NealMcCauley
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Not hard to figure out when Frank Miller gets the first special thanks credit at the end of the movie.
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Batman v. Superman RT Thread: like standing ovations in rain
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Not hard to figure out when Frank Miller gets the first special thanks credit at the end of the movie.
Venom's not a superhero!
Boy I hope you mean George Miller. Frank can defintely whip up some dogshit.
That's not really what people are saying. But yeah, maybe a batman and superman film should have a more hopeful tone.
AstroNut325
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That... Doesn't sound very assuring.
LegendofDragoonLives
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How is Landis' new Superman comic? Greg Miller invited him for an interview at his show and raves about it. Does he get Supes?
George Miller was supposed to make JL movie right? Maybe he can take over.
Marvel at least seems to take feedback to heart even if they don't always stick the landing. IM2 was too samey and concerned with set up so they got Shane Black to create a independent Tony Stark movie. Thor TDW is mediocre and they recognize that and have said they want Ragnarok to do for the character what Winter Soldier did for Cap. Avengers was too fluffy so AoU had more serious character moments and dramatic/philosophical beats. The end of the world story is overdone so they made Ant-Man a compact story about fathers and their daughters. I'm not saying they always fix their problems or ignoring the fact that they frequently create new issues for themselves but at least they're clearly trying.
BvS sounds like they doubled down on the MoS criticisms as well as creating brand new problems.
Glass Shark
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If the stuff I saw Landis say on ScreenJunkies is any indication, I think he at least gets Supes better than Snyder.
keltickennedy
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Pai Pai Master
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You say that, but you know it isn't true
Comic book movies should also be "serious" if they want to be and Nolan's Batverse will still be held up as the golden standard for that approach. Unfortunately, there will still be filmmakers who look up to it for all the wrong reasons.
I honestly don't understand why this hasn't happened. Like, can someone give me a reason? The Feige role is MEANT for Timm and Dini.
What more of a resume do they need?
This actually upsets me.
They got one guy watching over things. His name is Zack Snyder.
Talladega Knight
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After this movie makes $300 million plus opening weekend?
Pai Pai Master
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That... Doesn't sound very assuring.
Well I haven't seen it so don't take my word for it. Just pointing out what some reviews appear to be saying about the structure of the film. IMO if Man of Steel didn't turn you off by how it characterized Superman, then I don't see how this would be much different.
Definitely looking forward to seeing it for myself though.
LSauchelli
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If George Miller takes over, that'd be a huge improvement, and maybe they still have time, since filming hasn't really begun and Terrio probably had time to fix anything disgustingly wrong with the JL Script.
Max Landis' American Alien is maybe one of the best Superman stories ever. He totally gets the character.
This is a massive, MASSIVE hyperbole, but it's a good point that WB meticulously planned the whole DCEU for a nearly entire decade and it might be on course to crash and burn before it even takes off. Not as bad as Spiderman Extended Universe, that was a thoroughly awful idea, but Snyder might doom the idea of Justice League movies for a long, long time.
LegendofDragoonLives
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Damn is the run over? Might order it on amazon or local comic book shop.
Jesus Christ, people.
You don't have to, it's not a rule, you are right. But it doesn't seem that what they are doing is working any better either. A lot of the complaints about WW in this movie
are that she's barely in it and the character is paper thin
That's why I imagine people say they are rushing their way through it. You can have an ensemble movie right off the bat, or you can have a cameo that sets up something else, but from what I read it mostly feels like stuffing.
*This isn't really a spoiler I think (haven't seen the movie), just what I've seen from spoiler-free reviews, but just in case.
For all you people outraged at the superman behavior because of that dude trying to spurt hate :
Superman does look bad in the intro because 10 people die in africa before Lois is in danger then heshows up to save HER. It's a point in the movie later on, for both characters. Clark wants to be a better hero and Lois is haunted by all those people that got killed. It turns out it was a set up by Lex, they were not really responsible.
As for the bomb, Clark had no idea it was a bomb. He figured it out when he saw the panic on the senator's face, he turned his head and heard the detonator, the bomb instantly exploded. He wasn't being passive on purpose here.
Superman does the ultimate sacrifice for the sake of the world, at the end.
As for the bomb, Clark had no idea it was a bomb. He figured it out when he saw the panic on the senator's face, he turned his head and heard the detonator, the bomb instantly exploded. He wasn't being passive on purpose here.
Superman does the ultimate sacrifice for the sake of the world, at the end.
While I don't give much thought to what critics think, this whole thing is like Ian Malcolm's speech in Jurassic Park:
" If I may... Um, I'll tell you the problem with the DC Cinematic universe you're trying to create here, it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it.You stood on the shoulders of Marvel, to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, packaged it, and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox and now, bam, you're selling it, you wanna sell it."
I've always been a fan of DC comics. I didn't become a Marvel fan until much later, probably around the mid to late 90's, but I've always loved them both. I've enjoyed the vast majority of the Marvel films, with only a few I didn't care that much for (mainly Iron Man 2 and Thor 2). Marvel took a risk with these films by putting that Avengers tease at the end of Iron Man 1. When that went over so well, they had to actually deliver on it, and I think they did.
DC jumped aboard the party late, and instead of just rolling with the fact that they showed up late and stag, they tried to play catch up. They didn't have the patience to put in place a 5-10 year plan for their cinematic universe, and as a result, it comes off as sloppy and poorly thought out.
I wanted to love Man of Steel. I thought the trailers were beautiful and evocative. Instead, I felt it was a joyless mess, with a fairly strong first half, that fell apart once Superman, in all his mopey, gloomy glory, showed up. I had hopes that Batman v Superman would be better. It was roughly adapting a pretty kickass Batman story (The Dark Knight Returns), and I never much had a problem with Henry Cavill as Superman in MoS, I just thought the tone didn't fit.
I also think it should be noted that both DC and Marvel comics have both light hearted and serious stories and characters. I don't think one does more than the other, as I've read both Marvel and DC comics for a long time before I eventually got tired of them and started reading more Image and Dark Horse. I'll still read the occasional trade paperback of note here or there, however.
The Marvel movies and shows have a lot of different tones, which reflect the source material. Some comics are lighter than others. I think there's enough variety in tone across the board, while still taking place in a connected universe.
A Superman movie that is bright and hopeful, and a Batman movie that is dark and gloomy, is exactly what we needed. It's what makes the contrast and juxtaposition of those two characters when they meet so engaging. Having a moping, depressed, joyless Superman go up against a moping, depressed, joyless Batman is just boring. While I'm more interested in Suicide Squad and Civil War than I ever was in Batman v Superman, I'm very bummed that this movie isn't being received so well, mainly by the people that have seen it, and not just critics.
I've never been a fan of Zack Snyder, although I did enjoy 300 and Watchmen as pretty decent adaptations of their source material, with the standard translation to film changes. But after Sucker Punch and Man of Steel, I was scratching my head as to why Warner Bros would put him in charge of their cinematic universe. I'll judge Batman v Superman for myself when I see it at some point in the future, but Snyder's track record doesn't have me hopeful.
" If I may... Um, I'll tell you the problem with the DC Cinematic universe you're trying to create here, it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it.You stood on the shoulders of Marvel, to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, packaged it, and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox and now, bam, you're selling it, you wanna sell it."
I've always been a fan of DC comics. I didn't become a Marvel fan until much later, probably around the mid to late 90's, but I've always loved them both. I've enjoyed the vast majority of the Marvel films, with only a few I didn't care that much for (mainly Iron Man 2 and Thor 2). Marvel took a risk with these films by putting that Avengers tease at the end of Iron Man 1. When that went over so well, they had to actually deliver on it, and I think they did.
DC jumped aboard the party late, and instead of just rolling with the fact that they showed up late and stag, they tried to play catch up. They didn't have the patience to put in place a 5-10 year plan for their cinematic universe, and as a result, it comes off as sloppy and poorly thought out.
I wanted to love Man of Steel. I thought the trailers were beautiful and evocative. Instead, I felt it was a joyless mess, with a fairly strong first half, that fell apart once Superman, in all his mopey, gloomy glory, showed up. I had hopes that Batman v Superman would be better. It was roughly adapting a pretty kickass Batman story (The Dark Knight Returns), and I never much had a problem with Henry Cavill as Superman in MoS, I just thought the tone didn't fit.
I also think it should be noted that both DC and Marvel comics have both light hearted and serious stories and characters. I don't think one does more than the other, as I've read both Marvel and DC comics for a long time before I eventually got tired of them and started reading more Image and Dark Horse. I'll still read the occasional trade paperback of note here or there, however.
The Marvel movies and shows have a lot of different tones, which reflect the source material. Some comics are lighter than others. I think there's enough variety in tone across the board, while still taking place in a connected universe.
A Superman movie that is bright and hopeful, and a Batman movie that is dark and gloomy, is exactly what we needed. It's what makes the contrast and juxtaposition of those two characters when they meet so engaging. Having a moping, depressed, joyless Superman go up against a moping, depressed, joyless Batman is just boring. While I'm more interested in Suicide Squad and Civil War than I ever was in Batman v Superman, I'm very bummed that this movie isn't being received so well, mainly by the people that have seen it, and not just critics.
I've never been a fan of Zack Snyder, although I did enjoy 300 and Watchmen as pretty decent adaptations of their source material, with the standard translation to film changes. But after Sucker Punch and Man of Steel, I was scratching my head as to why Warner Bros would put him in charge of their cinematic universe. I'll judge Batman v Superman for myself when I see it at some point in the future, but Snyder's track record doesn't have me hopeful.
Crazyorloco
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Even with 40 percent on rotten tomatoes I can't wait to see this.
I enjoyed Man of Steel and people are saying this is better than that, so I think i'm going to enjoy it. I like this different take on Superman. Leave the comedy to marvel and the 1980's superman.
I enjoyed Man of Steel and people are saying this is better than that, so I think i'm going to enjoy it. I like this different take on Superman. Leave the comedy to marvel and the 1980's superman.
TheFuzz
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I'm baffled by people that are cancelling their plans to see a movie based on reviews.
The same people who thought AoU was going to be great and bought tickets ended up hating it after seeing it. How is this any different?
If you were wanting to see it before yesterday, you shouldn't change your plans. See it for yourself. If anything, you may like it more because of the expectations being in check instead of expecting the movie of the year.
The same people who thought AoU was going to be great and bought tickets ended up hating it after seeing it. How is this any different?
If you were wanting to see it before yesterday, you shouldn't change your plans. See it for yourself. If anything, you may like it more because of the expectations being in check instead of expecting the movie of the year.
Saint Gregory
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Welp, looks like I'll be going to see an awful movie this weekend "/
I'm sure it's been asked a million times but what has Zack Snyder done in the last ten years that made WB think he was capable of helming this franchise?
I'm sure it's been asked a million times but what has Zack Snyder done in the last ten years that made WB think he was capable of helming this franchise?
I did make sure to say "absurdly", plus grimdark is usually used as a derisive term. I don't think anyone would seriously refer to The Dark Knight as "grimdark"; it's a serious film. I am all for superhero films (and tv series, Daredevil season 2 was excellent) handling serious subject matter.
link1201
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Lmao.
keltickennedy
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I get the impression that a lot of these critics are just fed up with superhero movies. I will judge for myself tomorrow.
I really liked Man of Steel btw. Only gripe was the Papa Kent thing.
I really liked Man of Steel btw. Only gripe was the Papa Kent thing.
Screaming Meat
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Is that the same Frank Miller who pretty much saved Batman from forever being associated with the camp 60s show and wrote what many consider to be two of the defining comics - not only about that particular character - but of the medium itself? That Frank Miller?
Amazing!
I could certainly see this. AoU was really boring. I'd rather watch a trainwreck than that.
Glass Shark
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I think the movie was really bad and my opinion of it keeps dropping the more time I spend thinking about it, but I still encourage people to go see it and form their own opinion.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Because Dini is a TV guy with no actual experience when it comes to producing major motion pictures. Asking him to take on an entire universe of the biggest budget movies in cinema history as his first job sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. And Timm is an artist.
Is that the same Frank Miller who pretty much saved Batman from forever being associated with the camp 60s show and wrote what many consider to be two of the defining comics - not only about that particular character - but of the medium itself? That Frank Miller?
Honestly, at this point I think the bad Frank Miller has done for the character outweighs the good at this point.
As much as I dont like it, Batman
has killed someone in every live action movie except Batman and Robin. So this isn't much of a change
BruceLeeRoy
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Was that the last nail in coffin for - positive preview impressions?
shortsFortallPeople
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nope, because we'll see people jump all over them again for Civil War regardless of whether the film is good or not.
Is that the same Frank Miller who pretty much saved Batman from forever being associated with the camp 60s show and wrote what many consider two of the defining comics about the character?
I'm guessing you're young or just not that familiar with the comics.
Denny O'Neil and Neal Adams successfully ditched the camp a decade earlier than DKR. Miller's work on that mini-series, Batman: Year One, DD, and Wolverine is some of the best ever in terms of mainstream heroes (not to mention Sin City, Washington, etc.).
But when it comes to movies?
The dude's output has pretty consistently been shit. I think that's what he was getting at there. Totally fair.
Screaming Meat
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I think you're probably exaggerating the weight his later work holds compared to the influence his earlier stuff still has.
You would be incorrect on both fronts (a little bit rude/presumptuous too, if I may say). I was referring to mainstream perception of the character, which Miller absolutely changed. Denny and Neal didn't have that wide an appeal outside of comics.
ElBoxyBrown
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With the way WB treats their animation department like second fiddle are you surprised?
I think the law will prevent Disney from buying DC cuz if that were to happen Disney would have a monopoly on the comic and superhero market.
This is what I'm hoping for. Regardless of how bad the characters are portrayed, or how inconceivable the plot is, I'll still take a horrible interesting movie over a bland mediocre movie anyday.
Disney would sell its mother to buy DC if a deal was presented.
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