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Isis claims it could buy its first nuclear weapon from Pakistan within a year

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Isis has used the latest issue of its propaganda magazine Dabiq to suggest the group is expanding so rapidly it could buy its first nuclear weapon within a year.

The hyperbolic article, which the group attributes to the British hostage John Cantlie, claims Isis has transcended its roots as “the most explosive Islamic ‘group’ in the modern world” to evolve into “the most explosive Islamic movement the modern world has ever seen” in less than twelve months.

Photojournalist Cantlie is regularly used in the terror group’s propaganda and has appeared in a number of videos, including a YouTube series called "Lend Me Your Ears". He has been held a hostage by Isis for more than two years.

Rest of the article here: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-from-pakistan-within-12-months-10270525.html



Welp.
 

Rubenov

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They have about 2billion cash? Not nearly enough for any country to sell such a device and face all the consequences that such a move would cause.
 

Africanus

Member
The clock ticks on, for if and when ISIS acquires nuclear weapons, they will have little reservations utilizing it.

I doubt the time-table they have set, but I would not scoff at the possibility.

Although whether they have the necessary people to properly operate one is a separate manner entirely.
 

B-Dubs

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Of course you are ISIS, of course you are.

The clock ticks on, for if and when ISIS acquires nuclear weapons, they will have little reservations utilizing it.

I doubt the time-table they have set, but I would not scoff at the possibility.

Although whether they have the necessary people to properly operate one is a separate manner entirely.

No one is dumb enough to sell them a nuke, anyone who did would be invaded by NATO and the rest of the world within a fortnight, and even if someone were ISIS is more likely to accidentally blow themselves up than anything else.
 
If the US actually saw this or will see this as even a remote possibility it will be full scale annihilation before theres even a chance.
 
I don't see it getting that far. I could see a full scale incursion in to occupied territory to wipe them from the face of the planet before they get to buy a nuke.
 
If anybody actually thought ISIS was trying to get a nuclear weapon, ISIS would not exist right now. On that particular point I'm pretty sure the US, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel and everyone else would be in consensus.
 
If anybody actually thought ISIS was trying to get a nuclear weapon, ISIS would not exist right now. On that I'm pretty sure the US, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and everyone else would be in consensus.

Pretty much. Any country that even thought about selling them a nuke would be bombed into obliteration as well
 
Very scary to think about because they'll definitely use one if they have it.

The USA and other countries can't nuke them without causing colatetal damage since ISIS is so spread out.
 

Skeyser

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What does Pakistan stand to win by selling Isis nukes? Seems like any monetary gains would be completely off set by the rest of the world reaction.
 
They probably know they couldn't launch it, they just want it. It's like me with Rosetta Stone, I'll never use it but it's nice to have.
 
They probably know they couldn't launch it, they just want it. It's like me with Rosetta Stone, I'll never use it but it's nice to have.

Heh, nice analogy. Pretty spot on though.

ISIS obtaining a nuke would be just reason (like we don't already have one, or a thousand) to wipe them out too.
 
I doubt they will ever get a nuclear weapon but it could be possible for them to get some chemical or even biological weapons with all the cash and resources they have.
 

Blader

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No one is dumb enough to sell them a nuke, anyone who did would be invaded by NATO and the rest of the world within a fortnight, and even if someone were ISIS is more likely to accidentally blow themselves up than anything else.

We're talking about the same country that sheltered bin Laden for half a decade. There are clearly powerful enough interests in Pakistan that could give two shits about NATO and the rest of the world.
 

kswiston

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What does Pakistan stand to win by selling Isis nukes? Seems like any monetary gains would be completely off set by the rest of the world reaction.

Yeah. Selling Nukes to a group that openly plans to kill an enslave all non-muslims (or at least all people not part of the Abrahamic religions) if given the chance seems like a good way to get China, India, Russia AND the west to turn on you.

We're talking about the same country that sheltered bin Laden for half a decade. There are clearly powerful enough interests in Pakistan that could give two shits about NATO and the rest of the world.

There's a gigantic difference between sheltering a terrorist figurehead and selling nukes to a group that has a decent chance of using them.
 
Very scary to think about because they'll definitely use one if they have it.

The USA and other countries can't nuke them without causing colatetal damage since ISIS is so spread out.

They definitely won't. Having nukes and having the ability to launch them are two very different things. Look at North Korea, clearly have them, but still rely on CGI to try and convince the West they have the ability to launch them.
 

ponpo

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What does Pakistan stand to win by selling Isis nukes? Seems like any monetary gains would be completely off set by the rest of the world reaction.

It's not like it would be an official sale by the state or something. Corrupt official with access becomes a million/billionaire and disappears.

They probably know they couldn't launch it, they just want it. It's like me with Rosetta Stone, I'll never use it but it's nice to have.

I don't know where they would want to use it, but it's not like detonating it somewhere terrible is out of the question minus a launch platform.
 

Opto

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We're talking about the same country that sheltered bin Laden for half a decade. There are clearly powerful enough interests in Pakistan that could give two shits about NATO and the rest of the world.

Housing bin Laden doesn't get you glassed.
 
We're talking about the same country that sheltered bin Laden for half a decade. There are clearly powerful enough interests in Pakistan that could give two shits about NATO and the rest of the world.

The entire world would be against them obtaining Nukes. Bin Laden did not have a nuclear weapon.

The US, Russia, China, Israel, India, etc. everyone with nuclear capability would be against it.

If Pakistan was crazy enough to sell them one it would be fucked
 

sinxtanx

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Nuke where exactly?

so many possible nuke areas

if only I had a map with a large red circle on it to show you

ISIS probably has one of their own, with big red circles all over the place

what we truly need is a space laser
 
Uh, that's a scary thought

If these guys are able to recruit people smart enough but crazy enough to deal with wmd business they could fuck shit up big time
 

Blader

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There's a gigantic difference between sheltering a terrorist figurehead and selling nukes to a group that has a decent chance of using them.

I'm not saying the entire Pakistani government is offically sanctioning the sale of a nuke to ISIS, just as the entire government wasn't concealing Bin Laden's whereabouts. But there are a handful of people there with the influence to pull off the latter, why is it impossible that there'd be similarly a handful to do the former too?
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
We're talking about the same country that sheltered bin Laden for half a decade. There are clearly powerful enough interests in Pakistan that could give two shits about NATO and the rest of the world.

There's a huge difference between hiding a guy, even Bin Laden, and selling ISIS a nuke. If they went and did it every nuclear power in the world would flip their shit and come down hard on them, the whole point of getting nukes isn't to use them but so that no one will use them on you. Having a country selling them to the highest bidder would destroy any semblance of balance we've managed to create and start a huge panic. Pakistan would have to be run by suicidal nutjobs to even consider this a good thing.

I'm not saying the entire Pakistani government is offically sanctioning the sale of a nuke to ISIS, just as the entire government wasn't concealing Bin Laden's whereabouts. But there are a handful of people there with the influence to pull off the latter, why is it impossible that there'd be similarly a handful to do the former too?

Because hiding Bin Laden doesn't cause the entire world to want to wipe you off the map out of fear.
 
I'm not saying the entire Pakistani government is offically sanctioning the sale of a nuke to ISIS, just as the entire government wasn't concealing Bin Laden's whereabouts. But there are a handful of people there with the influence to pull off the latter, why is it impossible that there'd be similarly a handful to do the former too?

Im willing to bet any movement of a nuclear device in the area would be known by the US almost instantly.
 

Crisco

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I mean, at this point we're just helping them spread propaganda lol. There is no way this is even remotely plausible, not within a year, not within 10 years.
 

Rubenov

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It's not like it would be an official sale by the state or something. Corrupt official with access becomes a million/billionaire and disappears.

Nah, huge infrastructures and tons of people watch over them. Not likely for anyone just to sneak one out.
 
I mean, at this point we're just helping them spread propaganda lol. There is no way this is even remotely plausible, not within a year, not within 10 years.

Well I wouldn't give them any chances, lol. Burn them from the face of the Earth just in case.
 

Jedi2016

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And they're probably stupid enough to use it. And the entire world will go from condemning their actions via strongly-worded letter to full-on military mobilization... the gloves would come off, for everyone, and they'd be utterly obliterated before they could finish their victory dance.
 

B-Dubs

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And they're probably stupid enough to use it. And the entire world will go from condemning their actions via strongly-worded letter to full-on military mobilization... the gloves would come off, for everyone, and they'd be utterly obliterated before they could finish their victory dance.

And then they'd all go after the guys that sold it to them.
 
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