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Batman v. Superman RT Thread: like standing ovations in rain

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TS-08 said:
This was always going to be a success, but poor critical reception can hurt the cinematic universe long term, assuming the word of mouth isn't hugely favorable. A movie like Suicide Squad depends much more on positive critical reception and a strong reputation for DC movies. So the critics' response is important even if it only has a small effect on BvS in terms of its legs.
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Yup, this is the big thing. A movie like ant man or guardians was partially successful because audiences had gotten a taste of marvel films that were good quality and gave these movies a chance.

kurahador said:
Man if Disney decides to buy DC from WB, holy shit the meltdowns.
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A real fan would be happy if Disney bought them. Disney clearly knows how to handle their super hero franchises. They only area where wb beats them is the animated stuff, but movies and TV, Disney has handled the marvel universe quite well.
 
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RBelong2Us said:
The thing about Snyder is not only are the reception to most his movies polarizing but most of his films haven't even been that successful besides 300 and all those movies came out of WB. Dude must be charming as all f*cks.
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People love to hate on him.
 
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Apathy said:
A real fan would be happy if Disney bought them. Disney clearly knows how to handle their super hero franchises. They only area where wb beats them is the animated stuff, but movies and TV, Disney has handled the marvel universe quite well.
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I'd rather have something different.
 
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Apathy said:
A real fan would be happy if Disney bought them. Disney clearly knows how to handle their super hero franchises. They only area where wb beats them is the animated stuff, but movies and TV, Disney has handled the marvel universe quite well.
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No way I want Perlmutter near DC. If there was another CEO then yes.
 
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PBY said:
I could more folks, I really could, but by now I think you get the point: BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE is a travesty wrapped in a disaster inside an obscenity. It is steaming, rotten, sunbaked, oozing shit. As a critic, I can’t conceive that we’ll see a worse major studio movie this year. As an observer of the film business, I’m perversely fascinated to know what happens next now that one of the biggest studios on the planet has built multiple Summers worth of release slates around follow-ups to what’s turned out to be a Hindenbergian catastrophe. And as a comic book fan I am… suddenly feeling very, very old. And tired. I imagine it won’t last, but… for now… “tired” would indeed be the operative fucking word.


Wow.
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You know

I'm real depressed about how seemingly bad this movie is

But saying "I feel old and tired as a comic book fan" seems insane at this point.

We're in a golden age of comic book movies

Deadpool just kicked ass, Civil War looks awesome, and even looking at DC we have Suicide Squad which looks great. I am infinitely optimistic. At SOME point, they'll get Batman vs Superman, or Dark Knight Returns, or Justice League right.

It's just really unfortunate that they fucked it up right now, after making us wait for three years and building an entire cinematic universe around this film. We're just going to have to be very patient, it seems. First step is to take Snyder out of a position of power. they can still save next year's Justice League film... right?
 
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Catvoca said:
My theory would be that they're worried about the super hero market crashing in the next like 5-10 years, with people getting tired of the same sorts of action movies, and they wanted to hop on the train as fast as possible to try and make the most money right now.
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I'm there already--at least with Marvel. After Avengers, Winter Soldier, Iron Man 3, Guardians (great as that was) and Avengers 2 I was really starting to feel the superhero fatigue. They're mostly the same movie with the same plot and they just try to outdo the setpieces from the ones before it. Oddly enough, the ones that I haven't gotten sick of yet are the Fox movies. X-Men I still can't get enough of and Deadpool blew me away. DC hasn't offended me in the same way (but it has in entirely different ways), so I wouldn't say I'm fatigued with them yet, but I'm worried that I'll start to feel it by the time JL is out.

So guess it could be just the Marvel formula that I'm over. I'm still more excited to see this 40%RT BvS than I am to see the probably 80+% Civil War.
 
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Apathy said:
Yup, this is the big thing. A movie like ant man or guardians was partially successful because audiences had gotten a taste of marvel films that were good quality and gave these movies a chance.



A real fan would be happy if Disney bought them. Disney clearly knows how to handle their super hero franchises. They only area where wb beats them is the animated stuff, but movies and TV, Disney has handled the marvel universe quite well.
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i would love for Disney to buy DC. Warner Bros put the wrong people in charge at DC... The company was fine with Paul Levitz as president. And the animated movies have taken a dive since Bruce Timm isn't always in charge.
 
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I just hope Affleck wins me over. I have never really liked him. Not saying he is a bad actor, I just can't stand his face.... People saying he is the best bit about this movie have me worried.
 
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PBY

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Anth0ny said:
You know

I'm real depressed about how seemingly bad this movie is

But saying "I feel old and tired as a comic book fan" seems insane at this point.

We're in a golden age of comic book movies

Deadpool just kicked ass, Civil War looks awesome, and even looking at DC we have Suicide Squad which looks great. I am infinitely optimistic. At SOME point, they'll get Batman vs Superman, or Dark Knight Returns, or Justice League right.

It's just really unfortunate that they fucked it up right now, after making us wait for three years and building an entire cinematic universe around this film. We're just going to have to be very patient, it seems. First step is to take Snyder out of a position of power. they can still save next year's Justice League film... right?
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I don't know, I kind of get it. I feel pretty burnt out on comic book movies. The Marvel stuff was pretty cool at its inception, but the fill in the blanks to get to Tentpole X has kind of worn on me. If you're a fan of the source material, then that's awesome. But to me, who just wants to see fun, cool movies, the combined universe stuff has been both a blessing and a curse. Which is why it sucks that this movie is not only apparently bad, but that they're shoehorning a scheduled universe onto it. Suicide Squad should be good at least.
 
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Pai Pai Master

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AstroNut325 said:
I love Man of Steel. I ordered the 3D Blu-Ray.
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Characterization appears to be one of the most divisive factors of that movie and now this sequel, seems like this carries the baton from MoS and doesn't strive to make any fundamental changed to what worked for that movie - just seems a little bit sloppier in execution due to the Justice League balancing act it needs to pull.
 
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Ahasverus

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Discotheque said:
Perlmutter isn't the freaking Disney ceo

And fuck no I hope Disney never touches DC

A few snyder movies and people are losing their minds haha
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Disney is a well oiled machine, and they care about quality, I'd think that an hypothetical Disney DC would not be pussyfied, just more focused. That is, if they don't merge it with Marvel, which would be catastrophic. TBH, DC comics game has been abysmal too, the management is terrible.
 
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VanWinkle said:
Does Snyder typically work with the same editor? I wonder if the movie would have been better if it was just edited better.
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Sounds like it was just super cut down to reduce the runtime. When reviewers are pointing out that there aren't any establishing shots, you know it's been butchered.
 
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kinggroin

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E the Shaggy said:
I've had time to sleep on it after seeing it last night and I just hate it more. This movie, if Man of Steel didn't do it already, will make you vehemently HATE Superman.

Movie spoilers:

At the beginning of the movie, following the horrific retelling of the events of Man of Steel from Bruce Wayne's perspective which is like 20 9/11s from the ground view, we're taken to Lois Lane in the desert, as shes captured by dudes with guns. Her photographer, who you think might be Jimmy Olsen, has his camera taken and is then shot violently in the head, no lie.

Lois is taken underground, Superman swoops in to save the day. How? By flying at the dude holding Lois at lightspeed and slamming him through about ten brick walls. There's absolute NO WAY that dude isn't paste.

In a later scene, Superman is standing in front of the senate and a man who lost his legs during Man of Steel's finale is sitting in the courtroom, Lex has strapped him with a bomb to detonate to make Superman look bad. Clark hears the click of the detonator, looks at the guy, and just lets the bomb go off. You see the fire just consume hundreds of people as Superman just stands there looking sad.

I can't believe people will take their kids to see this.
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BULLSHIT


NO FUCKING WAY IS THIS REAL
 
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RBelong2Us said:
The thing about Snyder is not only are the reception to most his movies polarizing but most of his films haven't even been that successful besides 300 and all those movies came out of WB. Dude must be charming as all f*cks.
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Warner Bros likes to treat their filmmakers well once they give them a success.

Which, can lead to things like Inception, and Fury Road and but can also lead to things like The Legend of Tarzan, or the entire careers of the Wachowski Sisters and Zach Snyder.
 
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PBY said:
I don't know, I kind of get it. I feel pretty burnt out on comic book movies. The Marvel stuff was pretty cool at its inception, but the fill in the blanks to get to Tentpole X has kind of worn on me. If you're a fan of the source material, then that's awesome. But to me, who just wants to see fun, cool movies, the combined universe stuff has been both a blessing and a curse. Which is why it sucks that this movie is not only apparently bad, but that they're shoehorning a scheduled universe onto it. Suicide Squad should be good at least.
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Yeah the formula is starting to get to me. I think it's why I loved Deadpool so much. He wasn't trying to save the world/universe from certain doom.
 
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PBY said:
I don't know, I kind of get it. I feel pretty burnt out on comic book movies. The Marvel stuff was pretty cool at its inception, but the fill in the blanks to get to Tentpole X has kind of worn on me. If you're a fan of the source material, then that's awesome. But to me, who just wants to see fun, cool movies, the combined universe stuff has been both a blessing and a curse. Which is why it sucks that this movie is not only apparently bad, but that they're shoehorning a scheduled universe onto it. Suicide Squad should be good at least.
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I guess I can see that.

Luckily for me, I'm not tired of the Marvel stuff at all. The build up towards the tentpole films is half the fun for me. Civil War should be incredible.

Even still, Deadpool was super fresh and Suicide Squad looks very unique as well.
 
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Chariot said:
Not the production of the movie itself, the position of the movie as a team-up as second movie. Marvel took time to build up and to Avengers and it worked out pretty good (even if you don't like it, it was received very positively and earned lotta money).

X-Men is a team comic book in the first place and Justice League is a series that took it's time to give characters their own little stories. One of the biggest benefits of Justice League were all the non-A-Listers that got time to shine.
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X-men being a team comic book doesn't mean that a Batman/Superman movie could not work before setting up "a couple" of Batman films before that. Both him and Wonder Woman could've been shown without having to explain their origins and the movie still work. Marvel didn't do it like that, yes, but that doesn't mean it's the only way it can work.

Go back and watch the first couple of episodes from the Justice League cartoon. It introduces characters very well, especially Wonder Woman, who is described as a 'rookie' of sorts even though she's not really that (she just is new to the world of men), but at the same time they introduce Martian Manhunter, and also Hawkgirl and a new Green lantern who apparently were active before the first episode, even though they never really showed up in any of the previous series.

A movie that's two and a half hours long has much more time to show who these characters are, and why they're doing what they're doing. You don't need two movies to show who Batman or Wonder Woman are, you really don't.
 
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Carlisle said:
I'm there already--at least with Marvel. After Avengers, Winter Soldier, Iron Man 3, Guardians (great as that was) and Avengers 2 I was really starting to feel the superhero fatigue. They're mostly the same movie with the same plot and they just try to outdo the setpieces from the ones before it. Oddly enough, the ones that I haven't gotten sick of yet are the Fox movies. X-Men I still can't get enough of and Deadpool blew me away. DC hasn't offended me in the same way (but it has in entirely different ways), so I wouldn't say I'm fatigued with them yet, but I'm worried that I'll start to feel it by the time JL is out.

So guess it could be just the Marvel formula that I'm over. I'm still more excited to see this 40%RT BvS than I am to see the probably 80+% Civil War.
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With deadpool showing there is a market for an R rated superhero movie, I'm sure that will stave off fatigue longer than people thought. It opens up some new avenues for some superheroes to take and show not every one has to be a no blood/gore/family film.
 
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PBY said:
I don't know, I kind of get it. I feel pretty burnt out on comic book movies. The Marvel stuff was pretty cool at its inception, but the fill in the blanks to get to Tentpole X has kind of worn on me. If you're a fan of the source material, then that's awesome. But to me, who just wants to see fun, cool movies, the combined universe stuff has been both a blessing and a curse. Which is why it sucks that this movie is not only apparently bad, but that they're shoehorning a scheduled universe onto it. Suicide Squad should be good at least.
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The MCU has a dozen films out now and they still haven't shown Thanos's hands. He's become a running joke at this point. :lol
 
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LSauchelli said:
X-men being a team comic book doesn't mean that a Batman/Superman movie could not work before setting up "a couple" of Batman films before that. Both him and Wonder Woman could've been shown without having to explain their origins and the movie still work. Marvel didn't do it like that, yes, but that doesn't mean it's the only way it can work.

Go back and watch the first couple of episodes from the Justice League cartoon. It introduces characters very well, especially Wonder Woman, who is described as a 'rookie' of sorts even though she's not really that (she just is new to the world of men), but at the same time they introduce Martian Manhunter, and also Hawkgirl and a new Green lantern who apparently were active before the first episode, even though they never really showed up in any of the previous series.

A movie that's two and a half hours long has much more time to show who these characters are, and why they're doing what they're doing. You don't need two movies to show who Batman or Wonder Woman are, you really don't.
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Your right, but it makes things easier, ESPECIALLY if the writers you hire are not up to the task of doing it in one.
 
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LSauchelli said:
You don't need two movies to show who Batman or Wonder Woman are, you really don't.
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Doing a team-up ensemble movie is a lot easier when most of your actors and characters are established going into the movie though. I personally think it helps prevent characters from getting overlooked since you don't need to focus on building up one or two characters while others might drift into the background. This is one thing I really felt like The Avengers got right.
 
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Damn, this thread is so depressing, I was very hyped for the movie, I know that I don't need to take the critics so seriously but they lowered way down my expectations. At least now I come with lowered expectations, not like AoU that was for me a huge disappointment.
 
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Sephzilla said:
Doing a team-up ensemble movie is a lot easier when most of your actors and characters are established going into the movie though. I personally think it helps prevent characters from getting overlooked since you don't need to focus on building up one or two characters while others might drift into the background. This is one thing I really felt like The Avengers got right.
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The Avengers did a pretty good job standing on it's own IMO. Considering that Thor and Cap grossed less than 1/3rd of what Avengers did, it's safe to say that movie was the introduction to those characters for most of the people watching it.
 
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Dash_Riprock said:
Your right, but it makes things easier, ESPECIALLY if the writers you hire are not up to the task of doing it in one.
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Also, nerds, comic fans, yeah they know the backstories, and they go see the movies, but a large percentage of the people that go aren't that up to date with the lore, and while Batman is an A tier, almost universally known, WW isn't, no matter what people on forums think. It's why standalone films to give the characters life before mixing them together helped the marvel films. It makes characters easier to understand for the masses.
 
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Good. I love DC (more than Marvel),but while Hack Snyder is a the helm of the DCCU, I have no expectations of it ever being fun.

Shame it will probably only bomb critically, and not comercially :(
 
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LSauchelli

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Dash_Riprock said:
Your right, but it makes things easier, ESPECIALLY if the writers you hire are not up to the task of doing it in one.
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Yes, but the point is, I believe WB's sin wasn't that they didn't fund five films for each character before doing this, it's that they trusted Snyder to do something he's never really done. And it sounds like Terrio couldn't really fix everything. I shudder thinking how much of a mess the movie would've been if he hadn't taken over writing duties.

I expect in the next films of the DCCU for Snyder to have much less power and Affleck and a few other people to be able to go at him and tell him his ideas are a mess. Hell, I seriously think they should get Max Landis at least as a consultant so he can whack Snyder and tell him "that's not Superman, make him save people, or at least make him try!"
 
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E the Shaggy said:
I've had time to sleep on it after seeing it last night and I just hate it more. This movie, if Man of Steel didn't do it already, will make you vehemently HATE Superman.

Movie spoilers:

At the beginning of the movie, following the horrific retelling of the events of Man of Steel from Bruce Wayne's perspective which is like 20 9/11s from the ground view, we're taken to Lois Lane in the desert, as shes captured by dudes with guns. Her photographer, who you think might be Jimmy Olsen, has his camera taken and is then shot violently in the head, no lie.

Lois is taken underground, Superman swoops in to save the day. How? By flying at the dude holding Lois at lightspeed and slamming him through about ten brick walls. There's absolute NO WAY that dude isn't paste.

In a later scene, Superman is standing in front of the senate and a man who lost his legs during Man of Steel's finale is sitting in the courtroom, Lex has strapped him with a bomb to detonate to make Superman look bad. Clark hears the click of the detonator, looks at the guy, and just lets the bomb go off. You see the fire just consume hundreds of people as Superman just stands there looking sad.

I can't believe people will take their kids to see this.
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Silver lining here is that after this travesty we will never have to be subjected to another absurdly grimdark superhero movie again.
 
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Downhome

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One thing is for sure, while I'm still seeing this movie this weekend, I sure as heck wont be paying to see it in IMAX now.

I just don't understand how a living human can in any way screw up a Batman vs. Superman movie.
 
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Glass Shark

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Lock Morrison and Miller in a room together and force them to only come out when they have a script they can both agree on.

Surely the result couldn't be any worse than BvS.
 
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