Dada55000
Member
you're blaming the people complaining about ree for ree getting companies to pander to them
that's so stupid I can barely comprehend it
here's the accurate answer to that hypothesis:
wrong
no
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that's so stupid I can barely comprehend it
here's the accurate answer to that hypothesis:
wrong
no
crowbrow
Banned
Doom Eternal devs basically ignored these same idiots when they were reeeeing over the mortally challenged joke and they basically went away. They feed themselves from manufactured outrage, once they reeee over something enough they basically move on. The same with THQ, granted THQ apologized but they didn't accept the apology and went on reeeing how they wanted people fired. THQ didn't bend and they went away. They are like toddlers throwing tantrums for a while and then getting distracted by the next shiny offense they can find. The best strategy is just to ignore these people.
sol_bad
Member
It's not even hate speech, so insane.
People shouldn't have to apologise for jokes. If a person is offended by a joke, they aren't the target audience and/or they have no sense of humour in their life.
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desertdroog
Member
Never apologize to crybullies.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
"THQ apologized" and then "THQ didn't bend and they went away" ???? Orrrr they apologized and then they went away.....
"they didn't accept the apology" ??? Is this 1 person or many? How do you know 100% of them didn't? So my issue is you are making a generalization and you are not speaking about 1 person, but many. You know not of how many accepted, didn't accept etc.
So because some didn't, they should....do what? No apologize and mess up the image of the whole company because a few people didn't accept it? So none of that makes sense to me bud, that is saying a company is so slow they can be bated to do anything. What is stopping MS from making fake outrage over something waiting for Google to not " bend " after apology? Sooooo MS can then spread around how evil Google is? Do you not see just how dumb any company would be to spread a message to fight a few?
So the best step is to apologize and move on. You think otherwise, good luck running a company with that message bud. Can you say this at your place of work and not get fired? That is what you must ask yourself when you legit think that messaging is going to help any company.
"The best strategy" is to apologize.
"The best strategy is just to ignore these people" Why? So they can fuel articles showing how Google, Microsoft or even Ion Fury developers "ignore offensives remarks"? smh
Scopa
The Tribe Has Spoken
Agreed. There is no evidence there at all that proves this was a plant. It’s a he said, she said.
Since alt-left activists seem to be happy pushing accusations with zero evidence, I will happily follow their lead and believe the accusations that they support pedophilia.
crowbrow
Banned
Like the Doom devs showed, you can ignore them completely and there won't be consequences. THQ didn't bend to firing people. Most of the same people who initially asked for an apology were also asking for firings. I think 3D Realms could have apologized and that's it, maybe some people would have been annoyed but that's it, the backlash wouldn't have been too big from either side but censoring any part of the game is just taking it too far and they shouldn't have been setting that precedent. 3D Realms could have also chosen to ignore them and everything would have been fine for them.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Accusations are evidence according to them
Jill Valentine
Member
And it's gone... Reputation forever ruined. Nobody will forget. It's among the best shooters I have ever played.
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Fox Mulder
Member
Just looking at steam reviews it seems like there's a clear difference between the tiny outrage before and the one they have now. Ignoring the whiny retards would have blown over as this game had amazing hype everywhere.
Dada55000
Member
hey
EDMIX
why the ignore
you can shit out as man smhs as you want, it's been factually proven that ree's boycott had 0 tangible effect on sales and reviews, while the current boycott over pandering to ree is butchering the game on both fronts
your fanfiction about hypotheticals is redundant and inaccurate at this point, 3DRealms' rep and sales were ruined by apologising not the other way around
apologising wasn't "best" and they didn't "move on", literally the exact opposite, why are you trying to pretend otherwise
EDMIX
why the ignoreyou can shit out as man smhs as you want, it's been factually proven that ree's boycott had 0 tangible effect on sales and reviews, while the current boycott over pandering to ree is butchering the game on both fronts
your fanfiction about hypotheticals is redundant and inaccurate at this point, 3DRealms' rep and sales were ruined by apologising not the other way around
apologising wasn't "best" and they didn't "move on", literally the exact opposite, why are you trying to pretend otherwise
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Jill Valentine
Member
So the dev for Brutal Doom has shared his 2 cents;
steamcommunity.com
In this realm this guy has the weight of a deity, surely. Dost thou dare banish him?
Ion Fury General Discussions :: Steam Community
Ion Fury - While Shelly “Bombshell” Harrison earned her codename defusing bombs for the Global Defense Force, when evil transhumanist mastermind Dr. Jadus Heskel unleashes the members of his cybernetic cult onto the streets of Neo DC, she knows it’s time to start causing explosions instead of...
In this realm this guy has the weight of a deity, surely. Dost thou dare banish him?
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
yea...and here is the full story.
Here's How A Picture Of Protesters Became A Misleading Far-Right Story
A photo taken out of context became fuel for misinformation.www.buzzfeednews.com
smh. Those looking to inform honestly need not mislead, trick or give half the story.
@MeatSafeMurderer Agreed. Beat me to it. I recall this story when it first happened.
Which is why critical thinking and situational awareness should be applied at all times, but we all know how rallies go with repeated mantras and pied piper actions.
Read shit before you hold things up, just cause.
Ivellios
Member
Edit: Just noticed the Metacritic User Score:
This is worse than i thought.
https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/ion-fury
This entire situation is actually very sad.
3DRealms turned a non issue that no one beside ResetEra cared about and turned this into a clusterfuck they cant stop anymore with their actions. What is even more disguting is that some people on ERA could not care less about the apology and wont buy the game anymore, and some want the devs from discord fired as well.
To the people saying its just a bottle that changed and the members complaining are just like ERA, i disagree completely. Like many here said before this sets a precedent, now they empowered ResetEra even more to bully anyone/anything they disagree with.
Very wise post from him
This is worse than i thought.
https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/ion-fury
This entire situation is actually very sad.
3DRealms turned a non issue that no one beside ResetEra cared about and turned this into a clusterfuck they cant stop anymore with their actions. What is even more disguting is that some people on ERA could not care less about the apology and wont buy the game anymore, and some want the devs from discord fired as well.
To the people saying its just a bottle that changed and the members complaining are just like ERA, i disagree completely. Like many here said before this sets a precedent, now they empowered ResetEra even more to bully anyone/anything they disagree with.
So the dev for Brutal Doom has shared his 2 cents;
Ion Fury General Discussions :: Steam Community
Ion Fury - While Shelly “Bombshell” Harrison earned her codename defusing bombs for the Global Defense Force, when evil transhumanist mastermind Dr. Jadus Heskel unleashes the members of his cybernetic cult onto the streets of Neo DC, she knows it’s time to start causing explosions instead of...
In this realm this guy has the weight of a deity, surely. Dost thou dare banish him?
Very wise post from him
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JORMBO
Darkness no more
So the dev for Brutal Doom has shared his 2 cents;
Ion Fury General Discussions :: Steam Community
Ion Fury - While Shelly “Bombshell” Harrison earned her codename defusing bombs for the Global Defense Force, when evil transhumanist mastermind Dr. Jadus Heskel unleashes the members of his cybernetic cult onto the streets of Neo DC, she knows it’s time to start causing explosions instead of...
In this realm this guy has the weight of a deity, surely. Dost thou dare banish him?
That’s a good post.
TheWanderingOgre
Member
Dr. Claus
Banned
Oh shush. You damn well know that they have earned even more bad press and bad blood because of the apology rather than ignoring the butt hurt mentally ill reprobates that caused a fuss to begin with.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It comes down to, nobody respects a coward. Even the cowards at Ree have no respect for the people that cower to them.
MayauMiao
Member
Just as I start to hear the good things about this game (thanks to video from Digital Foundry) and was about to purchase it by end of this month, but knowing that Voidpoint kowtow to the REEsetEra demand, I choose not to purchase the game. Maybe my purchase won't matter much to them, but at least I'll be happy to know that my money isn't wasted on a developer who panders to the SJW crowd.
decisions
Member
lol the Steam forums are going crazy and the Brutal Doom creator made a thread criticizing Voidpoint for caving. The backlash from doing this has far outweighed ERA's outrage at someone thinking that changing a child's gender is probably a bad idea.
Also I'm a little confused at how the "Ogay" thing is even a problem. I mean, it's not like it says "Ogaypeoplesuck" or something. It just says "Ogay". So is it offensive to just say "gay"? If someone were to parody a Gillette can of shaving cream and wrote "cishette" instead would that be a slur against cishet people?
Also I'm a little confused at how the "Ogay" thing is even a problem. I mean, it's not like it says "Ogaypeoplesuck" or something. It just says "Ogay". So is it offensive to just say "gay"? If someone were to parody a Gillette can of shaving cream and wrote "cishette" instead would that be a slur against cishet people?
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EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
"they have earned even more bad press and bad blood because of the apology" Can't say all that. Not everyone has so much hate in their heart bud. If you want to have that much hate, fine, but stop arguing for a company to be as hateful as you all. I have zero issue with them apologizing.
Anyone mad at them for apologizing are just as dumb as the folks they think are dumb. You are just mad that the company doesn't this stuff and clearly you sound like you do if you getting mad that someone apologized about something.
So the company can only feel the way you feel? They are not free to express anything you are against huh? Sound very familiar. You folk LEGIT argue the same dumb stuff the other side argues and then make it seem as if you are sooooooo different. Be like "I wish they'd stop forcing their views on developers" (Developer expresses a few on their own and apologizes) "woooooooow they need to be as mad as me and not apologize, excuse me while I force my view on the developers".
Both are arguing the same junk. To only respect or support a developer for supporting a view point you agree with, is basically the SJW way bud.
Different side of the same coin. I'll buy the game if its good regardless if they apologize or not, but clearly some folks.....only buy games based on view points of the developer.
Sound familiar?
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
I don't think anyone admitting a wrong and apologizing is a coward. For god sakes you folks telling me we can't even say sorry?
Sooooooo apologize and you are a coward
Don't apologize and you are homophobic, racist, xenophobic? (what ever the context)
So I don't agree with that man. "have no respect for the people that cower to them" Well I don't think you speak for everyone in that community to make such a silly generalization.
Dr. Claus
Banned
The only one mad here is you, mate. Nothing needed to be apologized for and your continued ignorance only further shows how little you actually have to say. Try harder.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Lol you guys are wasting your energy. You'd have more fun bashing your head against a wall, and you'd get the same results.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They didn’t speak for themselves, the publisher spoke for them. They have nothing to apologize for.
Not every outrage mob deserves an apology. Especially the mob in question.
Hecaton117
Member
Reading through the ERA thread it seems that anyone who disagrees with what happened is possibly one or more things;
1. Snowflake.
2. Oversensitive moron
3. Incel
4. Nazi
5. White Supremacist.
Among other things. I think the reason they do this is because the recurring narrative I've seen around Resetera is that it's the only good place on the internet. Everywhere else is a festering wasteland of garbage.
In that case it becomes pretty easy to dismiss any and all criticisms or disagreements coming from places outside of Era since Resetera is the only place where good people hang out.
I'll admit that I used to buy into the idea myself because NeoGAF/Era was pretty much the only place I frequented. But after I started becoming disillusioned with Era after starting to pay attention to the cracks I noticed that this was one of the most frequent things I saw in any contentious threads.
The constant othering of people outside the site as the unwashed and confused/racist masses. Everyone outside the site being a big Nazi/incel/white supremacist army waiting to pounce. So any kind of issue has them turning whoever they disagree with into the worst things imaginable so strawmanning arguments from people outside the site becomes very palatable since they don't deserve to be represented fairly after being smeared. Question this and you get banned and lumped into that group as well.
1. Snowflake.
2. Oversensitive moron
3. Incel
4. Nazi
5. White Supremacist.
Among other things. I think the reason they do this is because the recurring narrative I've seen around Resetera is that it's the only good place on the internet. Everywhere else is a festering wasteland of garbage.
In that case it becomes pretty easy to dismiss any and all criticisms or disagreements coming from places outside of Era since Resetera is the only place where good people hang out.
I'll admit that I used to buy into the idea myself because NeoGAF/Era was pretty much the only place I frequented. But after I started becoming disillusioned with Era after starting to pay attention to the cracks I noticed that this was one of the most frequent things I saw in any contentious threads.
The constant othering of people outside the site as the unwashed and confused/racist masses. Everyone outside the site being a big Nazi/incel/white supremacist army waiting to pounce. So any kind of issue has them turning whoever they disagree with into the worst things imaginable so strawmanning arguments from people outside the site becomes very palatable since they don't deserve to be represented fairly after being smeared. Question this and you get banned and lumped into that group as well.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
TL;DR version: Batshit insane.
It's a site founded on hate, in total bad faith. Don't mistake self-righteousness for decency, or virtue signaling for virtue.
KingdomHeartsFan
Member
Exactly what I said, all they did was admit to being wrong and bring even more attention to it. You have to be a special kind of retard to think this was the right path to take.So the dev for Brutal Doom has shared his 2 cents;
Ion Fury General Discussions :: Steam Community
Ion Fury - While Shelly “Bombshell” Harrison earned her codename defusing bombs for the Global Defense Force, when evil transhumanist mastermind Dr. Jadus Heskel unleashes the members of his cybernetic cult onto the streets of Neo DC, she knows it’s time to start causing explosions instead of...
In this realm this guy has the weight of a deity, surely. Dost thou dare banish him?
GHG
Gold Member
"Snowflake"? "Oversensitive"?
The very same words that once used to get you banned on that site? How ironic.
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GorillaChilla
Member
Only a few years ago televisions was censoring homosexuals out of shows. The people that saw that as wrong can’t seem to comprehend why other censorship is also wrong. People will say “it’s just a joke/texture” and not understand that censorship IS ALWAYS WRONG
Helios
Member
Like other have said. For them it was a lose-lose situation. I doubt they enjoyed having to pay 1k to a random charity. I'm guessing they were hoping that this outrage would be smaller than RE's. Don't forget that "journalists" were probably knocking on their door trying to get a response from them.
EightBit Man
Member
One commentator on the game's GOG page said it well:
TheSHEEEP
Gold Member
This is so sad.
I love the game, but I cannot in good conscience support this developer (and especially the publisher) any more. You do not cave in to pressure from the perpetually offended. You just don't.
Requested a refund (though I'm somewhat doubtful it will be granted as I have more than 2 hours in already).
I love the game, but I cannot in good conscience support this developer (and especially the publisher) any more. You do not cave in to pressure from the perpetually offended. You just don't.
Requested a refund (though I'm somewhat doubtful it will be granted as I have more than 2 hours in already).
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Katsura
Member
Oh is this one of those 'you're just as bad as them' type nonsense? Listen, i didn't demand they change something in their game. I'm not demanding they change it back either. I'm simply saying that i was close to buying it but i'm happy i decided to wait because outside review bombing, voting with our wallets is pretty much all we can do. If you think that's equally bad, then i don't know what to tell you because it's clearly not. Supporting a company that does this means the next company will have an easier time caving to the deranged people at RE. Why wouldn't they if people are going to buy their games anyway? It's funny because according to people defending them we can't review bomb, we can't abstain from buying their game and we can't state our unhappiness on the forums since they're deleting everything. What do you suggest we do then?
Two wrongs don't make a right, but after reading some of the more hyperbolic posts around here you'd think that half the game was cut into tiny little pieces or something. Instead, nothing of the sort has happened.
If there was some essential or at least important part of the game that had been changed as a result, perhaps some of this outrage would start to make rational sense. Instead, it's just a couple of stupid, unfunny and tasteless jokes that were removed. Objectively speaking, 99.9% of the game is exactly the same.
It's funny that the reaction to the reaction, so to speak, has become infinitely worse than what originally caused this.
If there was some essential or at least important part of the game that had been changed as a result, perhaps some of this outrage would start to make rational sense. Instead, it's just a couple of stupid, unfunny and tasteless jokes that were removed. Objectively speaking, 99.9% of the game is exactly the same.
It's funny that the reaction to the reaction, so to speak, has become infinitely worse than what originally caused this.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
"I'm simply saying that i was close to buying it but" but you choosing to not buy it based on THIS is no different then the other side not buying it based on the comments made earlier. Sorry but you are the other side of the same coin. No different then someone that states "I'm simply saying that i was close to buying it but saw some non pc jokes".
"we can't abstain from buying their game" ??? Never said you can't bud, but doing so puts you in the same ball park.
Crying over something a developer stated, making a choice to not buy something BASED ON THOSE WORDS and nothing else.
Its dumb when SJW use that to determine buying something as much as I might agree that somethings done in the industry can be offensive, no buying something based on that is just dumb.
Not sure why you thought being against them and doing the exact same thing would mean a different result or something.
Its dumb regardless of who does it. I was never going to buy this game because they apologized, would you not think it strange if I just up and told you I'm buying this game regardless of quality because they "stuck it to the alt right" or "defended da sjw" etc? Would that not sound very, very strange that ANYONE would take such a thing so seriously as to base them buying a product on if a developer supported their view or not? So doesn't matter. For or against, anyone basing to buy a game based on this just isn't that bright. I never understood it with SJW came on the scene, I don't understand it with anti-sjw just the same.... both are dumb....
"What do you suggest we do then?" Move on. Respect the apology and live life, not everything needs this damn type of reaction man, dear god you mad cause someone disagreed with you and apologized and now you are basing what you buy based on who supports or doesn't support your views..... I agree with them apologizing and I'm not even buying the game cause I don't spend my money based on those type of views. I'm not an extremist bud, I've NEVER bought junk based on some personal view. Once that gets crossed, you might as well be in the same bunch. Folks who are soooooo sensitive to anything, any comment can dictate what they buy, don't buy etc. NOTHING you say to me, about me, my faith, political ideology, gender etc will ever have me sooooo sensitive to have me start spending my own damn money differently because of it.
I'd argue THAT is what a overly sensitive person would do. Folks so emotionally unstable they can be baited into buying or not buying anything based on a few tweets. Doesn't sound rational to me bud.
I'd love to chat, but I'm going to have to add you to that ignore list, once someone is buying something or not based on if someone agrees with their view point or not, it too extremist for my taste.
H
hariseldon
Unconfirmed Member
You disingenuous fuck. That's utter crap and you know it. Resetera is never satisfied with an apology. It never had been and never will.
JimmyRustler
Member
You have a full 10 pages in this thread and you still don't realize that it's not about the removed content but about the devs bending the knee to the demands.
It's almost as if you don't want to understand what it's all about.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
100% of them? Every last member? Are you sure? Do have a link or some poll or anything confirming that? Keep in mind, the apology isn't only for that one site man. That would be like saying a company shouldn't apologize for something cause Hariseldon won't be satisfied....
I took a look at the thread on that site and many people are saying they are happy it was removed, they will buy the game, recommending it etc. Is that ALL the folks on that site? No, but you and I are not the only folks on this site.
That's silly, because it's letting an abstract sense of harm to your pride overrule all reasonable analysis of actual impact.
Complaining about "bending the knee"? What, did they forcefully convert people by the sword or something? Nope.
I've read a fair amount of the thread over the past few minutes. I am just finding this situation to be doubly ironic by now.
Initially, it was an overreaction to some dev comments. Now it's a bigger overreaction to an insignificant change.
Katsura
Member
Wait, so not buying a game because they caved to deranged people is extreme but typing out that wall of text only to end it with 'welcome to ignore' is not? You're acting exactly like those people are - when presented with a calm response debunking your nonsense, you label that person as some sort of -ist and then block them. I mean, it's your right and while i don't know you, judging from our brief interaction so far, i doubt it's a huge loss for me. However, given that you're arguing in bad faith, i'm not going to spend any more time addressing your false equivalency
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Ivory Blood
Member
Ion Fury and Voidpoint became metaphorical sacrificial lambs to both Reeera and normal people.
Of course it's rough that a good game is now nothing more than a hotly debated political point, but without this, the shit that followed it would have empowered those fucks to do even more. Give an inch take a mile and all that.
I think this will be a good wake up call to some people on the developers side of the industry. It clearly showed everyone who is really in the minority.
Also, when all's said and done, I hope we can finally return to playing and talking video games, instead of discussing Soldier 76's sexual orientation or pronouns of a fictional robot in a looter-shooter.
Of course it's rough that a good game is now nothing more than a hotly debated political point, but without this, the shit that followed it would have empowered those fucks to do even more. Give an inch take a mile and all that.
I think this will be a good wake up call to some people on the developers side of the industry. It clearly showed everyone who is really in the minority.
Also, when all's said and done, I hope we can finally return to playing and talking video games, instead of discussing Soldier 76's sexual orientation or pronouns of a fictional robot in a looter-shooter.
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JimmyRustler
Member
You think it's silly. Fair enough. Other people think otherwise. Is that so hard to accept?
We are just sick of these people taking influnce in gaming. And I'm really glad it's finally emerging people are sick of this shit. IIRC this is actually the first time a game gets review bombed and the respective forums being overflown by complaints. Up so far it was always only the other way around.
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Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Trust me, it's a blessing that he blocked you.
GHG
Gold Member
I'll try to explain this in the most simple way possible:
The primary message here is that it's not about the censorship, it's about listening to and responding to an unhinged vocal minority that resides on resetera. It sets a negative precedent for the industry which not only reinforces their behaviour but also gives them ammunition with which to further their agenda.
Don't feed the beast. Don't put them in the spotlight.
I am not going to be too shocked when the dust finally clears and it turns out that the majority of normal people who were interested still bought the game and aren't making a quasi-religious and/or existential crusade about it, in either direction.
Sure, I can accept that some people are taking this far too personally, as if their way of life were somehow threatened because a developer changed 0.01% of a game. But, objectively, it isn't. I don't think that's wise and, if anything, in the end all we have is this: two sides throwing tantrums for increasingly weaker reasons.