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[Boke1879]

Because Capcom already created perfection in the PC and 360 versions. It wasn't Capcom idea, this was Sonys. Capcom gave them the shot. Sony dropped the ball And Capcom went to plan B.

lmaoo you really act like Capcom is an innocent party in all of this. Sure Sony may have approached them first but Capcom no doubt took money and agreed to this. They also had no issue in accepting the 500k prize pot money Sony put up.

Don't act like Capcom was bullied into this. They agreed to this and they should have had eyes on it. It's one of their flagship games. They signed the dotted like to have this version be the one used for their pro circuit.

Also Capcom provides the code to port over correct? So why are people saying the PS3 version is the base when their is PC code that could have been ported over? Capcom provides the code. Sony and Other Ocean can't make the game from nothing.

 

[sleepykyo]

Because Capcom already created perfection in the PC and 360 versions. It wasn't Capcom idea, this was Sonys. Capcom gave them the shot. Sony dropped the ball And Capcom went to plan B.

Perfection is a bit of stretch. That aside, while Sony is awful for being cheap, Capcom isn't without blame. SF, is Capcom's property, they chose to put the brand at risk by lending it to Sony.

 

[『Inaba Resident』]

I know right

Yeah, I mean all you have to do is get pass the "press start" screen to know that something is wrong.

 

[Curufinwe]

Hopefully the fallout from this is bad enough that companies stop cheaping out on remasters. Either do them well, or don't do them at all.

 

[Dai101]

Don't the fighting people hate 360 controller for fighting games?

This should be good lol

Meet SnakeEyez

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgEUGqTFaq8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hboS_Feiow4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUyhM1Ci0Ko

Top Class Zangief player. He uses a pad.

Plus, any other figth game entusiast have at least one Arcade style stivk or more, or one that is compatible in multiple consoles.

Or a Hitbox

 

[c0de]

Also Capcom provides the code to port over correct? So why are people saying the PS3 version is the base when their is PC code that could have been ported over? Capcom provides the code. Sony and Other Ocean can't make the game from nothing.

Perhaps Sony has tools to port ps3 code to ps4? Just because there is a pc version doesn't mean it's easier to port to ps4.

 

[YianGaruga]

Yeah, I mean all you have to do is get pass the "press start" screen to know that something is wrong.

PS4 doesn't even have a start button

 

[Boke1879]

Perhaps Sony has tools to port ps3 code to ps4? Just because there is a pc version doesn't mean it's easier to port to ps4.

In theory it should be easier to port PC to PS4 and vice versa. That being said. The PS3 version is gimped. Why would Capcom provide the code to the worst version of the game rather than the best? PC?

 

[Miles Quaritch]

There are reports of the PS3 version being the base version of this port. How did Capcom not provide the PC code to port over? They made an agreement with Sony to use this version of the game for the pro tournament circuit. Capcom should have been hands on as well.

Technical issues aside. You can trust SOny or Other Ocean to know the nuances of this sort of game. Point blank Capcom should have had eyes and FGC testers on this as well seeing as they knew this was going to be the version that would be used in their own tournament going forward. I blame all 3 parties equally.

There's nothing to suggest that Capcom didn't give Sony the PC code, perhaps Sony and Other Ocean decided it would be more cost effective and easier to use the PPS3 code?

You're assuming in one direction, but not the other?

No. Capcom should have kept a closer eye on the title, QA. They should have made sure the proper version was ported and that this version was up to the standards they set.

Capcom are keeping an eye on their title, that being SF5. That's where their all their attention clearly lay as it's the next entry in their flagship series.

I don't believe it was for Capcom to keep a close eye on USF4, rather they should have just said no when asked if they a port would be possible.

 

[Boke1879]

There's nothing to suggest that Capcom didn't give Sony the PC code, perhaps Sony and Other Ocean decided it would be more cost effective and easier to use the PPS3 code?

You're assuming in one direction, but not the other?



Capcom are keeping an eye on their title, that being SF5. That's where their all their attention clearly lay as it's the next entry in their flagship series.

I don't believe it was for Capcom to keep a close eye on USF4, rather they should have just said no when asked if they a port would be possible.

Capcom provides the code to use. If the provided the worst version of the game. They deserve blame. They deserve blame anyway for not keeping a close eye on it.

You can't ignore the fact that Capcom agreed to have the PS4 version be the one showcased for their pro fighting circuit. That will no doubt be viewed by hundreds of thousands of people. Yet you say they shouldn't have kept an eye on it? You say it like they don't have any stock in this version of the game. They should have had eyes on it/ dedicated a small number of people to check up on the game. Hell at least test it when it was completed. They didn't. They dropped the ball here too. All parties dropped the ball.

 

[Projectjustice]

Do you guys even play SF? If you do add me. Let's have some matches. Steam Projectjustice and XBL Projectjustice. PSN Projectjustice77, we should wait a few patches first Lol. I highly doubt those arguing with me even play.

Anyways, I already expressed my opinion. You are entitled to yours.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

There's nothing to suggest that Capcom didn't give Sony the PC code, perhaps Sony and Other Ocean decided it would be more cost effective and easier to use the PPS3 code?

You're assuming in one direction, but not the other?



Capcom are keeping an eye on their title, that being SF5. That's where their all their attention clearly lay as it's the next entry in their flagship series.

I don't believe it was for Capcom to keep a close eye on USF4, rather they should have just said no when asked if they a port would be possible.

Yes, yes it absolutely is their job. There's no point in arguing hypotheticals. They took the money for pro tour. They elected to let their game be ported.

And it goes without saying that they are working on sfv, that's the reason other ocean is porting the game. One is not nearly as resource intensive as the other. And sfv is going to have a public beta test.

 

[Frank Serpico]

Other Ocean had one job

 

[Korezo]

Do you guys even play SF? If you do add me. Let's have some matches. Steam Projectjustice and XBL Projectjustice. PSN Projectjustice77, I doubt we should play on there at the moment. Lol. I highly doubt those arguing with me even play.

Anyways, I already expressed my opinion. You are entitled to yours.

Doesn't matter if people play sf, everyone should be mad that broken games keep releasing.

 

[Shadoken]

I really wonder why nobody got an early test build or something . Surely even any random person at SOny or Capcom could have detected the menu lag at the very least .



And for all those saying Capcom should have kept a closer eye ? Do you mean Capcom should have done the QA internally ?

 

[Projectjustice]

Doesn't matter if people play sf, everyone should be mad that broken games keep releasing.

Good thing no one here is having that argument.

 

[Boke1879]

I really wonder why nobody got an early test build or something . Surely even any random person at SOny or Capcom could have detected the menu lag at the very least .



And for all those saying Capcom should have kept a closer eye ? Do you mean Capcom should have done the QA internally ?

Sure. Even if there were no technical glitches in this game. Can you trust Sony or Other Ocean to know the frame data and other nuances to look for in this game?

 

[BronsonLee]

Wait, what happens to the pot bonus that Sony put up? Does Capcom still keep that shit?! That can't be right.

 

[Shadoken]

Do you guys even play SF? If you do add me. Let's have some matches. Steam Projectjustice and XBL Projectjustice. PSN Projectjustice77, we should wait a few patches first Lol. I highly doubt those arguing with me even play.

Anyways, I already expressed my opinion. You are entitled to yours.

Forget them , I have noticed this ever since SSF4. Half the hate comes from people who never play SF.

Sony defense force is here in full force . Remember borderlands vita ? Yea I bet we should blame 2k for that too.

And now soon yakuza 5 will come out Witt Lolworthy subs and everyone will blame Sega.

 

[Dai101]

Wait, what happens to the pot bonus that Sony put up? Does Capcom still keep that shit?! That can't be right.

Why not? They fucked up royally at letting OO handle this project. Fuck 'em.

 

[Shadoken]

Sure. Even if there were no technical glitches in this game. Can you trust Sony or Other Ocean to know the frame data and other nuances to look for in this game?

If it was provided to them then yes . It's right there on Srk for god sake . So unless Capcom handled the QA themselves I really don't get he keep an eye I it comment .

You either do it or you don't . Sony 3rd party group has so far only done major fuckups and are really not funded well.

 

[Boke1879]

Forget them , I have noticed this ever since SSF4. Half the hate comes from people who never play SF.

Sony defense force is here in full force . Remember borderlands vita ? Yea I bet we should blame 2k for that too.

And now soon yakuza 5 will come out Witt Lolworthy subs and everyone will blame Sega.

Seems like no one has a problem blaming Sony. They fucked up by giving this to a cheap dev. But in no way is Capcom free from blame imo

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Thank god everyone who defended the PS4 version has triumphed. Defending something can really get you this far...

 

[Kikujiro]

And now soon yakuza 5 will come out Witt Lolworthy subs and everyone will blame Sega.

We are covered:

Actually, it turns out that Inbound Games is handling the translation (They handled Y2 and assisted Pole to Win with every localized Yakuza game afterwards), so it will be consistent.

 

[Shadoken]

Seems like no one has a problem blaming Sony. They fucked up by giving this to a cheap dev. But in no way is Capcom free from blame imo

They aren't , but everyone seems to be bashing Capcom way more than Sony . Just go through the posts.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Wait, what happens to the pot bonus that Sony put up? Does Capcom still keep that shit?! That can't be right.

Sony should let capcom keep that shit. They own a lot of the blame.

 

[Boke1879]

If it was provided to them then yes . It's right there on Srk for god sake . So unless Capcom handled the QA themselves I really don't get he keep an eye I it comment .

You either do it or you don't . Sony 3rd party group has so far only done major fuckups and are really not funded well.

Can you name me their major fuck ups outside of this one?


ALso yes Capcom should have kept an eye on this. It's supposed to be the version played on their OWN tournament circuit. So unless you admit Capcom just didn't give a fuck(which speaks more to them) then yes they should have kept an eye on this since they have a vested interest in this.

 

[Ragingnight]

this is definitely capcom and sony's fault.

Are you telling me, combofiend was like "hey this ps4 version is a-okay?" Yeah I doubt it.

Capcom definitely knew the port was straight ass. They just didn't give enough shit to talk to whoever was needed and be like "we can't release this"

Remember all those times those capcom and former capcom producers complained about the capcom's executive? yeah I blame those people

They aren't , but everyone seems to be bashing Capcom way more than Sony . Just go through the posts.

because capcom of all people should know when the game is busted. They are saying its the best for tournament players. Do you think sony knows whats was needed to make it the tournament platform game? Probably not, who is there FGC person?. But capcom has combofiend and haunts.

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Look, if you are going to say "hey this version of the game is the best and it will be the tournament standard", you better test that shit yourselves and I would bet that combofiend and/or haunts have played the PS4 to some capacity and would of noticed the problems

 

[Shadoken]

this is definitely capcom and sony's fault.

Are you telling me, combofiend was like "hey this ps4 version is a-okay?" Yeah I doubt it.

Capcom definitely knew the port was straight ass. They just didn't give enough shit to talk to whoever was needed and be like "we can't release this"

Remember all those times those capcom and former capcom producers complained about the capcom's executive? yeah I blame those people



because capcom of all people should know when the game is busted. They are saying its the best for tournament players. Do you think sony knows whats was needed to make it the tournament platform game? Probably not, who is there FGC person?. But capcom has combofiend and haunts.

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Look, if you are going to say "hey this version of the game is the best and it will be the tournament standard", you better test that shit yourselves and I would bet that combofiend and/or haunts have played the PS4 to some capacity and would of noticed the problems

There is definitely more to this story that we aren't hearing ?

Why would Capcom risk their brand name if they know the version is complete ass? Either they never bothered to check or the game was released as soon as they got an alpha running or something .


I really don't understand why a company would KNOWINGLY market and promote a version that's complete ASs when they have already made 10 other godlk versions. It's ridiculously dumb even by Capcom standards.

 

[Ragingnight]

There is definitely more to this story that we aren't hearing ?

Why would Capcom risk their brand name if they know the version is complete ass? Either they never bothered to check or the game was released as soon as they got an alpha running or something .


I really don't understand why a company would KNOWINGLY market and promote a version that's complete ASs when they have already made 10 other godlk versions. It's ridiculously dumb even by Capcom standards.

executives don't give a shit. Listen to the capcom employees and ex employees. Why do you think capcom has bled out so much talent in the past decade?

This is the same company that couldn't be bothered to spell check the NAME of their game on a boxcover. The same company that couldn't be bothered to spell their own name right.

 

[Boke1879]

There is definitely more to this story that we aren't hearing ?

Why would Capcom risk their brand name if they know the version is complete ass? Either they never bothered to check or the game was released as soon as they got an alpha running or something .


I really don't understand why a company would KNOWINGLY market and promote a version that's complete ASs when they have already made 10 other godlk versions. It's ridiculously dumb even by Capcom standards.

You want my opinion of it all? Everyone involved wanted a timely port of the game to be released in time for EVO.

Personally I thought it was a bad move to make it the tournament standard releasing the game so close to EVO. Because no doubt there would be problems. Hell even the PC versions has problems when first released. I think that's it. They just wanted a timely port of the game.

and I think most everyone is pissed because both Sony and Capcom were championing this game as the definitive version.

 

[Tripon]

A reminder that Other Ocean owns their own QA studio.

 

[Projectjustice]

Forget them , I have noticed this ever since SSF4. Half the hate comes from people who never play SF.

Sony defense force is here in full force . Remember borderlands vita ? Yea I bet we should blame 2k for that too.

And now soon yakuza 5 will come out Witt Lolworthy subs and everyone will blame Sega.

Yup! Completely agree.

 

[vg260]

What makes you think that they didn't keep a closer eye on this? In a day of age that post patches is when games are actually finished. If you haven't noticed Capcom is busy working on other projects. They had zero plans to port Ultra to begin with. This was Sony's idea to reinforce their system as thr fighting system for the generation. You act like Capcom, Sony and Other Ocean all live in a room together. This is Sony a fault for low balling the port cost Period.

I honestly don't understand how anyone can not see all three parties sharing a piece of the responsibility here for how this turned out. This would have never happened if Capcom did not lend out their IP to another developer to manage. If Capcom never farms out their IP, there is never a bad port.

However, if you want to say Capcom was not at fault in any way, it's pretty fair to say it was stupid as hell for lending out a flagship IP and not having the sense to heck on it to some degree given the fact that they had made this standard for their flagship event series and one of the biggest tournaments of the year so close to release.

Maybe they did try to check in for QA and honestly tried, Sony didn't live up to their end of the bargain, Sony refused to budge and Capcom is pissed. That would be just about the only scenario where you could say they weren't at least partially at fault for the results. Maybe.

 

[Shadoken]

Maybe they did try to check in for QA and honestly tried, Sony didn't live up to the end of the bargain, Sony refused to budge and Capcom is pissed. That would be just about the only scenario where you could say they weren't at fault for the results. Maybe.

This is honestly what I think happened. But this just seems like such a dumb move on everyone's side.

The money they are going to get from this port is barely anything , so why even keep such a harsh deadline. They could have even released it a month from now.



why didn't Sony even put out a fkin gameplay vid for the game. We were literally in the dark till game released . It was like they knew the game was ass but we're just reassuring everyone it's fine.

Capcom thinking hey it's a PS3 to ps4 conversion who's better at the job than Sony themselves right ? WRONG.

Also you can bet something like this is going to affect trust issues between Capcom and Sony. I hope Capcom does SFV in its entirety and doesn't hand over small parts of development to Sony or something .

 

[vg260]

I want to see some sort of interview about this so badly. I want to see rare footage of Ono actually angry.

I doubt anyone would say anything, but I want someone to just ask "What happened?"

 

[LakeEarth]

A reminder that Other Ocean owns their own QA studio.

I can imagine the QA tester's notes on this game in the final weeks.

"Menus are moving in slow motion. Why has this not been fixed yet?"
"Title screen says press start. The PS4 controller has no start button. This should be a 2 minute fix!"
"Input lag is highly evident, despite the press releases to the contrary. Better fix this soon, time is running out."
"Why am I hearing Zangief robot walking noises when I pick Dudley? Is anyone paying attention to me?"
"I don't know why I even bothered come to work anymore. No one reads my notes. Bears are great pets for 2 year olds. I am God. Hamburgers are an abomination."
"...Still have a job. Confirmed, no one is paying attention."

 

[Diablohead]

PS4 doesn't even have a start button

that's what he means.

 

[Shadoken]

Also the switch to 360 pretty much confirms Sony doesn't give a shit and that the upcoming patch is probably gonna do jack squat . I hope Sony proves me wrong though, I really wanted this to be the definitive version.

 

[Ragingnight]

There are some hardcore Capcom fanboys that would make the regulars in the FGW thread facepalm. Holy shit.

And these are the same people talking about people who are putting the blame on both capcom and sony as "sony fanboys"

Also the switch to 360 pretty much confirms Sony doesn't give a shit and that the upcoming patch is probably gonna do jack squat . I hope Sony proves me wrong though, I really wanted this to be the definitive version.

No it doesn't. That is the most logical step with CEO in the coming weeks and EVO in a month. It doesn't confirm anything. It would take atleast a few weeks to make a patch and atleast a week to test it (AT THE VERY LEAST). Your bias is so strong that the only thing missing is SF quotes at the end of every post.

 

[Cuyejo]

There is definitely more to this story that we aren't hearing ?

Why would Capcom risk their brand name if they know the version is complete ass? Either they never bothered to check or the game was released as soon as they got an alpha running or something .


I really don't understand why a company would KNOWINGLY market and promote a version that's complete ASs when they have already made 10 other godlk versions. It's ridiculously dumb even by Capcom standards.

This is modern day Capcom we are talking about, they risk their brand name by themselves nowadays.

 

[Shadoken]

There are some hardcore Capcom fanboys that would make the regulars in the FGW thread facepalm. Holy shit.

And these are the same people talking about people who are putting the blame on both capcom and sony as "sony fanboys"


No it doesn't. That is the most logical step with CEO in the coming weeks and EVO in a month. It doesn't confirm anything. It would take atleast a few weeks to make a patch and atleast a week to test it (AT THE VERY LEAST). Your bias is so strong that the only thing missing is SF quotes at the end of every post.

You need to calm the Fuk down. Only one here being a fanboy here is you calling me out. When I never said Capcom doesn't deserve the blame.

Yet at the very mention of Sony you are getting angry.


Also they should have been working on a patch much before the games actual release since it was submitted much earlier than that.

 

[016]

At this point, there's no longer any need to point fingers at who's at fault. I'm more curious about whether these issues can be fixed in a long run, especially the input lag. If anyone can answer, please do so.

 

[Cipherr]

What an embarrassingly terrible clusterfuck. Them having to swap to 360 is like a punch in the eye to Sony.

Ridiculous.

A shame too, because it could have been a really neat thing for both parties. The whole pot thing was a great idea. Execution is where it all went awry.

 

[Dai101]

I'm more curious about whether these issues can be fixed in a long run, especially the input lag. If anyone can answer, please do so.

Well, the ps3 versión of the game still has input lag and it's been years that way even if been patched and patched with every revisión of the game. I guess that aswers all your questions.

 

[Ragingnight]

At this point, there's no longer any need to point fingers at who's at fault. I'm more curious about whether these issues can be fixed in a long run, especially the input lag. If anyone can answer, please do so.

it will be fixed in time imo. Would be dumb not to considering I would assume its just class-action lawsuit bait

You need to calm the Fuk down. Only one here being a fanboy here is you calling me out. When I never said Capcom doesn't deserve the blame.

Yet at the very mention of Sony you are getting angry.


Ask they should have been working on a patch much before the games actual release since it was submitted much earlier than that.

im not actually angry and I have said since the beginning that sony was at fault. I know reading can be difficult.

But nice try? I mean you're the one already cussing. You and projectjustice should just get a lobby together and play.

 

[016]

Well, the ps3 versión of the game still has input lag and it's been years that way even if been patched and patched with every revisión of the game. I guess that aswers all your questions.

I see.

 

[Shadoken]

it will be fixed in time imo. Would be dumb not to considering I would assume its just class-action lawsuit bait



im not actually angry and I have said since the beginning that sony was at fault. I know reading can be difficult.

But nice try? I mean you're the one already cussing.

Yup clearly I was pointing at you and calling you a Sony fanboy. I have no idea where I insulted you when I quoted your post. But hey , what do I know reading is difficult and you are clearly posting in a calm and unbiased manner.

 

[016]

im not actually angry and I have said since the beginning that sony was at fault. I know reading can be difficult.

But nice try? I mean you're the one already cussing.

Wait, why am I quoted? I'm not pointing specific people in this thread.

Edit: oh I misread the post. Phone screwed me up

 

[Ragingnight]

Wait, why am I quoted? I'm not pointing specific people in this thread.

I answered your question about it being fixed in the long run.

Yup clearly I was pointing at you and calling you a Sony fanboy. I have no idea where I insulted you when I quoted your post. But hey , what do I know reading is difficult and you are clearly posting in a calm and unbiased manner.

Forget them , I have noticed this ever since SSF4. Half the hate comes from people who never play SF.

Sony defense force is here in full force . Remember borderlands vita ? Yea I bet we should blame 2k for that too.

And now soon yakuza 5 will come out Witt Lolworthy subs and everyone will blame Sega.

its not the fact that you called me or anybody but I despise idiots that resort to a stupid dismissive answer. "O I can't make a good argument so I'll just dismiss them as being XYZ fanboys/defense force". It could of been any name beside sony and I would of still given you the same response.