripts somewhere.
 
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APZonerunner said:
Can't remember where, but there's a quote from Capaldi where he specifically said about 2100/2200. It was him saying "I'm not too old for the part, in fact I'm (X) years too young for it," and if you added his age to X it came out at about 2150. So I'm guessing he says his age in one of Capaldi's scripts somewhere.
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Oh, I know they'll stick to the age for now, but I bet there'll be a long time where he doesn't say his age, and Moffat will leave, and eventually it magically reverts back to 900 because that's the number buried in the public consciousness. (Plus the fans are already too savvy to trust any age the Doctor himself gives.)
 
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yulian

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Quick Mustard said:
Small acticle about Doctor Who on Digital Spy today.

Steven Moffat: BBC almost ended Doctor Who when David Tennant left

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s7/doctor-who/news/a573566/steven-moffat-bbc-almost-ended-doctor-who-when-david-tennant-left.html#~oFuyTKgwjA5mpP
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I feel like it needs to end sometime. As much as I loved Tennant's Doctor, he whined way too much at the end and kind of lost it for me some. I didn't care for Smith on my first time watching, but he's been growing on me with each viewing. I'm hoping Capaldi takes the character to new levels. If he does well, I wouldn't be disappointed to see him be the last Doctor.
 
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Loke13

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yulian said:
I feel like it needs to end sometime. As much as I loved Tennant's Doctor, he whined way too much at the end and kind of lost it for me some. I didn't care for Smith on my first time watching, but he's been growing on me with each viewing. I'm hoping Capaldi takes the character to new levels. If he does well, I wouldn't be disappointed to see him be the last Doctor.
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Heck no NuWho isn't even ten years old yet Doctor Who is really one of those rare programs that can actually keep going for an X amount of years and Doctor Who isn't getting old for me just yet.
 
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Kevin

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yulian said:
I feel like it needs to end sometime. As much as I loved Tennant's Doctor, he whined way too much at the end and kind of lost it for me some. I didn't care for Smith on my first time watching, but he's been growing on me with each viewing. I'm hoping Capaldi takes the character to new levels. If he does well, I wouldn't be disappointed to see him be the last Doctor.
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Series 7 was a bit weak but most of the time the show is amazing. No need to end it anytime soon. Show still has a lot of life left in it and more importantly is still fun.
 
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yulian

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StopMakingSense said:
I think the Capaldi / Clara combination will be a good "reset" for the series.
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I think the best way they could freshen it up would be to do away with all the repeat villains. Introduce a new, long term villain that tests the Doctor's limits. No more Daleks. No more Cybermen. Definitely no more of The Master. Maybe they can come up with someone that's a hybird of Joffery and Moriarty. That I'd watch without a single complaint.
 
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yulian

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iMax said:
Out of interest, would anyone be receptive to a complete reboot of the show?
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I would. But I'm crazy. I think Doctor Who has some amazing concepts that just aren't executed well. I still enjoy it as a whole, but I wouldn't be upset if it got a reboot in the future. If someone could write it without the inconsistencies and build-ups that lead to disappointment, it would easily be my favorite show.
 
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yulian said:
I would. But I'm crazy. I think Doctor Who has some amazing concepts that just aren't executed well. I still enjoy it as a whole, but I wouldn't be upset if it got a reboot in the future. If someone could write it without the inconsistencies and build-ups that lead to disappointment, it would easily be my favorite show.
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If they ever get round to doing a movie, they'll have to if they want to do it right.
 
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nice cover to the latest dwm
 
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infiniteloop said:
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nice cover to the latest dwm
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Some weird choices. A Nightmare in Silver cyberman, but a classic Sontaran? An RTD era Dalek? A Weeping Angel and one of the cherubs from The Angels Take Manhattan? I just wish the Absorbaloff was a smidge to the right so it would look like Satan was going to eat him.
 
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Hot Coldman

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Hopefully the Beast getting a decent amount of real estate means the public has finally seen sense, and The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit finally gets the "Best Story" prize. (I'm assuming that's what this is for.)
 
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APZonerunner said:
Can't remember where, but there's a quote from Capaldi where he specifically said about 2100/2200. It was him saying "I'm not too old for the part, in fact I'm 2100 (or somewhere like that) years too young for it," which tallies with the maths based on things said in Time of the Doctor. So I'm guessing he says his age in one of Capaldi's scripts somewhere.
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To be fair, Capaldi's absolutely the sort of guy who would independently know this :)
 
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Hot Coldman said:
Hopefully the Beast getting a decent amount of real estate means the public has finally seen sense, and The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit finally gets the "Best Story" prize. (I'm assuming that's what this is for.)
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I'd put War Games or Remembrance of the Daleks above it

It's certainly up there with the best doctor who stories though.
 
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Ser Goje

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The show doesn't need to end, because it can change and turn into a something new, like how Moffat changed it. What they need is new villains. Daleks and Cyberman have gotten really old, and I'm tired of seeing them. You can't make a Sci-Fi show in 2014 with the stuff from 1960s.

Who would want to concour the world with Cyberman ? Even kids don't believe that stuff anymore.
 
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Kuraudo

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The main change the show needs is a new showrunner. Maybe writing for a new Doctor might give a bit of freshness to Moffat's vision of the show, but I can't see the show not becoming stale if he stays beyond another series.
 
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Ser Goje said:
The show doesn't need to end, because it can change and turn into a something new, like how Moffat changed it. What they need is new villains. Daleks and Cyberman have gotten really old, and I'm tired of seeing them. You can't make a Sci-Fi show in 2014 with the stuff from 1960s.

Who would want to concour the world with Cyberman ? Even kids don't believe that stuff anymore.
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Hey now.
 
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Scooter155

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Fireblend said:
Having watched Time of the Doctor recently, here's a theory that's probably been proposed already many times, but I came up with on my own I swear:
Could Tasha Lem still be in the tardis during the regeneration scene? I can imagine the first scene of the new series if it's the case, we go back to Capaldi's first scene:
Do you know how to fly this thing?
*camera looks to confused Clara*
*offscreen voice* I do
*camera looks to Tasha*
Or something along those lines.

Eh? I don't think there's anything to disprove that possibility,
she isn't seen stepping out of the tardis after getting Clara to Christmas, is she?
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To me personally, that sounds dumb.
 
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KuwabaraTheMan

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Ser Goje said:
The show doesn't need to end, because it can change and turn into a something new, like how Moffat changed it. What they need is new villains. Daleks and Cyberman have gotten really old, and I'm tired of seeing them. You can't make a Sci-Fi show in 2014 with the stuff from 1960s.

Who would want to concour the world with Cyberman ? Even kids don't believe that stuff anymore.
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No one wants to conquer the world with the Cybermen, because that has absolutely nothing to do with their purpose or role in the story.

Also, the show from the 1960s was a lot more advanced and nuanced than what we are getting right now, so I would point the blame more in the other direction.
 
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Kuraudo said:
The main change the show needs is a new showrunner. Maybe writing for a new Doctor might give a bit of freshness to Moffat's vision of the show, but I can't see the show not becoming stale if he stays beyond another series.
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I was thinking about as well. But who would take over from Moffat?

I say no one has really stood out during the Moffat era like Moffat stood out during the RTD era. Maybe the next guy would have to be fresh blood. Would not be a bad thing.
 
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Blader

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yulian said:
I would. But I'm crazy. I think Doctor Who has some amazing concepts that just aren't executed well. I still enjoy it as a whole, but I wouldn't be upset if it got a reboot in the future. If someone could write it without the inconsistencies and build-ups that lead to disappointment, it would easily be my favorite show.
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A complete reboot of the series would do nothing to address any of that, and would also invite more opportunities to bring in and redo all those classic villains you're tired of.

There's no need to reboot Who because the show reboots itself with each new actor and showrunner.
 
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some info from the top stories / Doctors from the latest DWM:

http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/the-top-stories-doctors-according-to-dwm-2014-63506.htm

Top Ten:

1. The Day of the Doctor (92.06%)
2. Blink (91.87%)
3. Genesis of the Daleks (91.60%)
4. The Caves of Androzani (90.60%)
5. City of Death (90.30%)
6. The Talons of Weng-Chiang (90.15%)
7. The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances (89.48%)
8. Pyramids of Mars (88.26%)
9. Human Nature/The Family of Blood (87.90%)
10. Remembrance of the Daleks (87.88%)

Bottom Ten:

232. The Space Museum (53.78%)
233. The Rings of Akhaten (53.44%)
234. The Dominators (50.32%)
235. The Space Pirates (47.23%)
236. Underworld (46.68%)
237. Time-Flight (45.74%)
238. Timelash (45.22%)
239. Time and the Rani (45.09%)
240. Fear Her (42.68%)
241. The Twin Dilemma (40.18%)

Favorite Doctor:

1. Tom Baker (21.69%)
2. Matt Smith (15.57%)
3. David Tennant (15.49%)
4. Patrick Troughton (12.09%)
5. Jon Pertwee (8.72%)
6. Peter Davison (6.11%)
7. Sylvester McCoy (5.38%)
8. Christopher Eccleston (4.39%)
9. William Hartnell (4.04%)
10. Paul McGann (3.31%)
11. Colin Baker (2.52%)
12. John Hurt (0.68%)
 
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Knew we'd see DOTD at the top. It'll settle down in time, but I can certainly see people keeping it in the top 20 or so for a good while yet.

Akhaten that low is an injustice, but not completely unexpected.
 
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