TBiddy
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The first one is about 13 dB louder. And so is the second one, actually.
Try again.
Generally speaking, an increase of 10 dB is "twice as loud". Do the math.
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The first one is about 13 dB louder. And so is the second one, actually.
Try again.
Generally speaking, an increase of 10 dB is "twice as loud". Do the math.
TeamGhobad
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he probably doesn't like XSX because it uses too much power and its bad for the environment...yep this is how soyboys think. somebody should tell him that the witness ran in 20fps on xbox one (origina).
The most interesting is this statement but he deleted it
Differences and secret sauce are pretty typical for consoles they usually don't amount to too much.
Aceofspades
Banned
I don't have to, I proved that XsX is just a brick slapped together in a very safe and lazy manner. It can be way smaller if MS wanted or could.
Ar¢tos
Member
It's a simple basic design that works. Can be placed anywhere in a house division without being ugly, but it's not flashy either.What MS has done is simply safe and Lazy design. There are gaming laptops that packs more grunt while being slim and quiet. I fucking laugh everytime someone say that XsX cannot be designed other way because of its power
Some people like to show off their tech and this design might not be for them.
Sony might do a crazy flashy looking console, but I expect another basic black box.
Reindeer
Member
Is that secret sauce mounting SSD on top of GPU? Spencer talked about doing something like this.The most interesting is this statement but he deleted it
TBiddy
Member
No you didn't. You presented two hilarously expensive and extremely loud laptops and used them to argue, that the XSX is poorly designed.
Tell me again. What is your experience when it comes to designing hardware?
Evilms
Banned
But the xbox fanboys told us that ''next generation RDNA architecture'' means ''RDNA 2'' 100% !
I don't understand anything anymore.
TeamGhobad
Banned
Next generation is RNDA it not Next generation OF RDNA...see the difference.
is that why he broke our hearts with no RDNA 2.0?
you're a better poster than this
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TLZ
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I have a lot of PS discs. If this turns out true I'd be in BC heaven.
SportsFan581
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LOL, I hope that it's understood that everything associated with these boxes is designed to be as good as it can be @ price X. Comparing these to technology priced significantly higher that run in much lower power envelopes and are not as powerful, yikes!
In regards to the dev talk, the only negativity towards X is from devs that clearly have a Sony bias. The whole all Xbox SX games are playable on Xbone thing is just a case of poor reading comprehension. Though, I do expect Xcloud to be ready and available across the entire ecosystem prior to launch of next gen, which will, of course, bring the entire generation to that platform as well. There will be some cross-gen at the start, but don't expect it to continue.
In regards to the dev talk, the only negativity towards X is from devs that clearly have a Sony bias. The whole all Xbox SX games are playable on Xbone thing is just a case of poor reading comprehension. Though, I do expect Xcloud to be ready and available across the entire ecosystem prior to launch of next gen, which will, of course, bring the entire generation to that platform as well. There will be some cross-gen at the start, but don't expect it to continue.
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7nm+ is just the process they are manufactured on that is not a feature. If Sony and MS are using the new TMUs with the intersection and traversal engine and tweaked CUs to schedule the RT calls plus VRS they are RDNA2 or next generation Rdna just custom versions to meet their needs. To say otherwise would be just semantics. What else would there be from Rdna2 they are missing that is fundamental? They will have had all the building blocks to make a custom rdna2/next generation rdna available to them just on different manufacturing process. Not like the next generation rdna2 was way out in the future they will be out 6 months before launch of the consoles.
TeamGhobad
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IPC gains
SportsFan581
Member
We don't know specifically what features create the IPC gains and whether or not those are a part of MS and Sony's silicone. It isn't like AMD takes a magic wand and says "let there be greater IPC".
Which will likely come from the new tweaked CUs,TMUs or other areas added for the ray ray tracing.
The raytracing in the AMD patent is a new fixed function unit in the TMU. It doesn't require IPC gains.
Thedtrain
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When did they start doing that?
Evilms
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vpance
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Maybe so for MS, but let's wait and see for Sony.
As we know from Osiris, MS is already capable of producing retail ready units. Going 7nm RDNA might let them get a better timeline and yield on chips. Have to remember they're making 2 SKUs.
ANIMAL1975
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^I have the latest devkits.
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I think you have been played...
TeamGhobad
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ok so how many tflops does the ps5 have now?
Agnostic2020
Member
My doubt is based on an exchange mod of war had with heisenberg which semed to me they had private interactions
ManaByte
Member
Over 9000
Agnostic2020
Member
Last time around we got the leaked specs by hacking platform holders in summer of 2012 .tbis time it has been shit.whenever we get somewhere someone presses reset button lol
it_wasn't_me
Banned
You guys believe in github data? So....
CyberPanda
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That tweet is in reference to the fake Navi12 ID, which is not related to PS5 at all. Also, Komachi rarely talks about consoles, though. And, Komachi and ro generally talk about pc leaks for the most part.
pawel86ck
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Not according to AMD chart. They have wrote clear distinction: RDNA is shader based RT, while next gen RDNA is HW RT.
Now look what Phil Has said:
Phil Spencer always say Xbox Scarlett is "next gen RDNA", not just RDNA.
Reindeer
Member
Or you could interpret that as RDNA being next generation in comparison to current architecture.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
This simply means RDNA with pieces added from 2 but not full blown 2.
My take anyhow
Agnostic2020
Member
This simply means RDNA with pieces added from 2 but not full blown 2.
My take anyhow
I m watching you heisenberg. U have all the answers and the formulas (for meth and next gen )
Evilms
Banned
Console or not, Eurogamer's recent article by Digital Foundry was based on this same leak.
And 9.2 Tflops contradicts the claims of jason schreier, klee and other insiders.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
As we have learned today Digital Foundrys article on said leak was probably based on fake info.
TheStruggler
Report me for trolling ND/TLoU2 threads
Anyone have any new information or we still in a circle jerk guessing while everyone jerks off to teraflop?
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Hellgardia
Member
You pretty much nailed it there.
mckmas8808
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WOW! Never knew this. Then I have every reason to believe the DS5 will be usable on the PS4 then.
It might be but not because of this fake navi 12 ID. Fake IDs have nothing to do with github test data files. And as you can see, the fake IDs can be indicated.
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ANIMAL1975
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Yes, that was my first thought too , i saw the posts few days back, but then got triggered byMy doubt is based on an exchange mod of war had with heisenberg which semed to me they had private interactions
TLZ
fast agreed with you, being a #Team14.2 mate!... and i remembered a vague post he made way back last year, in this thread i think (couldn't find it unfortunately) about 18.4 TFs! The github leak has both Ariel and Oberon, both 9.2tf, and both tested at the same time! Too many coincidence that made me dig up his post history, et voila...
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Nothing hardware-wise will prevent either system from targeting either of the opposite framerates and resolution you just listed, it ALWAYS comes down to what the developers want to prioritize: super-pretty graphics, or rock-solid 60 fps.
Doesn't seem like it's them. They haven't said anything that someone else couldn't guessimate or put together by looking through public information (even if you have to track that info down).
Basically nothing from them's seemed "insider" quality. But that goes for the vast majority of us, nothing wrong with that.
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Reindeer
Member
Damn, these guys are basically betting their reputation on this whole thing. Imagine if they're wrong, they'll probably have to disappear for good.
Nickolaidas
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Its safe to come down off that fence.
TeamGhobad
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klee is not an insider but has insider info that could be old. for a 399 price points 9.2 makes sense. you cant get 13 tflops with 399 aint happening.
only concrete evidence we have is github and it says 12, phil says 12, early leakers say 12. its 12. and 9.2 makes sense for ps5.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Phil never says 12 he implies it, remember this.
TeamGhobad
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he said 2x he X = 12. if we are to believe a teraflop is a teraflop. infact the ONLY solid info we have about nextgen consoles is that xbox is 12 teraflops.
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