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Doctor Who |OT| Pre-Series 8 Discussion - He's A-Coming
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CloudyTuba
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FOR REAL. He's a major ass with a huge ego. He's certainly got talent but I'm not surprised he has trouble finding work. I've seen some major ass-hattery from him on the tubes. People making perfectly civil "wouldnt it be cool if..." posts about his videos get met with insults or with bans from his channel. People who ask for suggestions on how to achieve certain effects get responses like "I worked for this, go figure it out yourself."
How strange.
Is it normal for a script to have details about the title sequence?
Could you post the exact wording from the
script about the title?
Which is good, since that episode was just awful.
Vincent Alexander
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Can I skip it or is it part of the end plot of this season?
Future Foundation
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SigmasonicX
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All you need to know is that the Doctor is told by a psychic that, "he will knock four times and you will die." As for the episode itself, it isn't horrible, but it's rather bland, and the one-off companion of the episode is pretty annoying--she's the cat-burglar type.
APZonerunner
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The script isn't a shooting script, but a localization script with timing for edits, subtitles, etc. In with that it had the complete credits, which credit that dude, as posted above.
Fine Ham Abounds
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I loved it, it was like a wild amalgam of 3, 4, and 5's intros, with some late 90s Winamp visualizer thrown in.
I'll be frank though, I haven't liked a single theme since Eccleston left.
StealthGoblin
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I'd prefer it if they cut away all the extra noise in the background and got back to the melody. Sod the violins and trumpets.
I'd also like a more simple visual style. Over complicated nonsense recently.
I'd also like a more simple visual style. Over complicated nonsense recently.
Fine Ham Abounds
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One of my favorite things about this series is how it's like reading a 1950s sci fi anthology. Seeing how they try to contrive explanations for the vastly different rules in every episode is part of the fun.
Vincent Alexander
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Sorry if I'm bugging everyone with my impressions as I'm moving along...I'm trying to catch up to season 8 and plowing along.
Just finished Waters on Mars. I think I love the episode? It is so close to perfect, that I almost hate it for not quite getting there. Or rather, it got there, then took a step back. Everything about it was great, and it had the first moment in the whole series where the Doctor felt like a proper hero (and badass) when he went back to save everyone. His comment along the lines of "The laws of time are mine and they will obey me" was badass, and first time I had genuine chills from the show. Where it shot itself in the foot was after the Doctor rescued Adelaide, and turned into a cocky mastermind. I was fine with a bit, but it was waaaay too unrealistic of a turn for me. THEN Adelaide went and shot herself, which might be the dumbest thing ever. It had to be out of spite, which ruins her character. She was too smart and surely would realize her granddaughter wasn't simply inspired because she died, but because of how she died. How the Hell would someone be inspired that the same day a base was blown up with a nuke, the woman miraculously appeared in her living room and blew her brains out? If she thinks she was correcting time, then poo on her. My only hope is that this character development we see in the Doctor carries over somewhere. I'm afraid he went from "I can't help" to "I can help!" to "I can't help" again in a matter of 10 minutes, and we see no permanent development of any sort.
Just finished Waters on Mars. I think I love the episode? It is so close to perfect, that I almost hate it for not quite getting there. Or rather, it got there, then took a step back. Everything about it was great, and it had the first moment in the whole series where the Doctor felt like a proper hero (and badass) when he went back to save everyone. His comment along the lines of "The laws of time are mine and they will obey me" was badass, and first time I had genuine chills from the show. Where it shot itself in the foot was after the Doctor rescued Adelaide, and turned into a cocky mastermind. I was fine with a bit, but it was waaaay too unrealistic of a turn for me. THEN Adelaide went and shot herself, which might be the dumbest thing ever. It had to be out of spite, which ruins her character. She was too smart and surely would realize her granddaughter wasn't simply inspired because she died, but because of how she died. How the Hell would someone be inspired that the same day a base was blown up with a nuke, the woman miraculously appeared in her living room and blew her brains out? If she thinks she was correcting time, then poo on her. My only hope is that this character development we see in the Doctor carries over somewhere. I'm afraid he went from "I can't help" to "I can help!" to "I can't help" again in a matter of 10 minutes, and we see no permanent development of any sort.
APZonerunner
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It carries over to the end of the Tenth Doctor, really; this is all to tee up where he is and where he's going - and then is wiped away somewhat with the regeneration. Something that happens very early in the next episode is that you learn that the Doctor goes on the run from his fate, but in a manner of speaking by going on the run he seals his fate even more. It ends up being a repeating pattern.
Something to keep in mind is that you have two more episodes (one story, it's a two parter) left with the current Doctor and also the current writing/production team (current to you, anyway). It's an entirely different team after that, so you're basically going into a "series finale" of sorts - it's the end of that particular version of Doctor Who, a goodbye to a great many things, tonally and otherwise... even though the next version is, of course, a direct continuation.
I really liked that Adelaide committed suicide in an attempt to preserve the timeline. It's the ultimate proof (as in Pompeii) of that thing that the Doctor can change small things, but the big things, if he tries to change them, he just ends up being the one who makes them happen. Oh, and, next episode up for you - the scene in the cafe is one of the finest ever done in the show, I think. Even if some of the Doctor's dialogue miffs some fans.
Oh, and your impressions are fascinating... always fun to read somebody discovering the show for the first time! Keep them coming!
The Waters of Mars is probably my favorite Tennant episode along with Midnight. So damn good. I even think the production values went up a notch for this episode. Adelaide killing herself was perfect, IMO. She realized that jeopardizing the future just because of the Doctor's capriciousness made no sense. It could be argued that the way she died could have changed the future and she didn't need to die or that she could have been an inspiration regardless, but it works so much better this way, and it helps the Doctor realize he's gone too far. You could even say her death was meant to be, it was destiny's way of laughing at the Doctor's words about him being able to bend the rules and bringing him down to reality again. Regardless of whether it was a "fixed point in time", or Adelaide committed suicide out of free will and as a way of sending a message to an almost delusional Doctor (which I like to believe), it resonates strongly with the specials' theme leading up to his departure.
The specials IMO are really all about denial, and about the Doctor trying to run from what he knows are his last days in that incarnation, so I think the episode's resolution fits in thematically pretty well. It does make Tennant look all angsty and emo and even coward for the last episodes, but I think who he is by the time his tenure is done really reflects how necessary it was for him to regenerate. He'd become too capricious and almost human in how he desperately clinged to "this" life. Even though some people say his departure was too dramatical, I like how his character got pretty much taken to its characterization's limits before the end, if that makes any sense. Enjoy the last episodes!
Exterminieren
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Well, thanks to the rank incompetence of the staff at Birmingham New Street station, I missed my connection to Cardiff. 
I'm going to get there in time for the showing, but we'll probably miss the red carpet.
I'm going to get there in time for the showing, but we'll probably miss the red carpet.
paradox121
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JonathanEx
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Hello from the red carpet. Cogs are definitely in.
JonathanEx
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Good luck! 12:15 last entry.Well, thanks to the rank incompetence of the staff at Birmingham New Street station, I missed my connection to Cardiff.
I'm going to get there in time for the showing, but we'll probably miss the red carpet.
Well, I think a key element is: as far as the world is concerned, everyone in that base died in the explosion. Maybe some of the minor people aren't too tied to the Fixed Point and so can live on safely (Shades of the Pompeii episode), but Adelaide's death is too critical to the Fixed Point - but it's not the death itself, it's the world's perception of the death. She needs to be dead as far as the mass population is concerned. If we assume there's no (recognisable?) corpse, as far as the masses are concerned, she died on Mars and the timeline can continue as it should. If there *is* a recognisable corpse, something weird happened on Mars, her body ended up on Earth, and that's weird and interesting, and the timeline is similar enough to what happened that people will still be inspired by the mysterious death.
Oh wow, I'm really disheartened now. For someone who does such good work, it's a shame to hear they're such a dick :/
Hot Coldman
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Jenna teasing us with the red
damn you woman
damn you woman
Hello from the red carpet. Cogs are definitely in.
I hope there's a smooth transition to the new intro like in The Eleventh Hour... thought that was a cool moment.
JonathanEx
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Verdict.
Fuck yes
infiniteloop
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Season 8/Christmas spoilers: Moffat says
both Capaldi + Jenna Coleman (Clara) back for Christmas ep.
Funnily enough, they used to play in a punk band together and I think Capaldi is the reason Ferguson got into comedy. Hoping there's an interview ahead of the new season somewhere down the line.
Apparently in the Q&A Moffat said he'd be happy to write a Doctor Who and Sherlock crossover episode, he said before that would never happen.
@RichTheJourno · 40m
Moffat: "We're not planning a 10th anniversary celebration... unless I'm lying."
@RichTheJourno · 31m
Capaldi: "Malcolm Tucker would be envious that his alter ego, me, got this gig."
@RichTheJourno · 40m
Moffat: "We're not planning a 10th anniversary celebration... unless I'm lying."
@RichTheJourno · 31m
Capaldi: "Malcolm Tucker would be envious that his alter ego, me, got this gig."
JonathanEx
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Gatiss is very against it. Thinks it will be better in your head than actually on screen according to moff.
Hot Coldman
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It'd work as a Children In Need thing, I guess?
Vincent Alexander
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Am I the only one that thinks Capaldi looks like an older Tennant? Its sort of eerie how well their looks fit together.
Exterminieren
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Fuck yes.
Just, like, generally.
Just, like, generally.
infiniteloop
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Please be lying.
JonathanEx
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Closing. Lot more active in the opening.
infiniteloop
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So anybody go? What's the consensus?
Spoiler-free Den of Geek review.
http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/doctor-who/31637/doctor-who-series-8-deep-breath-spoiler-free-review
http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/doctor-who/31637/doctor-who-series-8-deep-breath-spoiler-free-review
JonathanEx
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Will write up my thoughts later but on the whole that sounds right to me. It's a series opener, definitely, not another big event movie style episode. Not to do it down in style/tone, but it feels like a long episode, the story just happens to be longer, and that it feels like it's the start - lots more to come.
Oh. Those are the closing credits? Interesting. Any thoughts on the actual opening sequence? Is the Jackson Pollock look gone? Not sure what you're able to discuss. I kind of really want it to leak
JonathanEx
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I signed shit all so I could say what I like. I won't, because that's mean. Not that it matters, we've had leak-a-fucking-geddon anyway.Oh. Those are the closing credits? Interesting. Any thoughts on the actual opening sequence? Is the Jackson Pollock look gone? Not sure what you're able to discuss. I kind of really want it to leak
I'll spoiler tag to be nice.
Music was a surprise. It's different. Bits of electronic but not back to basics. It's similar to the ones we know it's based off, but no Chamelon Arch watch, no seal of Rassilion, basically the whole cog stuff and the spiral TARDIS bit is in. More space and time vortex added to it, names and logo aren't OTT animated annnnd no face that I saw. That closing pic gives you a good feel of it actually, but there's much more to it.
I'm putting the Series 8 OT together now.
Thank goodness. I thought a few episodes last season needed at least 10 more minutes or something. Certain stories felt like they were conceived as two-part episodes that were mashed into one.
Thank goodness. I thought a few episodes last season needed at least 10 more minutes or something. Certain stories felt like they were conceived as two-part episodes that were mashed into one.
The Elite
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Aren't we right back to the old running time after the Deep Breath? It sounds great for this episode but I fear it's still going to be a problem.
How was the use of music during the episode? Still over-the-top and bombastic like 11? Is there a tonal change?
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