Box of Bunnies
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Plus he reprised the role for an anniversary story even though he was physically incapable of anything more than sitting in a chair and reading a few lines.
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Doctor Who |OT| Pre-Series 8 Discussion - He's A-Coming
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Plus he reprised the role for an anniversary story even though he was physically incapable of anything more than sitting in a chair and reading a few lines.
KuwabaraTheMan
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Two of the worst stories of all time in the top two spots? That's harsh. I'll choose to view Genesis and Caves as the real Top 2.
Seeing underrated stories like The Space Museum, The Space Pirates and The Rings of Akhaten in the Bottom 10 is also a shame. They deserve to be much higher on the list.
I'd like to see Colin and Hartnell much higher on the Doctor list, too.
I agree, and I hate Fear Her. But the last three seasons have been pretty terrible in general.
My daughter is watching Journey's End right now for the first time and she's crushed by what happens to Donna. The majority of the episode is cheesy, fan-service (but I love it), but from the second they drop Rose off-the episode is perfect. So fucking heartbreaking-and Wilf & The Doctor nail their scenes.
"Every night, Doctor... when it gets dark, and the stars come out, I'll look up... on her behalf. I'll look up at the sky... and think of you."
"Every night, Doctor... when it gets dark, and the stars come out, I'll look up... on her behalf. I'll look up at the sky... and think of you."
I shall ignore some terrible opinions here, and focus on the fact that the first episode of The Space Museum is what got me to pay attention to Doctor Who again.
This was years before the reboot, it was randomly showing on UKTV and I was so fucking intrigued and taken aback by how clever the show was.
I still think that first episode has a great concept.
This was years before the reboot, it was randomly showing on UKTV and I was so fucking intrigued and taken aback by how clever the show was.
I still think that first episode has a great concept.
That's part of why it has such a bad reputation, I think. Despite really not being that bad. The first episode is such a great set-up and then it just completely shits the bed with it for the next three episodes, relatively speaking.
That makes a lot of sense, wasted potential is one of the more frustrating things around.
JonathanEx
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Foxes, off of singing and the charts, to guest star in the next series.
Box of Bunnies
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JonathanEx
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Let's see what Twitter thinks
So a lot of "WHY NO ACTOR??????" which is obviously going down well despite you no, no reason to know if she'll be any good at what her role will be. But this one just was odd
Um
So a lot of "WHY NO ACTOR??????" which is obviously going down well despite you no, no reason to know if she'll be any good at what her role will be. But this one just was odd
Um
Guess they couldn't get Charles Dance for The Master.
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Hey, remember, we all said the same about Billie Piper and she turned out to be alri
Fuck.
Exterminieren
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Catching up in his phone calls?
Mummy on the Orient Express confirmed, then.
Well this is unexpected.
The Doctor's speech should've killed the thing, not her leaf.
Hot Coldman
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I'm still waiting for the adaptation of Horror of Glam Rock. This is a good start.
In which Wilf discovers his long-lost twin brother is a record producer?
I listened to that again fairly recently. I'd forgotten Stephen Gately was in it.
Edit: And Una Stubbs (Mrs. Hudson) as Flo!
Exterminieren
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She had one day of filming, and she's referred to as performing. I rather suspect she's just a singer in the episode, a la Voyage of the Damned.
Seems likely she's a performer on the Orient Express in Space.
APZonerunner
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At least they've hired a singer for a role which has singing. Never forget the awful number in Daleks in Manhattan, etc.
Also, y'know, it's silly to judge, she may well be able to act. See Billie, etc.
Also, y'know, it's silly to judge, she may well be able to act. See Billie, etc.
aHebrewMenagerie
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she's pretty.
infiniteloop
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yup, exactly what i thought.
SigmasonicX
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Hey guys, this is my first post in this thread. I've been rewatching the new series for a while, only skipping "Fear Her" and "The Curse of the Black Spot" so far, and I've just watched "A Good Man Goes to War" again. I didn't like the episode much the first time around, but I know some people here have highly rated it, so I decided to revisit it and... I still don't like it. Now I think I know the problem now, though: the villains did not feel like a serious threat at all, especially ones worth being the source of the Doctor's greatest fall.
The regular soldiers were just regular soldiers and were completely ineffective. The Headless Monks seemed like a major case of cutting your nose to spite your face by cutting off their heads so they couldn't listen to the Doctor, but then when the Doctor appears in Demon's Run, they just stand there listening to him anyway, and in any case, it only felt like they were effective in the end because everyone was acting incompetent. The same applies to Madame Kovarian, I feel, especially since she only appears in one more episode, and that's where her plans screw up.
This all means that the huge amount of drama put in the music and cinematography does not feel appropriate for what is happening. What I see is the Doctor bring a bunch of guys to easily defeat some losers and this being declared his greatest triumph for some reason, and then those guys losing peripheral vision and their sense of hearing so they can lose. The episode starts with the Doctor easily defeating the Cybermen, and it's so weird that the real villains of the episode are these guys. The first time I watched this, I rolled my eyes every time a reference was made to this being the Doctor's highest point and greatest fall.
The episode felt like it was setting up a ton of things, but then the Headless Monks proceeded to never play a major role again, Kovarian only appeared in one more episode, and Kovarian's entire order and motivation was explained in one line in "Time of the Doctor". The only things to actually come out of this episode were the reveal of River's identity and the introduction of the new side characters.
Plus, there were all of those big speeches about how the Doctor has become known as a warrior, and that entire armies flee when they hear his name, but... this is the only time we've ever seen that come into play. It didn't feel like the show actually earned those moments. Before, the only ones that really seemed to care about the Doctor after hearing his name were the Daleks, with some others starting to care after hearing he was from Gallifrey, but there was no sign that many people who weren't obviously villains who were aware of the Doctor had anything but positive opinions of him.
Also, now that we know the truth about River, the entire scene with that reveal is painfully dragged out, along with all of the fake outs involving the Doctor being the father.
In the end, I guess I still don't quite know what people see in this episode. Is it all a matter of taking the villains seriously as threats?
The regular soldiers were just regular soldiers and were completely ineffective. The Headless Monks seemed like a major case of cutting your nose to spite your face by cutting off their heads so they couldn't listen to the Doctor, but then when the Doctor appears in Demon's Run, they just stand there listening to him anyway, and in any case, it only felt like they were effective in the end because everyone was acting incompetent. The same applies to Madame Kovarian, I feel, especially since she only appears in one more episode, and that's where her plans screw up.
This all means that the huge amount of drama put in the music and cinematography does not feel appropriate for what is happening. What I see is the Doctor bring a bunch of guys to easily defeat some losers and this being declared his greatest triumph for some reason, and then those guys losing peripheral vision and their sense of hearing so they can lose. The episode starts with the Doctor easily defeating the Cybermen, and it's so weird that the real villains of the episode are these guys. The first time I watched this, I rolled my eyes every time a reference was made to this being the Doctor's highest point and greatest fall.
The episode felt like it was setting up a ton of things, but then the Headless Monks proceeded to never play a major role again, Kovarian only appeared in one more episode, and Kovarian's entire order and motivation was explained in one line in "Time of the Doctor". The only things to actually come out of this episode were the reveal of River's identity and the introduction of the new side characters.
Plus, there were all of those big speeches about how the Doctor has become known as a warrior, and that entire armies flee when they hear his name, but... this is the only time we've ever seen that come into play. It didn't feel like the show actually earned those moments. Before, the only ones that really seemed to care about the Doctor after hearing his name were the Daleks, with some others starting to care after hearing he was from Gallifrey, but there was no sign that many people who weren't obviously villains who were aware of the Doctor had anything but positive opinions of him.
Also, now that we know the truth about River, the entire scene with that reveal is painfully dragged out, along with all of the fake outs involving the Doctor being the father.
In the end, I guess I still don't quite know what people see in this episode. Is it all a matter of taking the villains seriously as threats?
Exterminieren
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This is exactly the theme that Moffat's been building up, though, and the Doctor leaning too much on his reputation to scare his enemies has been built up throughout his episodes.
Silence of the Library/ Forest of the Dead- He scares off the Vashta Nerada by citing his previous feats, River talks about the days to come where he'll scare off armies.
The Eleventh Hour- He calls the Atraxi back specifically so he can put the fear of God into them by letting them know that he is just the coolest and scariest motherfucker to ever wear a bowtie.
The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone- He makes a grandstanding speech about how he should never be put in a trap and how his enemies should fear him shortly before erasing the Angels from existence.
The Pandorica Opens- He makes a huge speech referencing what a huge threat he is to buy some time from the surrounding monster hordes, before- and here's the important bit- he gets locked up in an inescapable prison by the monsters explicitly because he's such an unstoppable threat. This is Moffat's theme of the Doctor's reputation harming himself first coming into play, and it's the very thing that series 5's arc is based around.
A Good Man Goes To War isn't introducing this theme, it's bringing it to the boil. You can argue about whether it's a decent one to explore, and how well Moffat pulled it off, but he certainly emphasised it beforehand.
Ignatz Mouse
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That was a great twist in Pandorica Opens, but otherwise generally felt forced.
acheron_xl
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Reading the new DWM now and I'm thrilled that the readers voted Donna the 2nd best companion. DWM readers have good taste.
Sir_Crocodile
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where did ian & ace come?
acheron_xl
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1: Sarah Jane
2: Donna
3: Rose
4: Jamie
5: Amy
6: Ace
7: Clara
8: Jo
9: Leela
10: Romana II (Mary Tamm was robbed!)
11: Ian
12: The Brig
13: Barbara
14: Rory
15: Tegan
Not the worst list. Amy and Clara massively overrated. Rory and the Brig underrated. Romana I nowhere to be seen.
Bobby Roberts
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But Rory is clearly the best of the three Pond Family Companions.
acheron_xl
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A season with Brian would've been a delight.
Hot Coldman
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I always feel bad when that story gets so high, considering it's barely a Who episode. But then I inevitably watch it again and yeah, it's still the GOAT.
Ignatz Mouse
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Without a doubt.
It's not my top, but it's way up there and is great. There are a few like more though, like Midnight and Silence in the Library.
Future Foundation
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I think Amy + Rory + Brian could have been my favorite team if they'd gotten more time together. I'm really fond of the Amy/Rory duo - together they're right up with Donna for my favorite in NuWho.
TheCowboyPoet
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Who? Am I just unfamiliar with popular music these days or is this woman only relevant in the UK?
Yeah, Amy+Rory works way better than either of them alone.
Sir_Crocodile
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Thanks. Jesus, how did romana and zoe miss top fifteen when the "mouth with legs" is on there
GameplayWhore
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Rory alone I feel would have been better than the second half of Amy+Rory. Especially after the whole out-of-nowhere random breakup thing.
Better: Rory and his dad. I could have taken half a season of that easily.
KuwabaraTheMan
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Not a terrible list aside from Amy, but Peri, Martha and Steven got robbed. Nice to see Leela doing fairly well and Donna being above Rose.
Now, I'll concede that it depends somewhat on exactly what constitutes a 'companion', but...
I see no Wilf.
Sir_Crocodile
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For me:
1)Ace
2)Ian
3)Brig
4)Leela
5)Jamie
6)Romana
7)Zoe
8)Romana II
9)Liz
10)Benton
11)Donna
12)K9
13)Martha
14)Harry
15)Barbara
1)Ace
2)Ian
3)Brig
4)Leela
5)Jamie
6)Romana
7)Zoe
8)Romana II
9)Liz
10)Benton
11)Donna
12)K9
13)Martha
14)Harry
15)Barbara
ClivePwned
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instead of worrying about how a bunch of fans voted overall, let's celebrate #1
Sarah's message to all other companions...
That said, Leela's one on my all time faves.
Ignatz Mouse
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Having only watched NuWho, I'm really not qualified, other than to say Clara is down on the bottom of my list along with Kylie Minogue. Which is a shame, as I liked her first appearance a lot.
Sorta the opposite of Donna that way.
Sorta the opposite of Donna that way.
acheron_xl
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instead of worrying about how a bunch of fans voted overall, let's celebrate #1
Sarah's message to all other companions...
That said, Leela's one on my all time faves.
That gif is so true. The vote wasn't even close. Sarah Jane's vote share was more than double Donna's. Tom had a pretty commanding lead over #2, but nothing like that.
ClivePwned
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Sarah's had more exposure than any other companion.
She was on the show for 3 1/2 years in the 70's, had her own spin-off in K-9 and Company in 1981, came back for The Five Doctors and School Reunion, and then Sarah Jane Adventures. In terms of screen time, she's easily eclipsed the rest. Elisabeth Sladen, was also perfect in the role.
Clara will be popular with many people because she's current. She will also be unpopular with many because she's current.
I don't hate her (not just because I think the actress is cute), but I also want to see how she works with Capaldi's Doctor. There've been more than a few companions who appeared with two Doctors and have worked far better with one Doctor than the other.
Sarah worked better with Tom Baker, The Brigadier worked best with Pertwee, Adric worked better with Baker, Tegan and Nyssa better with Davison, Peri better with Sixth Doctor, Rose better with the 10th, etc.
Leela as a character doesn't get enough love. Louise Jameson nailed that character of an uneducated savage who was smart. Romana I is forgotten because Mary Tamm looked so uncomfortable for most of her run, only really settling into the character in her last story. Tegan worked better with Turlough than Nyssa and Adric. And Ace is one of the few reasons to watch the last few years of the original series.
Harry Sullivan doesn't get enough love in what could be a thankless role as the tin dog. Same with Turlough once his initial story function
was fulfilled and he just became a lazy, coward.
And where the fuck is the GOAT tin dog? K-9!
She was on the show for 3 1/2 years in the 70's, had her own spin-off in K-9 and Company in 1981, came back for The Five Doctors and School Reunion, and then Sarah Jane Adventures. In terms of screen time, she's easily eclipsed the rest. Elisabeth Sladen, was also perfect in the role.
Clara will be popular with many people because she's current. She will also be unpopular with many because she's current.
I don't hate her (not just because I think the actress is cute), but I also want to see how she works with Capaldi's Doctor. There've been more than a few companions who appeared with two Doctors and have worked far better with one Doctor than the other.
Sarah worked better with Tom Baker, The Brigadier worked best with Pertwee, Adric worked better with Baker, Tegan and Nyssa better with Davison, Peri better with Sixth Doctor, Rose better with the 10th, etc.
Leela as a character doesn't get enough love. Louise Jameson nailed that character of an uneducated savage who was smart. Romana I is forgotten because Mary Tamm looked so uncomfortable for most of her run, only really settling into the character in her last story. Tegan worked better with Turlough than Nyssa and Adric. And Ace is one of the few reasons to watch the last few years of the original series.
Harry Sullivan doesn't get enough love in what could be a thankless role as the tin dog. Same with Turlough once his initial story function
to kill the Doctor
And where the fuck is the GOAT tin dog? K-9!
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