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Top-of-the-line gaming pc-GAF, thoughts on scorpio?

MrMatt555

MrMatt555

Member
Right. So I assume those luxurious master racers (don't mean it as an offense) with high-end 1080s and 3 titans slapped on top of each other (I know nothing about pc gaming) have a thing or two to say on the scorpio's specs... what does the reveal say about the industry? Does it mean nothing to you guys? Is it really "the most powerful console ever made" ?? If yes, does that mean if I buy one I will be able to stand toe-to-toe with you guys in the hunt for endless amount of p's and frames-per-second?

Discuss...
 
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Soulflarz

Banned
Releasing end of 1070/1080 line (half a year before 1170/1180) so while it seems awesome now it really isn't going to be crazy at all by then and people will still just tell you to buy a 1070 or wait half a year.

It already doesn't go toe to toe with modern cards, it isn't good enough for 60fps 4k unless they work magic. (Hell, the 1080 cant do all games at that either...)
 
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HughJanuss

Banned
MrMatt555 said:
does that mean if I buy one I will be able to stand toe-to-toe with you guys in the hunt for endless amount of p's and frames-per-second?
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Well, no.
Scorpio developers will still target 30fps in order to deliver the best graphics possible.
But yeah, a 6tf console + the benefits of a closed platform will give you something pretty close to Fury X level in terms of performence.
 
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Heshinsi

"playing" dumb? unpossible
It's 18 months out, it's already old tech in comparison to PCs by the time it launches. It also can't be the "most powerful console ever made" due to it not being an actual real thing yet. I very much doubt the Scorpio will match a 1080 in performance let alone whatever new GPU nVidia would have on the market in late 2017.
 
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AzaK

Member
Soulflarz said:
Releasing end of 1070/1080 line (half a year before 1170/1180) so while it seems awesome now it really isn't going to be crazy at all by then and people will still just tell you to buy a 1070 or wait half a year.

It already doesn't go toe to toe with modern cards, it isn't good enough for 60fps 4k unless they work magic. (Hell, the 1080 cant do all games at that either...)
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How does the fact that there's less overhead re OS etc factor in?
 
Self_Destructive

Self_Destructive

Member
Heshinsi said:
It's 18 months out, it's already old tech in comparison to PCs by the time it launches. It also can't be the "most powerful console ever made" due to it not being an actual real thing yet. I very much doubt the Scorpio will match a 1080 in performance let alone whatever new GPU nVidia would have on the market in late 2017.
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Uh.. the scorpio will demolish the PCs of today if those spec hold true.
 
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tearsintherain

Member
Its like speculating about the Nintendo NX - we really know pretty much nothing about Scorpio, when its coming out, its power levels, how difficult it will be to develop for, and what the PC gaming market will look like at that point.

At best all we can really say is that its going to be faster than the stock xbox one, but who knows if developers will feel motivated to take advantage of it.
 
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David___

Banned
MrMatt555 said:
If yes, does that mean if I buy one I will be able to stand toe-to-toe with you guys in the hunt for endless amount of p's and frames-per-second?

Discuss...
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No because you're still bound by the developer's decisions on whether they prioritize FPS or eye candy.
 
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Mihalis0013

Neo Member
It won't compare to my GTX 980Ti/i7 combo but as an owner of Xbox One, PS4 and of course my PC I'm excited for it. The better the hardware on the consoles the better the games.

Even if you're strictly a PC player you could look at it like this. Games these days seem to be designed for console and ported to PC (many PC ports have been unfortunate trash). Having more horsepower in the consoles will only help PC versions of games.
 
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Orayn

Member
Remij said:
Uh.. the scorpio will demolish the PCs of today if those spec hold true.
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The Scorpio's GPU sounds like a pretty close match for the 480X, a $200 card that just came out. A good card in terms of bang for your buck to be sure, but it's "mid-high-end" at best and probably still paired with the same Jaguar CPU.
 
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Huge Succeeded

Banned
do not care even one little iota about Scorpio. It could be more powerful than my PC and even then it won't be as capable. Not when I have tweaking, modding, and customizable settings on my side.

Fine for people who would rather game on a top of the line console, but I enjoy everything the PC stands to offer as a platform and I have the patience for it so I'm never going back to playing the majority of my games on a console. no matter how powerful.

plus I can play forza and halo on my pc soon, and ms & friends still get my money which they sure as fuck werent getting before, so win-win there
 
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kagamin

Member
Enthusiast hardware will always top the mass produced stuff in terms of performance. But honestly, can you play any recent released game at 4k 144fps anyways? lol
 
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Primethius

Banned
Don't care for it. The entire system seems tailor made for thr enthusiast Xbox crowd.

Having all Xbox exclusives on PC means that the little bit I would've cared about is gone.
 
GHG

GHG

Gold Member
Remij said:
Uh.. the scorpio will demolish the PCs of today if those spec hold true.
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No it won't. And by the time it releases your statement will be even less true.

To answer the question posed in the OP I think it will be a good thing for PC gamers as it should move the console baseline up a notch meaning those of us with capable PC's should get better looking multiplatform (and Xbox Windows 10) games as a result.
 
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Trace

Banned
It's cool for people that want the best out of their console but don't want to take the leap to PC gaming. I'll be running all the ports on Windows 10 as it is currently, Neo is far more attractive to me.
 
Self_Destructive

Self_Destructive

Member
Seiru said:
A 1080 is 9 tflops dude.
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I have 2 TitanXs in SLI and I'm quite aware of how many TFlops the high end AMD and Nvidia GPUs have (which are measured differently btw..and we can be fairly sure Scorpio will use an AMD based GPU/APU)

You're also aware that PS4 is 1.8TFlops correct? Being at least 3x more powerful, and assuming they have a much better suited CPU.. a 6TFlop console will easily put it with the highest end PCs of today.
 
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Corpekata

Banned
Too far out to really guess, and with Sony leading the pack and supposedly launching a weaker update, I'm not sure I see many devs really taking too much advantage of the extra power (beyond first party, obviously).

It should be a pretty big step up over the original Xbox One at least.
 
Coolade

Coolade

Member
Remij said:
I have 2 TitanXs in SLI and I'm quite aware of how many TFlops the high end AMD and Nvidia GPUs have (which are measured differently btw..and we can be fairly sure Scorpio will use an AMD based GPU/APU)

You're also aware that PS4 is 1.8TFlops correct? Being at least 3x more powerful, and assuming they have a much better suited CPU.. a 6TFlop console will easily put it with the highest end PCs of today.
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I can't tell if you're joking or not.
 
-tetsuo-

-tetsuo-

Unlimited Capacity
Remij said:
I have 2 TitanXs in SLI and I'm quite aware of how many TFlops the high end AMD and Nvidia GPUs have (which are measured differently btw..and we can be fairly sure Scorpio will use an AMD based GPU/APU)

You're also aware that PS4 is 1.8TFlops correct? Being at least 3x more powerful, and assuming they have a much better suited CPU.. a 6TFlop console will easily put it with the highest end PCs of today.
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Prophet Steve

Member
Too early to say anything. I have no clue what the price will be. But apparently Microsoft will also subsidize it so it may be significantly cheaper than a similarly specced PC.

Although the bigger problem for me is that I may not be able to do the things I want with the extra performance. 4K isn't significant for me. I'd rather have higher framerates, settings or anti aliasing. So it doesn't appeal to me at all.
 
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Biltmore

Banned
Remij said:
Uh.. the scorpio will demolish the PCs of today if those spec hold true.
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It's already less powerful than the PC in my house right now, and my 1080 isn't even here yet. By the time it releases it won't even be close.

As for how I feel about it, I'm not a fan. I'm constantly upgrading my PC, I'd much rather my consoles stay generational. Like I said in another thread when I start feeling like I need to upgrade my consoles every couple of years is when buying consoles all together.
 
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Zoggy

Member
Remij said:
I have 2 TitanXs in SLI and I'm quite aware of how many TFlops the high end AMD and Nvidia GPUs have (which are measured differently btw..and we can be fairly sure Scorpio will use an AMD based GPU/APU)

You're also aware that PS4 is 1.8TFlops correct? Being at least 3x more powerful, and assuming they have a much better suited CPU.. a 6TFlop console will easily put it with the highest end PCs of today.
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wat
 
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DSix

Banned
Well, for one I think Neo/Scorpio will raise the bar for AAA PC game graphics, so that's always a good thing.

About the Scorpio itself, it's looking pretty weak for a 2017 hardware, by then it'll be completely outplayed by any medium budget gaming pc.
 
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Primethius

Banned
Remij said:
Special sauce...

How do you think the PS4 is pulling off the visuals it is?
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Really skilled art design teams along with tech at their first party studios?

Sonys first party has some of the best art-design teams in the industry and it's a huge part of why the games look as good as they do.
 
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Cartho

Member
For "exclusives", which have been coded to the system then it will deliver stunning visuals and performance. It is certainly the most powerful console.

It won't be able to match the absolute top end PCs though. It will be right up there with decent mid range PCs though. Already a GTX 1070 is a more powerful GPU and that's available relatively cheaply. When "big Pascal" arrives next year, be it the GTX 1170 / 1180 with HBM2 or the GTX 1080Ti, the gap will be much larger.
 
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Heshinsi

"playing" dumb? unpossible
Remij said:
I have 2 TitanXs in SLI and I'm quite aware of how many TFlops the high end AMD and Nvidia GPUs have (which are measured differently btw..and we can be fairly sure Scorpio will use an AMD based GPU/APU)

You're also aware that PS4 is 1.8TFlops correct? Being at least 3x more powerful, and assuming they have a much better suited CPU.. a 6TFlop console will easily put it with the highest end PCs of today.
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Stop comparing AMD and nVidia tflops, they're not the same thing. Even if what you're saying were true, how expensive do you reckon this machine will be? And if somehow all this can be had in a platform below $499.99, how come AMD hasn't released this magical piece of GPU hardware for the PC market?
 
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Speevy

Banned
Do you guys think the Xbox Sagitarius will be able to complete with the GTX 1180 Ti running in SLI?

It has 40 teraflops and is coming out in 2023. I hear there are games coming to it also, but don't quote me on that.
 
Self_Destructive

Self_Destructive

Member
Heshinsi said:
Stop comparing AMD and nVidia tflops, they're not the same thing. Even if what you're saying were true, how expensive do you reckon this machine will be? And if somehow all this can be had in a platform below $499.99, how come AMD hasn't released this magical piece of GPU hardware for the PC market?
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Man, do you even read? I say exactly that in my post.. why are you telling me to stop comparing them when I'm telling people they can't be compared??

And I think it will be a new better suited architecture to 4K. I doubt it's Polaris architecture.
 
Self_Destructive

Self_Destructive

Member
I don't know why the hell you guys are getting so defensive. I have a damn top of the line PC and I'm saying that the Scorpio will be better than the PC I have today.. I'm sure of it. Sorry if that makes you mad.
 
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Heshinsi

"playing" dumb? unpossible
Remij said:
Man, do you even read? I say exactly that in my post.. why are you telling me to stop comparing them when I'm telling people they can't be compared??

And I think it will be a new better suited architecture to 4K. I doubt it's Polaris architecture.
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Haha I somehow missed that. But you are crazy that an i76700k+1080 (hell even 980ti) are going to be beat by Scorpio :p. At MSRP, those two pieces of hardware are nearly $1500CDN.

So how expensive do you reckon this thing is going to be? This is either going to be incredibly expensive (relative to console prices) machine, or MS is going to eat quite a bit of profit selling at a loss.
 
Fess

Fess

Member
Remij said:
Special sauce...

How do you think the PS4 is pulling off the visuals it is?
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The obvious answer is by lowering the framerate but other compromises compared to PC at max is often seen too. There is no special sauce, if Naughty Dog and Guerrilla would make games for PC they would look and perform better.
 
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x3sphere

Member
By the time Scorpio comes out its GPU will be at the lower end of mid-range.

18 months is a long time, the 1080 Ti should be out by then, heck the GTX 1180 will probably be out.
 
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Tommy DJ

Member
Remij said:
I don't know why the hell you guys are getting so defensive. I have a damn top of the line PC and I'm saying that the Scorpio will be better than the PC I have today.. I'm sure of it. Sorry if that makes you mad.
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Because everything you've stated isn't really true. If pointing out fallacies in your post is the equivalent to being mad, we might as well not have a forum. Other people are mocking your post, because bringing up the fact that you own two Titans doesn't mean anything really, but that doesn't mean they're mad.

Let me state this again: if you get a comparatively priced PC and you dial back the settings to match console settings, the graphical fidelity and frame rate is not significantly different. Frame rates might even be better as you're using a CPU that isn't straight out of a netbook.
 
Self_Destructive

Self_Destructive

Member
Heshinsi said:
Haha I somehow missed that. But you are crazy :p

So how expensive do you reckon this thing is going to be?
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I think that it will be a much better balanced machine that is designed for throughput. I think the architecture they're using will be based on AMDs Vega architecture. In thinking about a console with a fixed hardware spec, they'll be able to push the envelope with 6tflops and will do things that only todays highest end PCs can do.

Of course the PCs of late next year will be faster.. but this console is being specifically designed around 4K. I think they'll design a console that isn't bottlenecked by bandwidth and we'll see the true potential for 6tf.

Probably retail $499
 
Self_Destructive

Self_Destructive

Member
Tommy DJ said:
Because everything you've stated isn't really true. If pointing out fallacies in your post is the equivalent to being mad, we might as well not have a forum. Other people are mocking your post, because bringing up the fact that you own two Titans doesn't mean anything really, but that doesn't mean they're mad.

Let me state this again: if you get a comparatively priced PC and you dial back the settings to match console settings, the graphical fidelity and frame rate is not significantly different. Frame rates might even be better as you're using a CPU that isn't straight out of a netbook.
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I thought the point of this thread was to ask what high end PC owners thought? And no one is proving anything to the contrary.

As I said.. I think the console will be designed in such a way that the full potential of the GPU will be realized with no bandwidth issues. Scorpio architecture isn't going to be old when it releases.. it will be relatively cutting edge compared to what XOs and PS4s were.

But I digress. I really shouldn't have used the word 'demolish' and I think people assumed that I meant the highest end PCs of today when I said that... when I was in fact referring to average PCs.
 
Fess

Fess

Member
Remij said:
I think that it will be a much better balanced machine that is designed for throughput. I think the architecture they're using will be based on AMDs Vega architecture. In thinking about a console with a fixed hardware spec, they'll be able to push the envelope with 6tflops and will do things that only todays highest end PCs can do.

Of course the PCs of late next year will be faster.. but this console is being specifically designed around 4K. I think they'll design a console that isn't bottlenecked by bandwidth and we'll see the true potential for 6tf.

Probably retail $499
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I like that you're so positive but you're acting like the Scorpio games aren't required to run well on the orginal 1.3 tf Xbox One too. Remember, nobody gets left behind. I think this will hold them back a lot when it comes to pushing the envelope on what is possible with 6tf of computational power, they can't exactly get away with running XB1 games in 480p and 15fps. :/

Plus, PC will likely be way above 6tf in late 2017. I mean last years 980ti alone is almost 6tf. This years 1080 is 9tf. AMDs cheaper 480 is 5tf. Next years top of the line PC GPUs might be twice of what's seen in Scorpio. And the CPUs in PCs can run slightly faster too...
 
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