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Batman v. Superman RT Thread: like standing ovations in rain
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Is there a wrong way to do speed?
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Slow..
Saint Gregory
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I just got back. I think my feelings can best be summed up by giving the film the title Batman v Superman: I Don't Understand Anyone's Motivations.
I just... really, I don't understand why anyone did anything that they were doing for the entirety of the film. It wasn't that the film didn't attempt to explain at times, it's just nothing made sense in the context of what was happening in the world. I could see people in my viewing looking at each other really confused, especially during the dream sequences.
Like several people noted it really felt like Zack filmed three different movies, put the scenes into some kind of randomizer and then sent it to print. Any director's cut of this movie will need to be heavily re-edited with at least 45 minutes of footage cut out and then put back together with new footage that actually connects the events in a way that tells a single coherent story. The final battle especially felt like it belonged in a future JL movie instead.
The audience in my viewing looked really drained at the end, one person tried to clap half-heartedly but stopped midway though. It was just a really strangely oppressive film to watch. I can definitely understand why some people like it, there's definitely stuff there to like, but you really have to have an incredible tolerance for bad storytelling to enjoy it and I really don't
Affleck did a great job, he should be really proud of his Batman, nightmare issues aside. Gal Gadot really impressed as well. Eisneberg's Lex was problematic and miscast
but really the least of the films problems in my opinion. Cavill had nothing to work with so I don't even know how to grade his performance. The supporting cast was fairly enjoyable too with some nice cameos. I'll give it a 6/10 with extra points just because I really enjoyed Bats and WW.
I just... really, I don't understand why anyone did anything that they were doing for the entirety of the film. It wasn't that the film didn't attempt to explain at times, it's just nothing made sense in the context of what was happening in the world. I could see people in my viewing looking at each other really confused, especially during the dream sequences.
Like several people noted it really felt like Zack filmed three different movies, put the scenes into some kind of randomizer and then sent it to print. Any director's cut of this movie will need to be heavily re-edited with at least 45 minutes of footage cut out and then put back together with new footage that actually connects the events in a way that tells a single coherent story. The final battle especially felt like it belonged in a future JL movie instead.
The audience in my viewing looked really drained at the end, one person tried to clap half-heartedly but stopped midway though. It was just a really strangely oppressive film to watch. I can definitely understand why some people like it, there's definitely stuff there to like, but you really have to have an incredible tolerance for bad storytelling to enjoy it and I really don't
Affleck did a great job, he should be really proud of his Batman, nightmare issues aside. Gal Gadot really impressed as well. Eisneberg's Lex was problematic and miscast
(is he the real Lex or his son?)
Snort it, smoke it, shoot it...Snyder!
Speed 2.
Strangelove77
Member
Picking on Thor movies because the movie you thought was going to be good sucked.
What stage is that closer to - denial or bargaining?
What stage is that closer to - denial or bargaining?
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Anger redux
Liquidsnake
Banned
I'm So I got out 30 min ago. No spoilers. Don't feel like reading 6/10
That opening with Affleck driving and running through the city being destroyed was excellent. Got me excited. Actually the first 30 min is pretty damn good.
I didn't like lex
I didn't like
at all.
WW was done about as well as anyone could have imagined.
Cavill is my favorite superman of all time
The movie then delves into nonsense. Is it a train wreck? No
Is it an abomination? No
Is it the movie I wanted? No
It has beautiful shots and glimpses of awesomeness, but it's to frenetic, and unfocused.
I'm starting to dislike these ensemble movies. They are to chaotic.
So much potential, but incredibly poorly written.
MOS for me is the best super hero movie to date. This was not close to that at all.
GF thought it was fun, I thought it was fun, but it is disappointing.
On to suicide squad.
That opening with Affleck driving and running through the city being destroyed was excellent. Got me excited. Actually the first 30 min is pretty damn good.
I didn't like lex
I didn't like
Doomsday
WW was done about as well as anyone could have imagined.
Cavill is my favorite superman of all time
The movie then delves into nonsense. Is it a train wreck? No
Is it an abomination? No
Is it the movie I wanted? No
It has beautiful shots and glimpses of awesomeness, but it's to frenetic, and unfocused.
I'm starting to dislike these ensemble movies. They are to chaotic.
So much potential, but incredibly poorly written.
MOS for me is the best super hero movie to date. This was not close to that at all.
GF thought it was fun, I thought it was fun, but it is disappointing.
On to suicide squad.
Ben Affleck was great. Yo when he was pumping iron I was getting hyped the fuck up!!! Dude was doing something... And it definitely wasn't yoga.
The fight between Batman v Superman was easily the best part of the movie for sure. That was worth the price of admission easily.
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So that second dream sequence. Um...... What was the purpose of it?????? IIRC it was actually like 2 dreams back to back when they knocked Batman out.
All of the drama of batman and superman meeting for the first time at the batmobile was totally trashed because of that stupid goddamn dream sequence. I'm starting to think it existed just as bait to throw us off in the trailers and commercials. Seriously there was no point of it existing in the actual movie AT ALL? From what I can see??
Doomsday, shoehorned in. Total hack job there but hey it wS great to see batman save Martha Kent. Second best sequence of the film.
The fight between Batman v Superman was easily the best part of the movie for sure. That was worth the price of admission easily.
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So that second dream sequence. Um...... What was the purpose of it?????? IIRC it was actually like 2 dreams back to back when they knocked Batman out.
All of the drama of batman and superman meeting for the first time at the batmobile was totally trashed because of that stupid goddamn dream sequence. I'm starting to think it existed just as bait to throw us off in the trailers and commercials. Seriously there was no point of it existing in the actual movie AT ALL? From what I can see??
Doomsday, shoehorned in. Total hack job there but hey it wS great to see batman save Martha Kent. Second best sequence of the film.
Hahaha
BvS needs to find its place on the GAF tier system. Need to start at the bottom and move up. Thor just so happens to be at the bottom.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Liquid didn't like it.
I'm shook.
I'm shook.
Saint Gregory
Member
Three actually, since he woke up into another that confused me even more than the other two. Truly the sequel to Inception we've been begging for -_-
MikeBreezy92
Member
There it is.
On reflection, this is up there with my least enjoyable theatrical experiences ever. My seat was fine, and the audience was fine, which are what usually sour the experience. This time around it really was the movie. I basically squirmed through most of it, literally face palming at times. The WTF? inducing editing. The repeated, heavy handed dream sequences (I swear the desert nightmare went on forever). Lex's twitchy monologues. The overly complicated yet also contradictory plot. The repeated, totally predictable and unnecessary fake outs at the end. Even more wait, what? editing decisions. The constant gloominess. Doomsday, my god.
Gonna have to watch a good movie tomorrow to purge this one. It wasn't even bad enough to be enjoyable, which is what I was kind of pulling for.
Gonna have to watch a good movie tomorrow to purge this one. It wasn't even bad enough to be enjoyable, which is what I was kind of pulling for.
WaterAstro
Member
Wonder Woman's not popular...
I don't see why Thor would be at the bottom when F4ntastic, ASM2, and Green Lantern all exist.
Seriously
Those films do not get a spot in the tier system. Everyone tries to forget they exist.
Liquidsnake
Banned
It could have been so much more.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
We've already determined The Spirit is, was, and ever will be the worst.
roflwaffles
Member
Thor 1 is leagues better than this. Thor 2 you have a case for.
No lies detected.
Saint Gregory
Member
Did you understand immediately that the intro was a dream sequence because I didn't and went immediately into 'wtf" mode. I could hear people near me grumbling too but fortunately I think I caught the monologue explaining it wasn't real.
The dreams were really something that should have been left in some kind of extra features reel or something like an Animatrix side project. I have no idea what Snyder was trying to do with those. We already know Bruce is messed up in the head.
Oh you mean Snyder's take on Black Panther?
clay_ghost
Member
I kinda kind that Catwoman have already been forgotten lol.
echoshifting
Banned
There's no Catwoman movie. You're not making any sense, friend
It really is astonishing that everyone involved in the decisions in this movie saw that and said "Yep, good enough."
Is The Spirit really worse than Catwoman, Elektra, Batman and Robin, Steel, and others? Cause if so, I actually want to watch it now.
Imagine a Snyder CBM movie done by someone even less competent than Snyder.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Imagine a superhero movie by a creatively bankrupt drunk old man man who learned everything he knows about filmmaking by watching Robert Rodriguez make Sin City for two weeks.
Gross. No more mention of The Spirit please.
Not gonna lie guys, I think the Rotten Tomatoes reviews actually made me enjoy the movie more. Just got back from it right now and I don't think it was as bad as everyone is making it out to be. Sure the beginning of the movie was literally all over the place, but once the half way point hit, I feel like the movie was starting to find some footing. I think the reviews got my expectations so low that I enjoyed it more lol
Honestly, I would give it 65/100. There were many dumb things about the movie I think the directors cut could solve (hopefully solve).
I have many words for Jesse Eisenberg as Lex (none are good).
Honestly, if it wasn't for Affleck and Godot carrying the movie, it would've ranked a lot lower for me.
And speaking of audiences, beside the odd chuckle at the movies excuses for comedy, the only problem was some asshole deciding to light a blunt in the row in front of us. Could smell and see the smoke coming from him against the screen. Had to deal with it since he was too far over to tell off myself and I wasn't about to leave the theatre in the middle of the movie to find someone willing to throw his ass out. It's way too late of a sitting for this long ass movie lol
Tl;Dr - The movie was pretty mediocre but better than rotten tomatoes has made it out to be (my opinion)
Edit: I'm personally starting to realize I may feel this positive about the movie because of the adrenaline and lack of sleep I have right now from the movie lol
Honestly, I would give it 65/100. There were many dumb things about the movie I think the directors cut could solve (hopefully solve).
I have many words for Jesse Eisenberg as Lex (none are good).
Honestly, if it wasn't for Affleck and Godot carrying the movie, it would've ranked a lot lower for me.
And speaking of audiences, beside the odd chuckle at the movies excuses for comedy, the only problem was some asshole deciding to light a blunt in the row in front of us. Could smell and see the smoke coming from him against the screen. Had to deal with it since he was too far over to tell off myself and I wasn't about to leave the theatre in the middle of the movie to find someone willing to throw his ass out. It's way too late of a sitting for this long ass movie lol
Tl;Dr - The movie was pretty mediocre but better than rotten tomatoes has made it out to be (my opinion)
Edit: I'm personally starting to realize I may feel this positive about the movie because of the adrenaline and lack of sleep I have right now from the movie lol
Jack Remington
Banned
It's also better than Iron Man 3.
Some of those are actually kind of entertaining in their awfulness.
The Spirit doesn't even accomplish that.
Zeyphersan
Banned
I'm Zeyphersan and this is my favorite thread on the NeoGAF
This is why I'm still excited to see it. Disney-era Marvel has done practically nothing for me. I liked Guardians for the visual aesthetic and soundtrack, but that's pretty much it.
I am very much in the mood for a superhero movie that is dark and weighty. If Batman and Superman aren't particularly heroic in this film, that's fine by me.
Finaika
Member
Thor 1 was good though.
Yeah the first IM was great. I didn't think about but it's right up there with Cap2 for me.
The trick to enjoying a Robert Rodriguez film is to not watch the whole thing.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who was surprised my how much emotional, human, weight they packed into the Batman/Superman conflict and ultimate resolution. Marvel movies are extremely fun to watch (for the most part), but I haven't been punched in the feels this hard buy a summer blockbuster type of film in ages. Last I could remember would Return of the King, or the Thumbs Up at the end of T2. B v S has some flaws, but goddamn if it wasn't operating on some higher level that really resonated emotionally with me, and that elevates it IMO.
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