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Get your SSDs ready, PS4 Pro supports SATA3
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Spaulding
Member
It does, if you have PS+.
That really doesn't tie in with other people who have done it, the difference with this video is that they've chosen to run it through their router/switch which may well have a bearing on the length of time it took.
The quicker ones seem to have done it via the other method of a single ethernet cable from one PS4 to the other and connecting online wirelessly.
That's right! Forgot about that. I'll most probably back up all my saves and install games again as I play them.
That really doesn't tie in with other people who have done it, the difference with this video is that they've chosen to run it through their router/switch which may well have a bearing on the length of time it took.
The quicker ones seem to have done it via the other method of a single ethernet cable from one PS4 to the other and connecting online wirelessly.
And looks like a normal Cat6 cable can do the difference.
Wonder if I can:
1. Deactivate my PS4 as my primary
2. Remove it's 2TB HDD
3. Replace PS4 PRO 1TB HDD by the 2TB HDD from PS4
4. Activate the PS4 PRO as my primary.
Would it work?
katsubento
Member
I can't believe no one out there with a pro has tried a SSD yet.
I'm still surprised at their speeds but I am wondering what equipment they actually because it would be as slow as the slowest part that you have, which for them could be one of two cables or their router/switch. I'd be amazed if it was the router/switch for a professional team like theirs so I suppose a stray Cat 5 cable could ended up in their setup, somehow.
Ideally, people should be checking this stuff before starting their transfer but I wouldn't;t be surprised if a lot of people just think of an ethernet cable as an ethernet cable.
EDIT:
I may as well add this for people.
Ethernet RJ45 Speeds & Cables - Everything you Need to Know as Fast As Possible - A short YouTube video too.
endlessflood
Member
Yes, but the PS4 Pro will need to erase the 2TB HDD before it can use it, so you'll lose everything off the 2TB HDD.
I'm still surprised at their speeds but I am wondering what equipment they actually because it would be as slow as the slowest part that you have, which for them could be one of two cables or their router/switch. I'd be amazed if it was the router/switch for a professional team like theirs so I suppose a stray Cat 5 cable could ended up in their setup, somehow.
Ideally, people should be checking this stuff before starting their transfer but I wouldn't;t be surprised if a lot of people just think of an ethernet cable as an ethernet cable.
EDIT:
I may as well add this for people.
Ethernet RJ45 Speeds & Cables - Everything you Need to Know as Fast As Possible - A short YouTube video too.
Awesome, thanks! Would love to know if PS4 Pro's Ethernet is capable of CAT 6a and CAT 7 speeds.
Thanks. Idea was to avoid a data transfer from current PS4 --> new PS4 PRO. Looks like my only option is to upload all saves to the PS Plus Cloud, wipe my 2TB HDD clean and install it on the PRO. Then install/download the games as I play them.
MHWilliams
Member
Took me 3+ hours for 617 GB, over a router. Not even a direct connection.
Sweet! Thats not bad
Jezbollah
Member
I highly doubt it - the PS4 can do a maximum of 1gbit (1000BASE-T) using a Marvell Alaska 88EC060-NNB2. There is literally no benefit for the PS4 to go 10gbit, given their drive to keep costs low with the Pro, I would be floored if they did anything with the wired speeds.
With regards to that chart, Cat 7 is not an official ratified standard, so people should stick with Cat6a to ensure backward compatibility with existing technologies.
EDIT: Further research indicates the only Network hardware change for the Pro vs OG PS4 is the upping of Wireless to 802.11ac standard. No change was made to wired. So 1gigabit is the limit.
I won't be the first to report but I will report in when I'm done. I have 707GB to transfer over, will be using the direct connect method via a CAT6 cable.
It does, but be careful as it has a cap of how much data it will allow. I'm long past the capped amount so I have to keep going in and deleting old saves out of their cloud storage. Which I forget to do, and then it doesn't upload my newer save data.
Also a huge huge note: If you have multiple accounts on one PS4 and you try to backup the save data onto a USB it will only move the data on the account you are currently logged in on.
I did this when we were upgrading our launch PS4's HDD. I was logged into my spouse's PSN account (while backing up data to USB) and since it doesn't explicitly tell you that it's only grabbing that specific account's save data on the PS4 I didn't know it didn't grab my account's save data and it was all lost.
Just putting that warning out there as I thought the prompts were misleading. I thought I did get all of the save data that was stored on the PS4, not just one account's save data.
If you are thinking it would keep all your data, no. The HDD gets encrypted by the specific PS4 serial. If you want to use your current 2TB in your new Pro, you can but it will wipe everything off it and you will have to reformat it like a brand new drive.
It sucks, I know.
Noone is going to use Cat 7 cables in their homes. Also, you don't get >Gigabit LAN adapters on home hardware. (source: IT classes)
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
Any chance it will download faster due to the AC wireless? Or is PSN the sole limiting factor?
DeathGlobe
Member
I have a 5tb external hard drive that i currently use on windows 10. Can i backup my current ps4 hdd on this without losing all my data? or will the ps4 wipe this entire 5tb hard drive to make a backup?
anothertech
Member
Anybody answer the SataIII question yet? Do we get incredible speeds or not?
Nobody knows yet but it's highly unlikely.
The Elite
BOSS
Sounds like external had is faster. Though I am backing up right now and it's taking five hours for 460gb.
I hope the restore doesn't take this long as well.
I've read that the restore is significantly quicker than the back up
The Elite
BOSS
That's something at least.
PSN is the limiting factor. I've got 200/200 fibre and I don't get more than 8MB/s out of PSN. Steam can get 20+MB/s
It won't wipe the external drive. It just creates a folder and backs up everything there.
The bottlenecks was about writing to the drive no? Reading might still be improved (texture streaming, loading times, etc.)
At some point you simply have to go with what is the current technology standard, because it's what's most commonly available from hardware manufacturers and cheap enough so that it doesn't impact your bottom line. SATA3 has been the standard on the PC / storage side of things for years now.
It may not be the only or main reason, but it's definitely a consideration.
Crazymoogle
Member
Sure, but I think it won't work if the external is NTFS. Changing the file system on your PC will wipe the drive unless you have special software, I think.
You are long past 10GB saves? Wow, you must play a lot of games.
MissCauthon
Member
So lets say i buy a SSD, i take out the HDD from the Pro and put in the SSD, is that all? the PS4 then installs the os on it's own or is there more to it...?
You have to download and put the system firmware file on a USB drive and do the special bootup where you can reinitialize and install the OS.
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/system-updates/ps4/#newinstallation
Sniffynose
Member
I got billed for my Pro at bestbuy, hopefully that means shipping happens tonight, at this rate I'll be able to test the SSD speeds before the combined forces of the Internet can =/
katsubento
Member
It does seem odd that they specifically mentioned SATA III as faster if they didn't somehow increase speed though.
Decisions, decisions...I need a little help from you guys:
I've put a HGST Travelstar 7K1000 1TB in my old launch PS4, which I have sold on eBay two days ago.
I don't need more space than 1 TB, and an SSD is way too expensive.
Now I've read that the stock hard drive of the PS4 Pro just runs at 5400 rpm instead of the 7200 rpm I am used from the HGST Travelstar.
Does this result in longer load times? Or will the Pro automatically load games faster than the standard PS4, even with the stock drive?
And if loading times are slower, would you recommend me another HGST Travelstar 7K1000 for my Pro, or the Seagate FireCuda 1TB?
And does anybody know if there's a noticable difference between the two FireCuda models ST1000LX015 and ST1000DX002? The latter one runs at 7200 rpm, while the ST1000LX015 runs at only 5400 rpm.
The current prices here in Germany:
HGST Travelstar 7K1000 1TB: 59 Euro
Seagate FireCuda 1TB (ST1000LX015, 5400rpm): 69 Euro
Seagate FireCuda 1TB (ST1000DX002, 7200 rpm): 78 Euro
Thanks!
Edit: LOL, just noticed that the ST1000DX002 is a 3.5" drive.
I've put a HGST Travelstar 7K1000 1TB in my old launch PS4, which I have sold on eBay two days ago.
I don't need more space than 1 TB, and an SSD is way too expensive.
Now I've read that the stock hard drive of the PS4 Pro just runs at 5400 rpm instead of the 7200 rpm I am used from the HGST Travelstar.
Does this result in longer load times? Or will the Pro automatically load games faster than the standard PS4, even with the stock drive?
And if loading times are slower, would you recommend me another HGST Travelstar 7K1000 for my Pro, or the Seagate FireCuda 1TB?
The current prices here in Germany:
HGST Travelstar 7K1000 1TB: 59 Euro
Seagate FireCuda 1TB (ST1000LX015, 5400rpm): 69 Euro
Thanks!
Edit: LOL, just noticed that the ST1000DX002 is a 3.5" drive.
katsubento
Member
Anyone want to place bets on whether we find out about the SSD speeds before Thursday?
The wait is killing me lol.
The wait is killing me lol.
Backfoggen
Banned
I think we would have heard about improved loading times in reviews if this thing actually supported full SATA3, even with the stock HDD.
Logsi
Member
That's exactly what I'll be doing and then double checking my wiring and/or making up some cat 6 cables to go direct to my router.
Failing that, backup to the 1TB I'll be ripping out of the Pro off the bat.
Logsi
Member
Isn't the 7200rpm a 3.5" drive?
Yeah, I've just noticed that and edited my post.
I have save files for over 300 different games between the PS3 and the PS4. Now I don't need all those save files but both systems try to automatically upload the data to the cloud unless you actively shut it off and want to manually manage the data.
A lot of the PS4 saves are over 1/2 GB each, so it is not impossible to hit the 10GB cap with just PS4 games. You can easily hit the cap with 40-50 PS4 save files and for some games I have multiple saves going.
Offhand I know my Little Big Planet 3, Dragon Age Inquisition, and a few sports game save files are all over 500MB each and there are many more games that are hitting around that mark as well.
I just wanted people to know that you can "whoops" not grab all the save data across multiple accounts because the backup prompts didn't specifically state that you are only backup up one account, not the entire system's worth of saves.
On one hand, SSHDs are out of stock everywhere so the point is moot anyway.
On the other hand, I want to know nowwwwwwww....
StrongBlackVine
Banned
I had no idea the Firecuda would be so popular. I can't find the 2TB laptop version any where. Either that or they went really low on production.
I'd definitely agree with the comment about the Cat 7 cables as you're essentially paying extra for the superior shielding and that fact that the cable is physically more durable than the other specs. I'd only really recommend Cat 7 to somebody laying out cabling as infrastructure in a building and you're just not going to benefit from Cat 7 when passing data between two pieces of hardware like you would be here.
It's not going to do you any harm using a Cat 7 cable if you have one but nobody needs to buy one for this.
Didn't mean to imply that, I do have above 100 games, including some heavy hitters (save size wise) like LBP3, but I am currently below 6GB. I meant it literally, you probably really just have a lot of games.
Remember the PITA when it was limited to 1GB? What were they thinking? XD
Why would you say that? This is reality where we have review sites that post unpatched BF1 grabs on the PRO for comparison to OG PS4.
DF will probably be the first, other than some obscure tech site that will probably have to buy it retail. Load preformance ranks much lower than resolution, framerate, and detail so they'll be working on those captures first.