EverydayBeast
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My issue with all these info drops are none of them are on the box if you look at the history of console hype and speculation most of it is just thinking.
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[Digital Foundry] PlayStation 5/ Xbox Series X New GPU Spec Leak Analysis: 9.2TF vs 12TF?
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nowhat
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Again - did you see the videos/articles from Richard before One/PS4 were officially out, with some cross-platform games to test? How the CPU advantage and ESRAM one One would make up all of the difference, and the PS4 GPU was way overspecced for what it is, and besides, 8GB of GDDR5 is a pipe dream?
Google is your friend. They do exist. I'll wait for the official, tangible specs for both.
DeepEnigma
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I love it how the PlayStation fanboys tries to spin it around. If it was the other way they would've been gloating in this topic. Just like they did in that other Xbox vs PlayStation thread when they thought the XBox had less tera flops.
Holy shit, both sides do this.
mY fIrSt cOnSoLe wAr
Well, they're not gone but people are already invested in one eco-system. How am I going to play COD MW on my Xbox SEXY if the copy is on my PS4? The only thing that is going to be really different this cycle is resolution/framerate. Nobody is going to jump back and forth unless someone f's up.
Microsoft CEO: "I did not get why the world needed the third ecosystem in phones" - MSPoweruser
It’s no revelation that current Microsoft CEO was against the Nokia Mobile acquisition in 2013, but in his new autobiography, Nadella revealed his thoughts at the time, which I suspected also guided his subsequent actions when he replaced Steve Ballmer in 2014. In his book, Hit Refresh, he...
mspoweruser.com
“I did not get why the world needed the third ecosystem in phones unless we changed the rules … But it was too late to regain the ground we had lost. We were chasing our competitors’ taillights.”
The changing of the rules is an eco-system within each of the hardware platforms, of course, this won't really work in gaming but that is Nadella's take, same as their mobile strategy.
Microsoft doesn't care about selling hardware, and everyone knows it - dead man/woman walking like Windows Phone was. Its about services.
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Achillias
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Are you retarded. It sure is your first console war. That's why you are childish. Needs to grow up a bit.Holy shit, both sides do this.
mY fIrSt cOnSoLe wAr
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CatLady
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The leak goes mainstream now
I just think all these talk about PS5 being weaker and 9TFs is great to Sony... the chances to big surprises increases a lot.
PS5 and Xbox Series X GPU and Memory Specs Leak, Report Says - IGN
A new report from Digital Foundry (via Eurogamer) has shed some new light on what may be the GPU and memory specs of both next-gen consoles.www.ign.com
This is getting out of hand. These leaks have not totally convinced me PS5 will be 9.x TF, nor do I buy the PS5 14 TF claims from last week but I think there is too little to go on and too many possible variables push the PS5 9.x TF narrative so hard.
Makoto-Yuki
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I'm already sick of this fanboy war and it's not even 2020 yet.
I wish Sony would just tell us what the bloody TF is so people can STFU about it.
Who am I kidding?
I wish Sony would just tell us what the bloody TF is so people can STFU about it.
Who am I kidding?
There is no war, only Microsoft's attempt to retain customers as the continue to roll out services. End game, rent PC/Xbox in cloud, or streaming..... long way to go though.
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nowhat
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This assumes MS has told the bloody TF - and they haven't! We have some vague power comparisons. And also Spencer going about "Moore's law" and all that, which to me seems more like an admission of not expecting too much in terms of an arbitrary metric (which TF is). And we know no details of memory (type/amount), storage (beyond SSD), price, whatnot.
We know that the next Xbox is either "The Xbox" or has a stupid name, as always. We know that this time around, it indeed is a box. That's all we definitely know so far.
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Well, they're not gone but people are already invested in one eco-system. How am I going to play COD MW on my Xbox SEXY if the copy is on my PS4? The only thing that is going to be really different this cycle is resolution/framerate. Nobody is going to jump back and forth unless someone f's up.
Microsoft CEO: "I did not get why the world needed the third ecosystem in phones" - MSPoweruser
It’s no revelation that current Microsoft CEO was against the Nokia Mobile acquisition in 2013, but in his new autobiography, Nadella revealed his thoughts at the time, which I suspected also guided his subsequent actions when he replaced Steve Ballmer in 2014. In his book, Hit Refresh, he...mspoweruser.com
“I did not get why the world needed the third ecosystem in phones unless we changed the rules … But it was too late to regain the ground we had lost. We were chasing our competitors’ taillights.”
The changing of the rules is an eco-system within each of the hardware platforms, of course, this won't really work in gaming but that is Nadella's take, same as their mobile strategy.
Microsoft doesn't care about selling hardware, and everyone knows it - dead man/woman walking like Windows Phone was. Its about services.
How will it not work in gaming...they already are changing the rules with game pass.
Oh wait you you think game pass is the DEVIL.
How stupid of me.
DF does this all the time wtf are you talking about. They're VERY click bait now a days. I'm subscribed to them on youtube but refuse to give them any clicks until this season of the console war is over for the same reason baseless 'facts'.
Jigsaah
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So cryptic...i love it especially coming from a company.
DynamiteCop!
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But it is about percentages because this is less of a compute jump now then it was in both prior instances. We're merely getting into higher teraflop figures so a larger figure must be present to make up the gap.
There's no difference.
SleepDoctor
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Looks at the "likes" and the posteryup it fits lol. Completely being oblivious to other rumors to paint a narrative definitely is an art on here.
I'm glad Matt spoke up in the other forum to shut all tht bs down
Matt? What did he say?
DeepEnigma
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Are you retarded. It sure is your first console war. That's why you are childish. Needs to grow up a bit.
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Gamernyc78
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He said something along the lines tht the so called paper work ppl were basing the PS5 9 TF info was not indicitive of the PS5 hardware.
MilkyJoe
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This is my thinking as well. I do not think DF would do a video like this without being atleast 99.9999999% sure the leak is real.
Gamernyc78
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Last gen the leaks were bang on
Whi h is why I believe the PS5 is more powerful leaks coming from ppl in the industry like Matt, Reiner, etc
SleepDoctor
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I'd say we should make a thread with that but the shit slinging will just continue anyway lol
Ravi_elite
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they dont even have good games on the xbox one x (my opinion) so if they dont even have good games..whats the point
thelastword
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Not really, people will just back track defend and say leaking stuff and making videos about it is hard......The internet is so toxic for questioning their credibility, they can't deal with this etc.....
DF reported that Sea of thieves was 1080p on XBONES, Grid had better foliage and detail on XBONEX, NFS had better AO on XBONES.....They don't really need to confirm anything if it happens to be positive for the manufacturer who gave them the Scorpio reveal...…….
Psykodad
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Weren't you slinging shit about people saying the 9Tf speculations might not be true?
01011001
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It's not that big of a difference. a difference between a 9TF and 12TF RDNA gpu would mean that some games would run at a lower resolution maybe... or maybe some effects here and there would be altered.
I think people forget how it was back a few generations ago, where games had to be altered significantly to run on other systems, nowadays it's a difference of "Version A has a 20% higher dynamic resolution o average than Version B" or it's "Version A runs at an averaage of 59FPS and version B runs at an average of 54FPS"
and usually resolution differences are at least attempted to be covered up by developers through the use of TAA or other reconstruction methods.
so in the end you might get games that run at native 4k60 on Series X, and at 1800p60 reconstructed up to 4k on PS5, which would result in the PS5 version looking slightly more blurry.
it most likely wouldn't even be on the scale of difference between some PS4pro and One X versions.
SleepDoctor
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Ive been laughing at fanboys on both sides..... of course you only hit the like button when its towards the xbox fanboys tho.
Find me a comment shitting on either system..... don't worry I'll wait.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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40 CUs at 2GHz would get them around 10.24 TFs tho, not 12-13. That would require a much bigger GPU (and therefore, a much bigger APU).
I do agree that maybe if the 36 CU info is legit, they might have activated two extra CUs so only 2 are deactivated. That would be 9.728 TFs at 2GHz. Theoretically they could push all 40, but that might be running into potential heating issues (and potential yield issues too).
Could they be doing something crazy and pushing clocks to, say, 2.5GHz? Dunno; I don't know what the limits for that are with Navi. But 36 CUs at 2.5GHz gives them 11.52 TFs; 38 at same frequency gives them 12.16 TFs. But for all we know anything above 2GHz is possibly not even technically possible on Navi RDNA1. RDNA2, I don't know, but for what we know neither system is full-on RDNA2.
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On the topic of DF...I understand some have their reservations, but where are the reservations for Wired when it comes to these PS5 interviews? Sony seems very happy giving Wired that level of access, likely much to the chagrin of everyone else. If DF's reporting can be (possibly) biased thanks to MS influence (which I consider ridiculous speculation), can not Wired's reporting into the future for PS5 be considered biased since Sony came to them with first solid details on PS5 (which I would also consider equally ridiculous speculation if and when it happens)?
Nobody seems to be applying this standard of expectation and speculation on "compromised credibility" equally....that tells me a lot of what I need to know tbh xD.
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Psykodad
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Shitposting is shitposting. Just making an observation.
Just think it's ironic, is all.
FYI if you wouldn't be so occupied with my likes, you would notice me criticizing Sony and praising MS-related stuff too every now and then.
Anyway, a thread about the 9Tf apparently being debunked would be a good idea.
At least we can agree on that.
SleepDoctor
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How many "warnings" does he get? Gave him one in another thread yesterday too and he kept posting in that thread as well.
Clearly not adding anything to either thread.
ShadowWolf712
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I'm sure this thread will be sensible and not full of pure fanboyism and arguing over nothi-
nvm lol
Nah but at least they're being open about this being unconfirmed as the console specs and the lack of context. More than some sites have been.
nvm lol
Nah but at least they're being open about this being unconfirmed as the console specs and the lack of context. More than some sites have been.
01011001
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It will get worse when the final specs are out, then the arguing about if specs matter and if there might be some secret sauce yet to be unveil begins if one system turns out to be slightly better
we have been there and here we are again! Wasn't there some speculation about a hidden chip inside the Xbox One or something? so enjoy it while it lasts! this is the calm before the storm.
which is a weird sight on a forum you would expect being populated by enthusiasts who will get both systems in the end anyways.
Every time Digital Foundry calls your console a BEAST
lol
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01011001
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but... what will you do if it turns out to be correct? and again, I think people blow that difference out of proportion especially if the Series X targets a $600 price point which Sony would never do again and might prove to be a bad gamble on Microsoft's part.
Elenchus
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DF routinely analyzes game trailers for frame rates and resolution long before the game is completed and I don’t recall ever hearing you or GAF complain.
DF conducting an analysis with less than all the information or before the product goes gold is nothing new.
Not sure why there is so much outrage—particularly given the repeated disclaimer that this should be taken with a pinch of salt.
Just sounds like good old fashioned thread whining to me.
DynamiteCop!
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
I don't know if they know its real but they at least can say that their sources have heard something similar.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
No idea what you're getting at. So they made mistakes? It happens.
I never said that it's true all I said was they don't normally run a story unless they confirm it with their sources as well. Doesn't mean it's true just means that they have enough confirmation they think it's plausable.
Gamernyc78
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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You're letting your emotions irrationally dictate your judgement. A clear-minded person in this may not believe what they say is 100% on the money, but they would be a fool to completely dismiss it, either. Always weigh your options and test them against each other. It doesn't have to get personal.
JareBear: Remastered
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I think Sony will push devs to target native 4k and settle for 30fps or 45ish uncapped with VRR support in those cases.
DeepEnigma
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thelastword
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This is basically an AD for Series X......
Yet nothing official has been stipulated......You have already made your mind only means it's what you want to see happen as opposed to it being reality....
Power is great, especially if you have great devs…….I'd want more power in th ehands of the best devs in the industry....ND, Guerilla, Santa Monica, Astro team, Insomniac, Poliphony Digital, Sucker Punch, San Diego etc....
How about plusses like "TV TV TV", Snap other apps, Skype, XBOX Kinect, all great reasons to purchase the most balanced console...…."XBONES is the ultimate media center device and it will take over the living room"...…..Ohhhhh, the games??? Don't worry about that......1080 - 900P is negligible at best, you get the same experience, even if PS4 has a 15fps advantage and better effects.....Ohh did we mention Halo 5 is the best looking 720p game we've ever seen?
Quite the contrary, right there at launch in 2013...….HBAO on Need For Speed Rivals on PS4 is said to be inferior to SSAO on XBONES, till the dev pitched in and corrected them...…...COD Ghosts run faster on PS4, it even exceeded 60fps and therefore was causing some mild stutter, they went on to declare XBONES as running faster......So quick to denounce any issue on PS4 as superior XBONES performance...….GTA, AC UNITY, Witcher run better on S at launch because of the better XBONES CPU, till GTA was patched to prove that wrong, AC and Ubi games early on were particularly dumbed down as verified by a Ubi dev and Witcher was a mess on PS4 with MS marketing...….Funny enough after Ubi was exposed, all ubi games run fine on PS4 and even better in CPU bound scenarios, FC4 by NXGAMER is a big eye opener......There are countless examples of funny stuff before the XBONEX debuted in 2017......
Never forget the article by DF "Does resolution matter"…….It surely mattered to them in November 2017...…..There was nothing negligible in their faceoffs on resolution, even when PRO had the framerate advantage on many games...….
What evidence? Rumors about PS by dataminers and MS parties? You are so enthused to support these guys and their message, but when Cerny says PS has hardware raytracing, people are skeptical, devs say PS is more powerful because they have actual devkits, but no, lets listen to dataminers and Penello instead.....Is this logical?
It's no more credible because DF enters the rumormill spill...….It would only be credible if Sony releases specs via Wired right now that is similar to said rumors.....
There's going to be lots dejected and wounded souls when this turns out to be false...….
And yet, you seem to have an attachment in every thread to those attached to their pieces of plastic.....Are you an emotional plastic chaser stalker cop?
Even an ex MS employee who defended Crackdown 3 and Anthem so much on twitter, because he wanted these games and their hype to propel XBOX has seen; this just does not work......He sounds like a free guy, who can finally cleanse his palate from mountains of forced PR and hype without delivery....
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Nah, the 1X already does some games in native 4k/60 and even if this leak is true, the PS5 will be much more powerful than the 1X and should be fully capable of 4k/60.
01011001
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that's a really weird statement...
not every game is the same you know?
there is no way a game with extremely high quality next gen graphics and raytracing will be guaranteed to run at 4K60fps for example.
of course they could run current gen games at 4k60 easily, but that's not what next gen games will look like, people expect way higher levels of detail and developers will push for that, so don't be surprised when it turns out the Series X will be a 12TF monster and you'll still get games that are 4k30fps on it... because it will happen.
some developers don't give a shit about framerate, freaking Insomniac literally said they are not interested in targeting 60fps anymore because they don't see any financial reason to do so.
so they push graphics as much as they can while targeting 30fps
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Jigsaah
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Bro...why can't you quote one or two people in one post?
thelastword
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Just read the part where I quoted you...….
Afro Republican
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As someone who has seen both dev kits, the gap between the two consoles won't be that insanely larger, I can't add anything more to that statement, believe it or not.
But if you decided to believe such a gap would exist you will be sorely disappointed (or if you're a fanboy and you're scared and panicking under a table you can relax.)
But if you decided to believe such a gap would exist you will be sorely disappointed (or if you're a fanboy and you're scared and panicking under a table you can relax.)
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