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Avengers Endgame (SPOILER THREAD)

thequestion

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Hated the headbutt to Danvers where she didn't even flinch and the forced 1 sec slow-mo of her in the air about to punch Thanos with full gauntlet.

Full powered Thor took the headbutt and was knocked out lol.

How do you top Thanos for a big bad? Answer: Capt Marvel. She will become one of the scariest villains of all time. When she finally meets her demise, (hopefully from Thor) cheers and celebrations, will be heard around world. Believe.
 

888

Member
Just got out of the movie. I had it reversed. I never thought Iron Man would be the one to die. But once I saw the look from Strange I knew what was gonna go down.

Bigger surprise was Caps ending. And I would have preferred the shield go to bucky since he has some enhancements.
 

Xenon

Member
Has anyone addressed spider man going back to his original timeline in the end of Endgame? It's really bugging me. It would have been great if the included him in returning the stones to send him back. But it looks like he just walks back into high school at the end.
 
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jshackles

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Not sure if it's been discussed yet, but I feel like they completely over-catastraphised the whole "50% of everyone is gone" thing. On Earth, it would set us back to an equivalent population of what? Late 1970s? Doesn't seem like there would be garbage in the streets or anything.

Personally still on team "Thanos did nothing wrong."
 
How do you top Thanos for a big bad? Answer: Capt Marvel. She will become one of the scariest villains of all time. When she finally meets her demise, (hopefully from Thor) cheers and celebrations, will be heard around world. Believe.

So they do Civil War 2? You know where carol danvers becomes a fascist and wants to punish people before they commit crimes.
 

Fox Mulder

Member
Not sure if it's been discussed yet, but I feel like they completely over-catastraphised the whole "50% of everyone is gone" thing. On Earth, it would set us back to an equivalent population of what? Late 1970s? Doesn't seem like there would be garbage in the streets or anything.

Personally still on team "Thanos did nothing wrong."

Half the population just vanishing instantly like that would greatly disrupt society and destroy the global economy.
 

MetalAlien

Banned
Not sure if it's been discussed yet, but I feel like they completely over-catastraphised the whole "50% of everyone is gone" thing. On Earth, it would set us back to an equivalent population of what? Late 1970s? Doesn't seem like there would be garbage in the streets or anything.

Personally still on team "Thanos did nothing wrong."
Remember the day without mexicans protest that happened ...um feels like 10 years ago or something? It's when all the illegals or whatever wanted to show America what it would be like if they all went back so they stayed home for a day.

It was wonderful. Traffic was amazing, the stress of all the employees who came to work was reduced.. At my job I talk to about 80 managers a day, not one complained that day.
 

Atrus

Gold Member
I saw the film last night and liked it, though it wasn't as good as Infinity War. The length didn't feel like 3 hours as it went by quickly but there's a fair bit of cheesy drama that didn't work for me. The wierdest thing about this film is that it doesn't follow the pacing of Infinity War and takes a much slower approach to storytelling. Time travel is always hard to do correctly and this sort of time thievery is something we've already seen countless times as the movie itself names a few.

Fat Thor is a good joke that felt it went on too long. I was hoping Asgardian physiology made them bounce back quickly or his mother would return him to his regular self. I didn't like the moodiness and therapy sessions we had to sit through to make it seem like the world is in a terrible place; as if garbage wouldn't be picked up because we lost 50% of all life or that we would lose sports teams etc.

Thor himself seems perpetually questioning his worthiness as seen in Thor 1, Thor Ragnarok, Infinity War +Endgame. I can't speak to Thor 2 since I can't remember the whole story.

Other than that it seemed to work well. I do wish they added more depth to the final battle rather than literally stomping the Black Order in seconds or that they returned to coordinated team attacks, which worked well in infinity war. Instead every played a long, team baton rally with the Infinity Gauntlet. However, I can see that this is the last film for certain actors so they spent more time sending them off.

I did like the certain key setups.

Captain America fighting his past self and ending it with the America's Ass quip.
Captain America "hailing hydra" reflecting the recent comic controversy and adding humour.
Captain America wielding Thor's Hammer and getting his shield smashed (one of many comic callbacks)
"Avengers Assemble!" (I literally pumped my fists like a little kid at it)
Professor Hulk
The all female Avengers team up (I don't see what's wrong with it. It makes perfect business sense and unlike the genderswapping of Ghostbusters, they actually created and used great characters.)
Tony and Pepper fighting together.
Antman searching for and then meeting his grown up daughter (pretty tense scene if you liked his daddy daughter relationship in the Antman films).
The main cast of the original avengers literally signing off in the credits.

I liked the Captain Marvel film but I think Carol Danvers is portrayed as a little too powerful here, a bit like how Saitama would compare to other S rank superheroes in One Punch Man. She is a mostly unstoppable, fearless force that viewers can see coming even as the other characters question what the mysterious light is.

Endgame is a sound farewell to 10 years of buildup but a wierd conclusion to the Infinity War.
 

Moneal

Member
Has anyone addressed spider man going back to his original timeline in the end of Endgame? It's really bugging me. It would have been great if the included him in returning the stones to send him back. But it looks like he just walks back into high school at the end.

He doesn't go back, just that all his friends seem to have been part of the group that was snapped. Kevin Feige alludes to this with a couple quotes
"What is it like to try to go back to a normal life after what happens in this movie [Infinity War]? Not to mention what happens in the next [Avengers] movie.”

“It’s fun to see that, because he can represent, you know, the world as a whole, as they try to move forward,” Feige said. “And you can do it in a way that is tonally unique, and tonally different than, certainly, the two Avengers films that people are about to see."

As has the President of Sony Pictures, at that time, and producer of both Homecoming and Far From Home Pictures Amy Pascal
“What I think we should focus on is this Spider-Man who started in Civil War and then has this movie, and then will be in the Avengers movie. And we are starting now the next one which will start a few minutes after Avengers 4 wraps as a story,” Pascal reveals.
 
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jshackles

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Half the population just vanishing instantly like that would greatly disrupt society and destroy the global economy.
Humans are a resilient bunch though, and 5 years is a lot of time. I don't think (in the US at least) that we would still be at the "drowning in our own garbage" stage 1,825 days later.
 

Sygma

Member
And why don’t they use pym particles to bring her back after they got the soul stone?
Grab her before she jumps since that’s already been accomplished.

Because you need to jump forward in time in order to go in the past in this movie. That would just not work, she's gone

Hugely disappointed by this movie. Didn't believe for a second it was made by the guys responsible for Civil War / Infinity War crazy creative sequences and whatnot, like what the fuck happened here ? 2h20 of over exposition ending in one of the lamest finale I've seen since Episode III. Nothing used well, just snippets of heroes doing their things. Terrible
 
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K1Expwy

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Not sure if it's been discussed yet, but I feel like they completely over-catastraphised the whole "50% of everyone is gone" thing. On Earth, it would set us back to an equivalent population of what? Late 1970s? Doesn't seem like there would be garbage in the streets or anything.

Personally still on team "Thanos did nothing wrong."
Don't forget that Thanos removed 50% of all life. Just because the human population was smaller in the 70s, doesn't necessarily mean other populations of organisms were. You can imagine the balance of ecosystems that were thrown completely out of whack, which affects food supply and geology etc. Along with less manpower and fewer minds to combat the problems.
 

thequestion

Member
So they do Civil War 2? You know where carol danvers becomes a fascist and wants to punish people before they commit crimes.

Exactly.

X-men, by this point, are established already, and Rogue’s energy-siphoning-power is part of the plan to take Capt. Marvel down. Rogue gets Marvel’s power, and Thor hammers Capt. Marvel into a coma that hopefully lasts forever. Roll credits.
 
Has anyone addressed spider man going back to his original timeline in the end of Endgame? It's really bugging me. It would have been great if the included him in returning the stones to send him back. But it looks like he just walks back into high school at the end.

I hope they used that opportunity to get rid of the terrible, terrible, terrible, TERRIBLE "MJ" character and bring back the real Mary Jane Watson.

I liked Spider-Man Homecoming but MJ was a completly horrendus misfire, say she didn't get snapped and just graduated., then introduce Mary Jane Watson.

So they do Civil War 2? You know where carol danvers becomes a fascist and wants to punish people before they commit crimes.

That would be so awesome, but there's not a chance in hell Brie Larson would be willing to do it.
 
I hope they used that opportunity to get rid of the terrible, terrible, terrible, TERRIBLE "MJ" character and bring back the real Mary Jane Watson.

I liked Spider-Man Homecoming but MJ was a completly horrendus misfire, say she didn't get snapped and just graduated., then introduce Mary Jane Watson.



That would be so awesome, but there's not a chance in hell Brie Larson would be willing to do it.

Aren’t Peter and MJ already shown flirting with each other in Far From Home trailer? I think she’s here to stay, at least for this Spider-Man. I’m sure the next Spidey will go back to the traditional redhead

I think she’s cool, but that’s just me.
 
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thequestion

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Aren’t Peter and MJ already shown flirting with each other in Far From Home trailer? I think she’s here to stay, at least for this Spider-Man. I’m sure the next Spidey will go back to the traditional redhead

I think she’s cool, but that’s just me.

Same
 
Aren’t Peter and MJ already shown flirting with each other in Far From Home trailer? I think she’s here to stay, at least for this Spider-Man. I’m sure the next Spidey will go back to the traditional redhead

I think she’s cool, but that’s just me.

Nooooooooooooo, I hate her.

But I hated her character not because she was black, though I do question the logic of taking a character most famous for being a redhead and casting a.... not redhead, but because she had such a snotty personality.

Though to be fair, the character can change and lighten up personality wise but it's a dumb idea to begin with, why can't Mary Jane be a redhead? Does Hollywood really hate white people that much? Is modern culture just unable to handle a romance between two *gasp* white people? Would it be like showing an interracial romance in a movie in the 1950s? We're going backwards as a culture.

It really does feel like a calculated thing because they chose to go with Peter Parker as a white kid, but it's got to be balanced out by making MJ black, because we can't have too many white people onscreen at once, oh no.
 
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Like the first one, it was alright. However, the lack of Guardians was extremely apparent - to me, the Guardians scenes are what kept Infinity War afloat.

That said, it had a nice ending - I wanted that Peggy/Steve moment since The First Avenger. But man, how awkward is it going to be when she finds out he fucked her niece?
 
maybe I missed it, but was there any good action footage in the movie of the "new" Warmachine armor in action at all? I feel like I only saw it being lift out of the ruin of the base by Antman and his next appearance is at the dying Tony's side.

also, does anyone feel that they're gona do an actual Hulk movie now? especially since they showed both "Thunderbolt" Ross and Betty Ross at the funeral.
 
Endgame

domestic $350 million, world wide $1.2 billion

Predictable. Most folks want to see it to avoid spoilers. Hope it beats Avatar.

But this is peak MCU. At least financially. In terms of films I'd say it peaked a year ago with Infinity War. Sure we may get better films.

3 things are going to trouble the MCU going forward at least in the team up movies.

1) Iron Man and Captain America are gone as is probably Thor. How the hell are they going to replace that void? Sure in terms of comic characters on paper that is easy.......but you need the actors to bring that to the screen. Can you imagine where we are now without Robert Downey Jnr??

2) Political Correctness....how did that work out for Star Trek and now the Star Wars brand?

3) The big one. Audience fatigue.

Kevin Feige said they had the movies mapped out to 2028. So going on how the main films have gone before I predict the next trilogy of Avengers films in 2022, 2025 and 2028.

But will the MCU even get to 2028? We will not be watching films the same way in 10 years thats for sure.......
 
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bitbydeath

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Predictable. Most folks want to see it to avoid spoilers. Hope it beats Avatar.

But this is peak MCU. At least financially. In terms of films I'd say it peaked a year ago with Infinity War. Sure we may get better films.

3 things are going to trouble the MCU going forward at least in the team up movies.

1) Iron Man and Captain America are gone as is probably Thor. How the hell are they going to replace that void? Sure in terms of comic characters on paper that is easy.......but you need the actors to bring that to the screen. Can you imagine where we are now without Robert Downey Jnr??

2) Political Correctness....how did that work out for Star Trek and now the Star Wars brand?

3) The big one. Audience fatigue.

Kevin Feige said they had the movies mapped out to 2028. So going on how the main films have gone before I predict the next trilogy of Avengers films in 2022, 2025 and 2028.

But will the MCU even get to 2028? We will not be watching films the same way in 10 years thats for sure.......

I’m excited for the next Guardians movie otherwise the rest can probably wait for streaming. I’m also looking forward to X-Men but it sounds like they’re still ages away.
 

MetalAlien

Banned
1) Iron Man and Captain America are gone as is probably Thor. How the hell are they going to replace that void? Sure in terms of comic characters on paper that is easy.......but you need the actors to bring that to the screen. Can you imagine where we are now without Robert Downey Jnr??
Cheese already went on record she wants to direct and she is pushing for an all female Avengers movie. First unisex avengers movie yet I suppose.
 
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Kadayi

Banned
Humans are a resilient bunch though, and 5 years is a lot of time. I don't think (in the US at least) that we would still be at the "drowning in our own garbage" stage 1,825 days later.

Agreed I think the Russos liked the idea of channelling The Leftovers (great series btw), but failed to comprehend that in The Leftovers, the survivors don't know why people vanished so are perpetually haunted by it as an existential question that hangs over them, whereas in Endgame, they totally know what happened and who caused it.
 

kunonabi

Member
maybe I missed it, but was there any good action footage in the movie of the "new" Warmachine armor in action at all? I feel like I only saw it being lift out of the ruin of the base by Antman and his next appearance is at the dying Tony's side.

also, does anyone feel that they're gona do an actual Hulk movie now? especially since they showed both "Thunderbolt" Ross and Betty Ross at the funeral.

He had one moment during the big battle but it wasnt anything super amazing.
 
He had one moment during the big battle but it wasnt anything super amazing.

that's a little disappointing...

while we're at it, where that armor came from? I mean he was in the non-thicc Warmachine armor when we see him trapped under the ruin. and next after Antman life them out he's in that new suit already.
 
So, the reality of Robert Downey Jr's Tony Stark being no more in sinking in more and it really is a big bummer.

While obviously he couldn't play the character forever it's still a shame considering how likable the character was.
 
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Stuart360

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Over the past few days, i have been watching all the Marvel films in order (universe order, not release), and i just still not keen on them. The odd film is pretty good, like the Thor films, i quite like them, Doctor Strange also, but i dont know they are just not clicking with me, especially the Avengers films themselves. The cheesy dialogue and quips between all of them really makes me cringe, and people like Johansen being overly serious and acting tough, i just cant buy it.
Oh i did also quite like The Winter soldier. I'm up to Civil War now which i'm watching right now.
I dont know why but i didnt have these issues with the X-Men films, but they werent really Marvel made films so maybe its Marvel film style i dont like. I dont read comics but i am aware that the heroes are talking probably just like they do in the comics, but its all to cheesy for me. I much prefer the DC films overll, the darker more serious tone if you know what i mean.
 

rykomatsu

Member
It doesn't even make sense how Thanos got back in time. They had nebula's wrist thingy and some pym particals, and used those to shrink down an entire army and send it across in one go? yet the avengers were using one per hero despite them going ot the same location and having a limited supply.

Didn't the Avengers shrink the Benetar? Ant-Man and Wasp shrunk vehicles with themselves inside too, so shrinking down the Sanctuary II should be doable, I would think (also remember that Pym also went into the Q realm with a vehicle). I don't think this part, of all things in Endgame is that wonky (except maybe the size of Sanctuary II)
 

quickwhips

Member
Aren’t Peter and MJ already shown flirting with each other in Far From Home trailer? I think she’s here to stay, at least for this Spider-Man. I’m sure the next Spidey will go back to the traditional redhead

I think she’s cool, but that’s just me.
She is cool but your shitting on what fans want for diversity. They could have just made her a new unique character and i could get behind that. It was a misfire having the MJ line in there at the end.
 

Fnord

Member
It did seem a little forced with;

the russo cameo being a gay dude
the all female superhero scene near the end
captain giving the shield to falcon instead of bucky (who was his equal in strength/fighting skill/etc.)
thor making diversity valkyrie king of the asgardians

I didn't mind:

Russo's gay character. Gay people exist. It wasn't overly flagrant. The scene played well. His character was simply acting in a way that most normal people would act.

Cap giving the shield to Falcon. It was reasonably clear that he had discussed it with Bucky. Plus, Bucky had been through so much and was probably still not completely stable as a human being that it made sense. Of course, Falcon doesn't have any powers, so that may become an issue.

I DID have a problem with:

Valkyrie getting the crown of Asgard. While I've never had a problem with her character (with the exception of the unnecessary race swap), I haven't seen enough of her character to have any feeling that she earned it. It, much like every scene with Captain Marvel, felt shoehorned in.

The Girl Power(tm) scene. There was so much wrong with that scene. It broke the flow of the battle, it didn't make any logical sense based on what was going on around them, and it was the exact opposite of the Russo scene, in that it was painfully obvious that it was only there to push a political agenda and had absolutely no worth to the plot at all. Just a bad, bad scene.
 

Fnord

Member
It's only ever been Tony Stark unless you count Warmachine.

Rhodes was actually Iron Man before he was War Machine. Good story line. Well executed. Made sense. RiRi Williams, a teenage black girl was "Iron Man" for a few years recently, during the lamentable "SJW Marvel" heyday, which is still, unfortunately still going on, but on the decline. Happy Hogan has been Iron Man. Stark's flame (and all around badass) Bethany Cabe has worn the armor. Spider-Man villain Norman Osborn was Iron Patriot, wearing Stark's armor. Pepper wore a variation of the armor and was called "Rescue." Her armor had no offensive weapons, however. Those are the main ones (not counting What If... issues or future things, etc...). The only one that sucked complete donkey balls was RiRi Williams. Character was created to further an agenda, and was written as such. Also, she was a sociopath. She has her own title now, "Iron Heart," which, from what I've heard, is actually not half bad now that it's out of the hands of the original writer.
 

Fnord

Member
Why did CM even have powers after the second snap? She is powered by the space stone, it's destroyed. She should have been turned off like a light bulb. Why was she so powerful to begin with? Scarlett Witch nearly gets her ass handed to her by Thanos (even without the gauntlet), she is also powered by an infinity stone. Yet CM takes a head butt from Thanos and his head bounces off hers. Makes no sense at all.

Is she powered by it like a battery, or is it that she gained her powers by siphoning off some of its power? That character is such a train wreck. Does anyone know exactly what her power set is? Does SHE even know? Outside of superhuman levels of condescension, a vast insecurity that manifests as a superiority complex, the ability to stay stone faced in any conceivable situation, flight, and blowing shit up real good by hurling her body through it, of course.
 

MetalAlien

Banned
Is she powered by it like a battery, or is it that she gained her powers by siphoning off some of its power? That character is such a train wreck. Does anyone know exactly what her power set is? Does SHE even know? Outside of superhuman levels of condescension, a vast insecurity that manifests as a superiority complex, the ability to stay stone faced in any conceivable situation, flight, and blowing shit up real good by hurling her body through it, of course.
In the comics anyway, most characters get their power by drawing it from a resource/alternate dimension. In the MCU i'm pretty sure CM is powered by her overpowered self worth and the combined menstrual cycle of Disney upper management.
 

Celcius

°Temp. member
I saw the movie yesterday and really enjoyed it. I think Infinity War was better (and actually the best MCU film) but End Game was really good too.

During Tony's funeral (or even at any point during the movie) I was hoping to see Fury and Captain Marvel interact or talk but it never happened. The Avenger's Assemble moment was awesome, as was the part when Thanos tried to headbutt CM and she was unfazed, plus the part where Capt America was dual-welding the hammer and the shield, and many others. What surprised me the most was how easily the normal Thanos died and how soon it happened in the movie... it left me not knowing what to expect as the movie progressed and it also made me think that Thanos was using the reality stone to make the Avengers think that they had killed him. I also would have expected Buckey to become the new Captain America instead of Sam (I guess because he's physically stronger) but I look forward to seeing Sam's character progress. I was also really glad to see Evangeline Lilly get more screen time in this one than she did in Infinity War. Fat Thor took me completely by surprise but it makes sense considering everything he's gone through. I'm looking forward to seeing him in Guardians of the Galaxy vol 3 (hopefully he gets back in shape lol). Scott finding his now teenage daughter was cool too. One thing I was hoping to see a little more of though was the world after the snap. I wanted to see more about how it affected the daily life of the world, what people did immediately following the snap, etc...

I could go on and on but I'll stop here just saying that I enjoyed the movie. :)
 

Arkage

Banned
Thought the movie was awesome. Loved pretty much all of it. Didn't notice any "girl power" scene, must've been short and nothing worth bitching about IMO. Seems like the anti-PC people are jeering it and the PC-people are cheering it, while the rest of us are just rolling eyes at the fake drama as we don't keep our eyes peeled for shit like that.

Speaking of fake drama, that whole "Brie Larson doesn't get along with the other actors" thread seems like total bullshit now that I've seen the movie. She barely has any scenes so likely had next to no interaction with the other actors to begin with, and her personality in the movie itself is stand-offish and dismissive (a seemingly intentional character flaw as it's called out at times by other characters in the movie) so seems like any "drama" that was seen in interviews with her co-actors was just them playing off their characters personalities as they line up pretty evenly.
 

Tesseract

Banned
so where do they go from here that isn't stupid as fuck, all the heroes now are grossly overpowered
 
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kunonabi

Member
Is she powered by it like a battery, or is it that she gained her powers by siphoning off some of its power? That character is such a train wreck. Does anyone know exactly what her power set is? Does SHE even know? Outside of superhuman levels of condescension, a vast insecurity that manifests as a superiority complex, the ability to stay stone faced in any conceivable situation, flight, and blowing shit up real good by hurling her body through it, of course.

What I dont got is why it didnt just vaporize her like all those other weapons that were powered by the tesseract.
 

sol_bad

Member
How do you top Thanos for a big bad? Answer: Capt Marvel. She will become one of the scariest villains of all time. When she finally meets her demise, (hopefully from Thor) cheers and celebrations, will be heard around world. Believe.

Maybe there won't be a big bad at all.
We know from The Ancient One that if Infinity Stones are removed from a reality it can cause disaster for that reality. What if the next "story arc" was basically like Hickman's Time Runs Out Avenger's arc. Planets start disappearing due to a lack of Infinity Stones in their reality and so have have to figure out a way to get the stones back without taking them from another reality.
That would be pretty incredible to me if it did happen.
 

Shouta

Member
Just got back from the film. I thought it was fantastic. The way it ties up the characters' stories felt perfect, especially coming off Infinity War. There's probably a few nitpicks here and there but I was pretty much satisfied, even with the passing of the baton stuff. A lot of that really makes sense for this universe
 
Complaining about the brief girl power scene is pointless. I guess why have a scene at all if there aren't men in it. No one complained about the useless Japanese ronin scene.
so where do they go from here that isn't stupid as fuck, all the heroes now are grossly overpowered

Yeah that is true, it's ridiculous. At least Thor got nerfed. What did the hulk do again?
 
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DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
I loved the movie... I didn't like Thor's arc but I understood it.

The audience (both times I saw it) applauded LOUDLY when Black Panther, Okoye and Shuri came into view (I cried at that scene both times)... It was a trip seeing Howard the Duck on the battlefield... The all female crew thing got a ton of applause both times, too. I quite liked that part!

Hawkeye is the everyman in these movies. I was sad that Nat died.

And I understood why BannerHulk didn't go up against Thanos in Endgame... His arm was charred and he wasn't as strong as he used to be... And also not angry anymore. He seemed so Happy and content.

There was a lot nitpicking in this thread and I have rebuttals/answers for all of them but I think I'm going to go to sleep now.

Excelsior! Make Love, not war!
 
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